Fallout 4 gameplay videos leaked, Bethesda starts taking them down

[Battlecross]

I remember someone saying Diamond City didn't look to have any farms...when it has multiple that aren't hard to see plus indoor growing areas.

 

[Battlecross]

You wouldn't pay 60 bucks for a game you play for months? That's some seriously insane gamer entitlement shit right there.

Are you seriously using entitlement as an argument, and even worst, you're using it as a negative? What a joke.

Uh when you believe you're owed things and act entitled, why would that be a good thing exactly?

That's nice, then don't buy it. But don't tell me you're going to buy a new Triple A game and have it give you months of play and that isn't worth $60


Yo Mr. WhiteKnight Morality Guy,
I won't play it for months IF I even bother to play it.
It's NOT worth $60.00 not even $30.00 you're totally delusional IF you actually believe it is.
Oh, I already downloaded it and can play it for FREE.......... U mad??

You sound as stupid as that FuckPNutz kid on here.

What? Why the fuck would I care if you pirate it? Do none of you read? It's like an epidemic here. Mindless emotional nonsense.

 

[FearMonkey]

I waited on New Vegas to be on sale simply because

A) I don't pay for $60 PC games when the console game also costs $60. It used to be that the PC version was $50 and the console game was $60. This is because the console platform holders, i.e. Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony charge a license fee to the game publishers for allowing them to put a game on their system. There is no platform holder on the PC so that $10 was the reason the console games cost more. But now they expect PC gamers to pay the same price as the console versions. That means that when you buy a $60 PC game, you are helping the publisher offset the cost of the license fee of the console versions. That's bullshit. Fuck that bullshit up its fucking ass.

B) Obsidian or no, I still don't want to pay for DLC separately. I'd much rather wait for a GOTY Edition with all DLC included for the same or cheaper than the original game without DLC. I'm patient. I can wait. Also, Steam sales rule.

QED

 

[TorontoReign]

I remember someone saying Diamond City didn't look to have any farms...when it has multiple that aren't hard to see plus indoor growing areas.

In cases like this it is good to be wrong. I've heard word they have orchards which is cool. With the farming mechanic it gives them a little wiggle room in that department anyway.

 

[Battlecross]

You wouldn't pay 60 bucks for a game you play for months? That's some seriously insane gamer entitlement shit right there.

I don't really get this argument. I mean, if I really wanted to I could afford to pay $60 for Fallout 4, sure. I could also wait ~18 months and buy the complete edition for ~$40 or wait ~24 months and get it for ~$25. I have enough games to play in the meantime that I'm not really losing out on much aside from "participating in the games culture zeitgeist" (something I care very little about), so it's just a rational decision to hold off from where I sit.

I mean, I could pay $10 for a movie ticket, or I could get one for $5 during the Sunday morning matinee... It's not that I can't afford a $10 movie ticket, it's that I see no reason to pay $10 when I could just as easily get it for half the price.

I made that same statement already and I think that waiting is fine.

 

[Walpknut]

I stated in my initial report that I was indeed wrong with Diamond City and that they have orchards.

What is dumb now is that there is a dude in Diamond City that needs paint.... and the mission sends me to another raider infested ruin because apparently the motherfucker can't make paint himself and he needs prewar paint or something. Of course.

 

[whirlingdervish]

At this point I'm just trying to understand what the central part of his point is supposed to be..

Is it the "months" part?
Is harping on the relative and unqualified quantity important for some reason?

To me "months" is a pretty small quantity and it doesn't carry any real weight as a point, compared to something like quality or enjoyability.
Any game that I only played for a few months would be considered a fleeting experience.

Every game that I love playing I have literally played for YEARS.

I still play Fallout and Quake, and I didn't pay 60 dollars for either one back in the late 90s.

You're desperately trying to not understand here and tons of games cost anywhere from 40-100 dollars back then. If you get months of play and enjoyment (and if you dislike it why are you playing it for months?) out of it, $60 is nothing. For fucks sake if I go to the movies and get popcorn and soda with my wife it's $30+ for a 1.5 hour experience. Or I can wait till it's on blu ray, pay 20 and watch it as many times as I want. But your comparisons are terrible and you know it. Games that have 6 hour campaigns can cost $60 and months of play isn't worth it for that? Makes no god damn sense.

You continue to ignore the fact that months of play is not the same thing as months of enjoyment.
Nobody said they'd be getting months of enjoyment from it, just that it would take them months to play it all.

If, for example, you thought that movie you mention sucked, would you pay 30+ dollars to go see it in the theater, or would you wait for netflix?
Would it matter to you if the movie was 1.5 hours long or 4 hours long at that point?

