Starseeker said:
Sadly I do...
LOOK AT THE JIGGLY BOOBIES!
and yet it sold more copies than Psychonauts did... what an age we live in!
Fallout 3, who is this for?
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Sadly I do...
LOOK AT THE JIGGLY BOOBIES!
and yet it sold more copies than Psychonauts did... what an age we live in!
Wasn't the DoA commercial for the XBox the one where the boobs moved not only in defiance of the normal laws of gravity and physics, but also completely independant of each other?
Weird stuff, that
On the topic of "other games", I get depressed whenever I read about Starcraft II:
Weird stuff, that
On the topic of "other games", I get depressed whenever I read about Starcraft II:
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
But in Fallout you can't have a job and a house and live in a FPP 3d worldGaldred said:
. That's why Fallout is "obsolete".
Isn't this what YouTube is for? DoA Volleyball 1 and DoA Vollyball 2, it is much worse in the second. The very first scene with a girl in the second, she only stretches her arms and it sets off an entire flurry of bouncing.
"Hell, it's about time." Someone mentioned it earlier, but it seems like Fallout 3 and Starcraft II are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
"Hell, it's about time." Someone mentioned it earlier, but it seems like Fallout 3 and Starcraft II are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
Tannhauser said:
Tannhauser said:
Yes. Betcha Starcraft II'll sell better than Starcraft I while Fallout 3 won't sell more than Oblivion (maybe sell faster because it releases on all 3 simultaneously, tho').
Slicerdicer
First time out of the vault
Brother None said:
It's too bad Bethesda didn't do FINO:3 like Blizzard is doing StarCraftII. Just update some graphics and add a little here and there but otherwise leave it the fuck alone. Good job Blizzard that's the right way to a sequel. 8)
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Damn these comparisons....again.
While Starcraft 2 is being made by the same company that made the first one, probably even most of the team, as is the lead developer, Fallout 3 is being made by a totally different game studio, company and publisher than it's predecessors.
First it was race sim Fallout and soccer Halo, now it's this. Honestly. When will people understand that Bethesda is just making oblivion with guns, is beyond me...they lack talent, wit, ingenuity, imagination, writing skills but they don't want to make a golf 3d adventure. Next you'll compare FINO3 with Logitech keybords and Blink 182 music videos.
While Starcraft 2 is being made by the same company that made the first one, probably even most of the team, as is the lead developer, Fallout 3 is being made by a totally different game studio, company and publisher than it's predecessors.
First it was race sim Fallout and soccer Halo, now it's this. Honestly. When will people understand that Bethesda is just making oblivion with guns, is beyond me...they lack talent, wit, ingenuity, imagination, writing skills but they don't want to make a golf 3d adventure. Next you'll compare FINO3 with Logitech keybords and Blink 182 music videos.
What i don't get is, why spending Millions for Fallout to aim for 'teenagers' and telling to make it rated m...
I mean sure, the controls aren't that good, but aren't they somehow cutting their target audience?
But okay, maybe it will get rated Teen... who knows...
Rememering the old times when gameplay was the biggest part of a game (and also should have been until today), i'm happy to see that there are companys making money out of their old game licences or staying true to game licences they bought.
Speedball 2 will get a remake, and what i heard from the developers is that they will add 2 gamemodes. One aiming for more or less the exact old gameplay (1 button - baby!) and another for improved old gameplay, namely more movements.
Sid Meier's Civilization is still selling good i think (anyone else as me didn't get through the unskipable intro of CIV 1, when you played it the first time?) and also are Sid Meier's other games (Pirates/Railroads).
Or like Jazz Hired Guns (wich is/was at first produced to be a Jagged Alliance sequel, and wich still seems to have kept the core gameplay)..
So it's a shame that Beth isn't going that way (nearly saying we had to move on...), but also claim to be great fans of Fallout
On another note, please stop bashing all about consoles. Consoles are a good thing. As there are cool games for them. And they also have a lot of 'inovative' games, nobody was doing for computer.
