Fallout: New Vegas interviews

[Lexx]

Heh, indeed. Beastlords are the animal dudes. Silly shit. I played Tactics the last time many years ago and never really bothered with it from story point of view...

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Correct, the beastlords were the mutated humans who could control some of the wasteland's wildlife but not Deathclaws.

The Reavers were a techno religious group who attributed divinity to technology.

 

[Continuum]

If things like zombies, green ogres, an order of haughty knights in shiny armors and monks in robes, or outright fantasy (or "dinosaury" if you prefer) deathclaws could fit in Fallout 1, then I don't see why wasteland version of roman soldiers wouldn't.

Good point, sir Zombies and badass purple monks are my personal favorites.

I saw the artwork with Caesar and he really looks like a cartoony version of the real Caesar, which makes me go 'wtf'...

Why to hell that chick on the left doesn't look like Cleopatra!?

I agree completely about the need for new, interesting factions, but visually there's a huge difference though, it being that the looks of Reavers and Calculator's robots are way more reminiscent of post-apocalyptia than these roman npc larpers...

Yeah, I really liked how Reavers were looking (well, maybe except that Samurai type of flag), and actually they were the only "new" thing I liked in Tactics.

Anyway, i wonder whose idea the roman clothing was. Beth or Obsidian what do you think?

I bet it was Obsidian.


Anyway, Romans don't fit there. To me, it looks like another we want to be uber "creative" thinking, which often ends with goofy shit. Just like flashy neon signs, but from other hand, New Vegas supposed to be 3d console shooter version of New Reno, and since it's a new game they needed to fill it with something stupid as this, so...

 

[Eternal]

I think Ceasars legion could work, but I'm not big on the roman armor aspect of the group. That part seems to break immersion a little for me.

The idea that they emulate the Roman empirical ideals, and even have code names based off of rulers of that era seems like a great idea.

 

[SharkClub]

Anyway, i wonder whose idea the roman clothing was. Beth or Obsidian what do you think?

I bet it was Obsidian.

Probably was, seeing as a lot of them worked on Van Buren beforehand. We can't just blame Bethesda for everything.

Anyway, I'm indifferent on this Caesar's Legion before I see how it works in-game.

 

[Aphyosis]

Fairly sure it was Obsidian. I remember reading in another thread that it was one aspect of Van Buren a lot of people weren't very keen on.

 

[Mistrz]

But the Reavers have been the same shit. Hated 'em, damn idiotic animal controllers.

Yeah, right. It`s waaaaaaaaaaay better to have BoS (again), fighting SM (again) and Enclave with sinister plan of second holocaust (again). Those things are great! Ceasr`s Legion is bad, Bestlords are bad and Reavers are bad!

 

[Lexx]

I can't find the place where I wrote that. Please point me to it.

 

[Mistrz]

Aren`t you the one who wrote that "animal controlers" and Reavers are shit, and bitching about a Legion`s design? Sorry I must have mistaken you with your twin.

 

[Lexx]

Just because I think that the Legion is a bit over the top shown, doesn't mean that I hate it totally. In fact, I like the idea of the Legion already since Van Buren and I very much doubt that I never wrote this here.

Also nobody here who was "bitching" about it said that they want super mutants vs. bos again. That's bogus.

 

[Mistrz]

But this is exactly what we are going to get if new things are bashed only because they do look a bit different.

And about FT. It`s third best fallout game ever made (and IMO true Fallout 3), and I`d love to see Beastlords and Reavers again.

 

[MrBumble]

I suppose Obsidian thinks that Lord Humungus from Road Warrior looked cool...

 

[x'il]

But this is exactly what we are going to get if new things are bashed only because they do look a bit different.

The CL's roman-styled visuals do not look just a bit different, they're completely silly and unfitting.

Also, why does it have to be (according to you) an absolute choice between regurgitated old and tired content (factions), and new content that is perhaps good but has silly, ridiculous, goofy unfitting visuals?

 

[Arden]

Anyway, i wonder whose idea the roman clothing was. Beth or Obsidian what do you think?

I bet it was Obsidian.

Probably was, seeing as a lot of them worked on Van Buren beforehand. We can't just blame Bethesda for everything.

I know CL is from vanburen. I don’t think it’s a stupid idea per se. I meant more the idea that they also wear roman clothing. Somehow I cant get rid of the image that on some design-session between beth and obsidian the guys explain about CL. Then a beth-dude, desperate to make some Contribution, saying: Romans? Cool, they can wear legionnaires-outfits made from junk, and wear red capes, and we could have a coliseum and stuff, you know?

And obsidian goes like: er… we thought more about them connected loosely to some aspects of the roman empire, like slavery, public execution/torture and some nomenclature. Not the whole thing you see?

Eager Beth: Why? Romans wore skirts man, dint you see the asterix movies? But good idea about torture and stuff, we could fill the wastes with crosses and shit! And a chariot-race man, some good ol ben hur. Those sessions really get my creativity going.

Patient Obs: We have to think about population issues here my dear friend. We have a few dozen NPCs walking the wastes. There cant be hundreds of crosses an thousands of fresh corpses hanging around, where do they come from? And no chariot races please, I fear they don’t fit.

Firm Beth: come on man, it’s a game, we don’t have to explain every tiny detail! Rotting, burning, nailed up corpses galore, that’s the stuff a good game is made of! And if they don’t wear skirts, how will people notice they are roman eh? No no, I want this shit in man! All of it and then some more!