I, like many other people, don't pay top dollar for something if I think it will suck, and that is not entitlement by any stretch of the imagination.

I even said it. Why would you play something for months that you don't enjoy? That makes the player a fool or a glutton for punishment and it is illogical.

No one has at any point forced you to buy ANYTHING yet the entire argument you're making relies on that being the case. Don't buy it. No one gives a shit. Buy it when it's cheap. Again no one cares.

Also, I don't spend every waking hour playing games... I tend to stretch these things out, especially the big open world games.

Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim generally last me a few months or so, since you can finish everything in one playthru and once you've explored the entire map you've pretty much seen all there is to see.

Fallout 4 will be much of the same, based on Beth's track record and everything we've seen so far.

Meanwhile, Fallout 1 and New Vegas have lasted me years.

That's nice, then don't buy it. But don't tell me you're going to buy a new Triple A game and have it give you months of play and that isn't worth $60.

Apparently someone cares.

You care so much that you're in here page after page telling other people what they should and shouldn't buy and how much they should pay for it.

He just explained to you what I've been trying to tell you for a while now, that "months of playtime != months of enjoyable gameplay"
While you were busy making a false claim about my posts*, you skipped the entire part of my post asking you a direct question that drew a very applicable comparison to the current situation.

Try not to forget that the people here are fans of Fallout. If it is a Fallout game, as so many people like to claim, there is an incentive for us to play it (to know about it and it's claims and how it ruins the canon and such) even if we don't enjoy every bit of it.

On the other hand there is exactly 0 incentive for us to pay top dollar for that knowledge, and doing so would actually be detrimental to the future of the franchise since Bethesda's profits for these endeavors are commonly used as justification for a continuation of their policy of dumbing down and crapping up the franchise to make more money.

If they don't make record profits, maybe they won't feel like the world is rubber stamping their design philosophy.


* I didn't say or imply that anyone was forcing me to buy anything.

 

[Battlecross]

At this point I'm just trying to understand what the central part of his point is supposed to be..

Is it the "months" part?
Is harping on the relative and unqualified quantity important for some reason?

To me "months" is a pretty small quantity and it doesn't carry any real weight as a point, compared to something like quality or enjoyability.
Any game that I only played for a few months would be considered a fleeting experience.

Every game that I love playing I have literally played for YEARS.

I still play Fallout and Quake, and I didn't pay 60 dollars for either one back in the late 90s.

You're desperately trying to not understand here and tons of games cost anywhere from 40-100 dollars back then. If you get months of play and enjoyment (and if you dislike it why are you playing it for months?) out of it, $60 is nothing. For fucks sake if I go to the movies and get popcorn and soda with my wife it's $30+ for a 1.5 hour experience. Or I can wait till it's on blu ray, pay 20 and watch it as many times as I want. But your comparisons are terrible and you know it. Games that have 6 hour campaigns can cost $60 and months of play isn't worth it for that? Makes no god damn sense.

You continue to ignore the fact that months of play is not the same thing as months of enjoyment.
Nobody said they'd be getting months of enjoyment from it, just that it would take them months to play it all.

If, for example, you thought that movie you mention sucked, would you pay 30+ dollars to go see it in the theater, or would you wait for netflix?
Would it matter to you if the movie was 1.5 hours long or 4 hours long at that point?

I, like many other people, don't pay top dollar for something if I think it will suck, and that is not entitlement by any stretch of the imagination.

I even said it. Why would you play something for months that you don't enjoy? That makes the player a fool or a glutton for punishment and it is illogical.

No one has at any point forced you to buy ANYTHING yet the entire argument you're making relies on that being the case. Don't buy it. No one gives a shit. Buy it when it's cheap. Again no one cares.

Also, I don't spend every waking hour playing games... I tend to stretch these things out, especially the big open world games.

Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim generally last me a few months or so, since you can finish everything in one playthru and once you've explored the entire map you've pretty much seen all there is to see.

Fallout 4 will be much of the same, based on Beth's track record and everything we've seen so far.

Meanwhile, Fallout 1 and New Vegas have lasted me years.

That's nice, then don't buy it. But don't tell me you're going to buy a new Triple A game and have it give you months of play and that isn't worth $60.

Apparently someone cares.

You care so much that you're in here page after page telling other people what they should and shouldn't buy and how much they should pay for it.

He just explained to you what I've been trying to tell you for a while now, that "months of playtime != months of enjoyable gameplay"
While you were busy making a false claim about my posts*, you skipped the entire part of my post asking you a direct question that drew a very applicable comparison to the current situation.

Try not to forget that the people here are fans of Fallout. If it is a Fallout game, as so many people like to claim, there is an incentive for us to play it (to know about it and it's claims and how it ruins the canon and such) even if we don't enjoy every bit of it.