Just thing about eye-toy; Guitar hero and so on.
But yeah, i'm playing console, when i want the quick fun. And i start playing on the computer, when i want some complex gaming (while i'm sure you get both on computer and console).
Strategy games on a console? - Sure notthing for me.
Shooter on a console? - Damn where's my mouse?
Beat'em'up on a Computer - nah, there aren't any?
Jump and Runs? - clearly console
RPG's? - It's devided, if i'm only looking for a nice story i would go for japano rpg's compared to Suikoden most of the computer RPG's stories looks like shit (yeah, that includes fallout for me...), but thats because i can't change the story but just play through it.
If i go for gameplay, and complexe decisions i would go for computer RPG's (i mean not Suikoden nor Final Fantasy's combat can beat something like old Amberstars or Fallouts or .....).
and so on and so on...
It isn't all about 'console sucks' and 'all console gamers want cheap fun', because there's nothing like cheap fun...
Sure, there might be a lot more 'kiddies' on the console market, but that's mainly because they don't want to get into the 'complex computer 'thingie'' or their parents don't want to spend 1000€ for a computer just that someone can play the newest game..
But hey, i recently saw a documentation about 'gaming addiction', and they showed a counter-strike gamer on a lan, wich computer had some error (colors off, his friends speaking about a virus). So he didn't tried to repair his computer, or get a new graphic card ... no he just bought a new computer for around 1200€.
So talking about 'stupid' people.... they are everywhere!
After initial anoyance i'm now getting some morbid interest in seeing on what else beth will miss Fallout ...
I mean sure, the controls aren't that good, but aren't they somehow cutting their target audience?
But okay, maybe it will get rated Teen... who knows...
Rememering the old times when gameplay was the biggest part of a game (and also should have been until today), i'm happy to see that there are companys making money out of their old game licences or staying true to game licences they bought.
Speedball 2 will get a remake, and what i heard from the developers is that they will add 2 gamemodes. One aiming for more or less the exact old gameplay (1 button - baby!) and another for improved old gameplay, namely more movements.
Sid Meier's Civilization is still selling good i think (anyone else as me didn't get through the unskipable intro of CIV 1, when you played it the first time?) and also are Sid Meier's other games (Pirates/Railroads).
Or like Jazz Hired Guns (wich is/was at first produced to be a Jagged Alliance sequel, and wich still seems to have kept the core gameplay)..
So it's a shame that Beth isn't going that way (nearly saying we had to move on...), but also claim to be great fans of Fallout
On another note, please stop bashing all about consoles. Consoles are a good thing. As there are cool games for them. And they also have a lot of 'inovative' games, nobody was doing for computer.
Just thing about eye-toy; Guitar hero and so on.
But yeah, i'm playing console, when i want the quick fun. And i start playing on the computer, when i want some complex gaming (while i'm sure you get both on computer and console).
Strategy games on a console? - Sure notthing for me.
Shooter on a console? - Damn where's my mouse?
Beat'em'up on a Computer - nah, there aren't any?
Jump and Runs? - clearly console
RPG's? - It's devided, if i'm only looking for a nice story i would go for japano rpg's compared to Suikoden most of the computer RPG's stories looks like shit (yeah, that includes fallout for me...), but thats because i can't change the story but just play through it.
If i go for gameplay, and complexe decisions i would go for computer RPG's (i mean not Suikoden nor Final Fantasy's combat can beat something like old Amberstars or Fallouts or .....).
and so on and so on...
It isn't all about 'console sucks' and 'all console gamers want cheap fun', because there's nothing like cheap fun...
Sure, there might be a lot more 'kiddies' on the console market, but that's mainly because they don't want to get into the 'complex computer 'thingie'' or their parents don't want to spend 1000€ for a computer just that someone can play the newest game..
But hey, i recently saw a documentation about 'gaming addiction', and they showed a counter-strike gamer on a lan, wich computer had some error (colors off, his friends speaking about a virus). So he didn't tried to repair his computer, or get a new graphic card ... no he just bought a new computer for around 1200€.