Desperate Obs: but that’s not how the legion is supposed to be! Look, some of our dudes spent a lot of time to get it just right. You remember that salesman-guy from postman, building an army and starting to bring back order, but in a kind of twisted way? Or “the book of eli”? Guy wants some background to his rule, some… mandate from history or heaven to rally the people? He did not start burning witches at the stake or dressing up as jesus, did he?

Clueless Beth: what are you blabbering about dude? The salesman was the evil guy! The postman was the good one. The bookgrabber was evil, denzel was good. What is this stuff you are feeding me here? It doesn’t make sense! The romans were your idea, you brought them to the game and I say romans wear skirts! So put the damn skirts in or look for another job dude! That’s an order!

Hopeless Obs: Alright, alright but no chariot races ok? And go easy on the crosses please.

Smug Beth: no, chariots are roman, and lion pens and gladiators! I say, this roman stuff is great.

Calm Obs2: Bethy, the engine wont handle chariots and we are out of time for arena-stuff, please?

Grumbling Beth: Goddamn sissys! If this was developed by us we would have hannibals enclave coming over the rockys with a thousand elephants by now. You wait for Fallout4 guys, we will show you how proper romans are done.


Then again, perhaps i just dont want to accept that there are more people fucking things up like beth does.

 

[alec]

You wait for Fallout4 guys, we will show you how proper romans are done.

Maybe they included Romans so that, gradually, they could get rid of all the atomic stuff and the guns and the hightech armour of the old Fallout franchise and turn it into a future fantasy setting where people have rediscovered the pugio, the gladius, the scutum and the lorica segmentata. Maybe in Fallout 4 a Greek phalanx and an oracle can both make a cameo, so that by the time Fallout 5 hits the shelves we'll be ready for the introduction of post-apoc magic.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

 

[Mistrz]

Anyway, i wonder whose idea the roman clothing was. Beth or Obsidian what do you think?

I bet it was Obsidian.

Probably was, seeing as a lot of them worked on Van Buren beforehand. We can't just blame Bethesda for everything.

I know CL is from vanburen. I don’t think it’s a stupid idea per se. I meant more the idea that they also wear roman clothing. Somehow I cant get rid of the image that on some design-session between beth and obsidian the guys explain about CL. Then a beth-dude, desperate to make some Contribution, saying: Romans? Cool, they can wear legionnaires-outfits made from junk, and wear red capes, and we could have a coliseum and stuff, you know?

And obsidian goes like: er… we thought more about them connected loosely to some aspects of the roman empire, like slavery, public execution/torture and some nomenclature. Not the whole thing you see?

Eager Beth: Why? Romans wore skirts man, dint you see the asterix movies? But good idea about torture and stuff, we could fill the wastes with crosses and shit! And a chariot-race man, some good ol ben hur. Those sessions really get my creativity going.

Patient Obs: We have to think about population issues here my dear friend. We have a few dozen NPCs walking the wastes. There cant be hundreds of crosses an thousands of fresh corpses hanging around, where do they come from? And no chariot races please, I fear they don’t fit.

Firm Beth: come on man, it’s a game, we don’t have to explain every tiny detail! Rotting, burning, nailed up corpses galore, that’s the stuff a good game is made of! And if they don’t wear skirts, how will people notice they are roman eh? No no, I want this shit in man! All of it and then some more!

Desperate Obs: but that’s not how the legion is supposed to be! Look, some of our dudes spent a lot of time to get it just right. You remember that salesman-guy from postman, building an army and starting to bring back order, but in a kind of twisted way? Or “the book of eli”? Guy wants some background to his rule, some… mandate from history or heaven to rally the people? He did not start burning witches at the stake or dressing up as jesus, did he?

Clueless Beth: what are you blabbering about dude? The salesman was the evil guy! The postman was the good one. The bookgrabber was evil, denzel was good. What is this stuff you are feeding me here? It doesn’t make sense! The romans were your idea, you brought them to the game and I say romans wear skirts! So put the damn skirts in or look for another job dude! That’s an order!

Hopeless Obs: Alright, alright but no chariot races ok? And go easy on the crosses please.

Smug Beth: no, chariots are roman, and lion pens and gladiators! I say, this roman stuff is great.

Calm Obs2: Bethy, the engine wont handle chariots and we are out of time for arena-stuff, please?

Grumbling Beth: Goddamn sissys! If this was developed by us we would have hannibals enclave coming over the rockys with a thousand elephants by now. You wait for Fallout4 guys, we will show you how proper romans are done.


Then again, perhaps i just dont want to accept that there are more people fucking things up like beth does.

Roman stylization was already created for VB. Check out Vault wiki, there is even a post-apo chariot in concept art. So no it wasn`t just organization and nomenclature but roman empire of the wastes from very begining.

 

[OakTable]

You know, all I have to say at this point is quit gettin mad at video games.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Roman stylization was already created for VB. Check out Vault wiki, there is even a post-apo chariot in concept art. So no it wasn`t just organization and nomenclature but roman empire of the wastes from very begining.

Which doesnt make it less silly in my eyes. I dont mind some roman reference. But I think Obsidian at least here went over the top. Particuilarly regarding the visuals.

 

[Mistrz]

For you it`s silly for me it`s not. Metter of taste I guess.

 

[Ravager69]

Most important is that slavers will at last be a proper faction, not a two-guildmasters-and-two-quests shit, which also makes everyone in the wasteland and their dog hate you. Saves me a lot of time modding new content in to fix it Anyways, I wonder if you'll be able to do some slave-catching yourself?