On the other hand there is exactly 0 incentive for us to pay top dollar for that knowledge, and doing so would actually be detrimental to the future of the franchise since Bethesda's profits for these endeavors are commonly used as justification for a continuation of their policy of dumbing down and crapping up the franchise to make more money.

If they don't make record profits, maybe they won't feel like the world is rubber stamping their design philosophy.


* I didn't say or imply that anyone was forcing me to buy anything.

I at no point told anyone what to or what not to buy, you're full of shit. Again if you choose to play a game you don't enjoy for months and complain about the cost of getting it when it is new, you need to get your head examined. As a Fallout can you can find out everything without ever buying it as well.

No one cares when or if you buy it except maybe Bethesda. Acting like months of gameplay to get a Triple A game new isn't worth the money makes no sense. Just wait or don't fucking buy it, it's very simple.

 

[djmani]

I at no point told anyone what to or what not to buy, you're full of shit. Again if you choose to play a game you don't enjoy for months and complain about the cost of getting it when it is new, you need to get your head examined. As a Fallout can you can find out everything without ever buying it as well.

No one cares when or if you buy it except maybe Bethesda. Acting like months of gameplay to get a Triple A game new isn't worth the money makes no sense. Just wait or don't fucking buy it, it's very simple.[/QUOTE]


You wrote all that nonsense and still told him what to do.
"Just wait or don't fucking buy it, it's very simple." < that's not telling what to do?

Well, back in the 80s and 90s you used to be able to return opened video games and software after 30 days of using.
It's only been fairly recently that Idiots and Retards have been so forgiving with game reviews and developer bugs.
so No, you're full of shit.

 

[Battlecross]

I at no point told anyone what to or what not to buy, you're full of shit. Again if you choose to play a game you don't enjoy for months and complain about the cost of getting it when it is new, you need to get your head examined. As a Fallout can you can find out everything without ever buying it as well.

No one cares when or if you buy it except maybe Bethesda. Acting like months of gameplay to get a Triple A game new isn't worth the money makes no sense. Just wait or don't fucking buy it, it's very simple.

You wrote all that nonsense and still told him what to do.
"Just wait or don't fucking buy it, it's very simple." < that's not telling what to do?

Well, back in the 80s and 90s you used to be able to return opened video games and software after 30 days of using.
It's only been fairly recently that Idiots and Retards have been so forgiving with game reviews and developer bugs.
so No, you're full of shit.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, he or anyone can do whatever they want. I'm telling him he doesn't have to buy a thing so complaining about the cost of a thing he won't enjoy or doesn't want to buy makes no sense here. Buy it, don't, fly to the moon, do whatever the fuck you want. I've said this multiple times now and shouldn't have to spell it out each time.

You can get refunds on Steam, but you can't return most media and entertainment unless it's broken.

 

[raynor009]

This one is really worth watching haha

 

[youlstn]

The time you spend playing a game is worth far more than the purchase price. If you feel that you are getting a good experience from playing it, $60 is nothing. If you don't want to support a company or encourage current practices, I guess that's different.

But if you play for 100 hrs and at the end of it only feel like the game helped you pass the time...then the 100 hrs is a much bigger loss than the $60.

 

[Beaushizzle]

Why is Battlecross still here? All he foes is troll people.

 

[RangerBoo]

Why is Battlecross still here? All he foes is troll people.

Because he is a dipshit troll but he is our troll and things here would be less fun without our favorite Bethtrad fanboy making things a little more interesting.

 

[Willy Rogers]

So, I was wandering and came across what looks to be another settlement called Covenant, so looks like Diamond city ain't the only place. EDIT:And they're asking me the GOAT test, I'm shooting this guy and leaving...

 

[Walpknut]

More impresions:
Ok so I am in Diamond City now, from the Leak streams I found the quests interesting and they actually seemed to have choices and consequences. SEEMED.

On one hand I actually tried to metagame my way through the main plot, sothis part is gonna be in a spoiler tag jut out of courtesy:

Spoiler

The guy who kidnapped your kid is a fellow named Kellog. He lives in Diamond city and the key to his room can be found on the Major's office.You would normally have to go through a mission to rescue Valentine the Synth detective who would point you to Kellog and his house. There you would find a secret button that would lead to a secret room and furthering the main quest.

So I tried being a sneaky sneak and got into the Major's office before even rescuing Valentine. I even found the key to Kellog's house there... So I went oppened the door and.... the button the Leak Stream showed would be there when you got into the house with Valentine was nowhere to be found. It was literary non existent. So I now have to forcefully go and rescue the Synth because the Main quest is a linear piece of shit.