So talking about 'stupid' people.... they are everywhere!
After initial anoyance i'm now getting some morbid interest in seeing on what else beth will miss Fallout ...
Not quite, from what I know, they are reading this article at Bethesda.
TheLonelyWastelandOrc
First time out of the vault
On humour:
„G.E.C.K. - just add water!“ that tickles
„G.O.A.T.“ - rright..
guns, guns.. the BB Gun? „You'll shoot your eye out!“
The Fatman - could be a good one, if it doesn't turn out to be a Duke Nukem style catapult.
„G.E.C.K. - just add water!“ that tickles
„G.O.A.T.“ - rright..
guns, guns.. the BB Gun? „You'll shoot your eye out!“
The Fatman - could be a good one, if it doesn't turn out to be a Duke Nukem style catapult.
I have a theory. It goes something like this..
Go Fallout 3D!!! BOOM HEADSHOT! BOOM HEADSHOT!
Critical hit in head for 5 gazillion points. LOL level up! keke^^
I poon yu noob mutunt Besesda make good game I level up 8500 nowf omg plasma rifle of doom +10 no good now!
Bethesda is trying to attract "that" crowd. The WOW and CS players. Oh the horror!
Go Fallout 3D!!! BOOM HEADSHOT! BOOM HEADSHOT!
Critical hit in head for 5 gazillion points. LOL level up! keke^^
I poon yu noob mutunt Besesda make good game I level up 8500 nowf omg plasma rifle of doom +10 no good now!
Bethesda is trying to attract "that" crowd. The WOW and CS players. Oh the horror!
quietfanatic
Ancient One
I could believe that Bethesda is working on Fallout partially as a selfish pride thing, hoping they can do a good job with an important franchise they like. You can be a fan of something for different reasons, and it doesn't ensure that you automatically understand it. We could have the unfortunate situation where they are fans just enough to want the license, but not enough to decide not to buy it, or do it properly. If I was a cashed up games developer, I might attempt to design a Fallout sequel, but that doesn't mean I would know how to do it or would be able to pull it off. On the other hand, I would do proper research and take notice of the fans (maybe they will, but I doubt it).
Unfortunately, I would agree that it would probably sell very well to a mainstream audience as a shallow sandbox RPG with the added novelty of the Fallout setting. They might find the idea of Oblivion: Mad Max, quite appealing, even if it is very different. I was hooked on Fallout 2 first by the atmosphere alone, before seeing the mechanics soon after, leading to my uninvited continual stay at my friend's house.
There seems to be a pattern that if they make up something irrational, that counts as a dark joke (when obviously it just doesn't work).
CS players wouldn't be attracted to it (the term is 'pone' according to my friends in the computer science department) as they couldn't get their headshots. If they could, Bethsoft would be critically failing, hitting themselves in the groin for... An action RPG is still not a proper FPS.
Unfortunately, I would agree that it would probably sell very well to a mainstream audience as a shallow sandbox RPG with the added novelty of the Fallout setting. They might find the idea of Oblivion: Mad Max, quite appealing, even if it is very different. I was hooked on Fallout 2 first by the atmosphere alone, before seeing the mechanics soon after, leading to my uninvited continual stay at my friend's house.
There seems to be a pattern that if they make up something irrational, that counts as a dark joke (when obviously it just doesn't work).
CS players wouldn't be attracted to it (the term is 'pone' according to my friends in the computer science department) as they couldn't get their headshots. If they could, Bethsoft would be critically failing, hitting themselves in the groin for... An action RPG is still not a proper FPS.
Autoduel76
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
requiem_for_a_starfury said:
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not so sure it matters.
In my opinion, the bottom is is that as many times as I've seen fan outcries on the web, I've never seen a game that got good review scores from major outlets fail because of that outcry.