On the other sidequests.
Did you watch the leak streams? Remember that one with the dude who shoots his wife's lover and then you find details on a drug transaction that you can stop? Remember how some people said the only reason he couldn't beat that without violence was because of Low Charisma? Well nope, I stopped the dude from shooting his wife's lover, this resulted in him telling us about the drug deal we went there, Combat started immediately and then the guy said that now he should just leave the region forever. I am being serious here, that's what happens. They just change the dialogue around but the Mission structure stays exactly the same. No brancing paths, no nothing. There isn't even a Pacifist option.

Same with the Quest where you help the DJ gain confidence.We thought that Vadim getting kidnapped only happened because the Streamer accidentaly killed the thugs in the fake fight. Nope again, Vadim gets kidnapped anyway and you still have to go rescue him with Travis. No Pacifist route of any kind either.

Combat is getting a little tougher but that might be just because I am an unarmed character and I am purpousely going into areas beyond my current level.

This game is just a loot shooter pretending to be an RPG.

 

[Bubba Zanetti]

More impresions:
Ok so I am in Diamond City now, from the Leak streams I found the quests interesting and they actually seemed to have choices and consequences. SEEMED.

...the Quest where you help the DJ gain confidence.We thought that Vadim getting kidnapped only happened because the Streamer accidentaly killed the thugs in the fake fight. Nope again, Vadim gets kidnapped anyway and you still have to go rescue him with Travis. No Pacifist route of any kind either.

Son of a bitch.

I had a feeling this was the case, but wanted to give Beth the benefit of the doubt, thinking they might have learned a thing or two from Obsidian.

How stupid of me.

And your "metagame" thru the MQ incident... simply hilarious.

It would be like New Vegas forcing me to complete Come Fly With Me without the option to hack Manny's terminal.

 

[FearMonkey]

More impresions:
Ok so I am in Diamond City now, from the Leak streams I found the quests interesting and they actually seemed to have choices and consequences. SEEMED.

On one hand I actually tried to metagame my way through the main plot, sothis part is gonna be in a spoiler tag jut out of courtesy:

Spoiler

The guy who kidnapped your kid is a fellow named Kellog. He lives in Diamond city and the key to his room can be found on the Major's office.You would normally have to go through a mission to rescue Valentine the Synth detective who would point you to Kellog and his house. There you would find a secret button that would lead to a secret room and furthering the main quest.

So I tried being a sneaky sneak and got into the Major's office before even rescuing Valentine. I even found the key to Kellog's house there... So I went oppened the door and.... the button the Leak Stream showed would be there when you got into the house with Valentine was nowhere to be found. It was literary non existent. So I now have to forcefully go and rescue the Synth because the Main quest is a linear piece of shit.

On the other sidequests.
Did you watch the leak streams? Remember that one with the dude who shoots his wife's lover and then you find details on a drug transaction that you can stop? Remember how some people said the only reason he couldn't beat that without violence was because of Low Charisma? Well nope, I stopped the dude from shooting his wife's lover, this resulted in him telling us about the drug deal we went there, Combat started immediately and then the guy said that now he should just leave the region forever. I am being serious here, that's what happens. They just change the dialogue around but the Mission structure stays exactly the same. No brancing paths, no nothing. There isn't even a Pacifist option.

Same with the Quest where you help the DJ gain confidence.We thought that Vadim getting kidnapped only happened because the Streamer accidentaly killed the thugs in the fake fight. Nope again, Vadim gets kidnapped anyway and you still have to go rescue him with Travis. No Pacifist route of any kind either.

Combat is getting a little tougher but that might be just because I am an unarmed character and I am purpousely going into areas beyond my current level.

This game is just a loot shooter pretending to be an RPG.

Wow. I thought the game was hot garbage before. I had no idea how deep that rabbit hole goes. o_O

 

[Shardik]

This game is just a loot shooter pretending to be an RPG.

Given that observation, I just have to ask this - have you played Borderlands 2, and if so, how does this game compare to that one as a loot shooter with a few RPG elements? Honestly, from what I've seen, BL2 actually seems to be more of an "RPG" than Fallout 4.

 

[Walpknut]

Never played BL2. Can't really comment there.

Another thing I have noticed is Enemies Blatantly spawning off screen. Sometimes the game tries to jsutify this by having Ghouls crawl in through windows and air vents, but I havehad moments when I walk past some part of a location and there is nothing on the ground, then I hear a Feral growling and I turn around and there are three Feral GHouls on the ground doing their "Awakening zombie" routine they now have.

All the items I have gotten off Legendary enemies just suck balls, I can find better armor reinforcements on regular enemies and I can craft better armor with the Blacksmith perk myself....