I think if there is going to be any kind of grass roots attempt against Fallout 3's success, it will have to be aimed less at Bethesda's web site and less, even, at word of mouth and more at convincing the mainstream gaming media to give it poor reviews.
Games like Shadowrun (I don't know how well its selling), Pool of Radiance and Fallout BOS got poor reviews from the major sites and that's why they didn't sell particularly well. Other games, like Neverwinter Nights and Lord of the Rings Online, got reviewed well despite the outcries of the original fans of the licenses when the games were in development and sold well.
Autoduel76 said:
What's "good reviews", exactly? Fallout: BoS got a 7.3 on Gamespot, a 7.5 on IGN and Gamespy (those being the three biggest gaming sites out there, to my knowledge), an 8.0 on Game Informer (biggest US gaming mag) and Maxim Online, an 8.2 on the Official XBox Magazine (biggest XBox gaming mag) and an 8.3 on Play Magazine. Are those not major outlets? Am I confused?
You're behind on the times, Autoduel, the times when the gaming media, or any media, could dominate opinion-making on a product are long since gone. Welcome to Era 2.0!
Autoduel76
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Brother None said:
I never said they dominate opinion making, but they do play a huge role in driving sales. Plus I really wouldn't call scores of 7.5 or 7.3 anything other than poor. Do you ever read reviews on those sites? Those are, most definitely, poor scores as far as any serious gamer is concerned.
welsh
Junkmaster
Fallout 3 = Cluster Fuck
Autoduel76 said:
It's amusing how whenever you release a snake in the grass, he always tries to crawl out the same way.
And yes, you said we should focus on reviews, hence implying reviews dominate opinion making. Which is naive, at best.
Here's a wiki article on Shadowrun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(2007_video_game)
It mentions that the game got poor reviews but was applauded for its gameplay. Here's a Shadowrun fansite
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/
If I were a Shadowrun fan, and by that I mean, fan of the universe, I would be be
or 
with what M$ did
to the universe - an FPS with trolls?? and dwarfs?? (I only got a chance to look very briefly at the shadowrun website linked above so there could be dwarfs and trolls in the universe - but somehow- I doubt it....).
And yes, welcome to the web era 2.0 --- where the fans can break or make a game.
On the issue/subjects of scores, a 7.5 is still fair and it was the hallmark of a fairly good make - way back in 2001 or 2002. Today, though, a 7.5 score is a -meh- -bland- game, not worth picking up.
Only games that gets a score over 8.8. or 9.2 is worth picking up.
If I adheared to that I wouldn't have played some very great games, like Keepsake, an adventure/puzzle game or some other games that got reviews of 7.5 (or so) but still were fun for me to play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(2007_video_game)
It mentions that the game got poor reviews but was applauded for its gameplay. Here's a Shadowrun fansite
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/
If I were a Shadowrun fan, and by that I mean, fan of the universe, I would be be
or with what M$ did to the universe - an FPS with trolls?? and dwarfs?? (I only got a chance to look very briefly at the shadowrun website linked above so there could be dwarfs and trolls in the universe - but somehow- I doubt it....).
And yes, welcome to the web era 2.0 --- where the fans can break or make a game.
On the issue/subjects of scores, a 7.5 is still fair and it was the hallmark of a fairly good make - way back in 2001 or 2002. Today, though, a 7.5 score is a -meh- -bland- game, not worth picking up.
Only games that gets a score over 8.8. or 9.2 is worth picking up.
If I adheared to that I wouldn't have played some very great games, like Keepsake, an adventure/puzzle game or some other games that got reviews of 7.5 (or so) but still were fun for me to play.
Autoduel76
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Brother None said:
Until any game, with a 90+% average, like Oblivion gets poor sales because of a fan backlash, I'd say thinking that it isn't is naive at best..
I will make you any kind of bet that you want, that if Fallout 3's average ranking is over 90% (Oblivion was 93% PC & 94% Xbox) that it will outsell Oblivion.
But yes, I'm a "snake in the grass" for being more receptive to Fallout 3 than popular here.