Fallout Nuka World DLC trailer and information are online

[CerberusGate]

That's exactly my point dingus.

Well you've clearly lost your point if you have to resort to such phrases. You may have to try harder

Besides, isn't it a bigger risk of have a military installation be hidden in a theme park that the public can access during business hours? I imagine Chinese spies would be thrilled to discover that the passage behind the janitor's closet turns out to be an entrance into an installation filled with military secrets.

its pointing out thats the way the game always has been

And everyone else has pointed out that the games have not always been this way. With elaborate points to boot. Your arguments simply state that Fallout has always some form of 'lulz' games and many have disagreed in turn. Why so ignorant to their points then?

 

[Someguy37]

Well you've clearly lost your point if you have to resort to such phrases.

Besides, isn't it a bigger risk of have a military installation be hidden in a theme park that the public can access during business hours? I imagine Chinese spies would be thrilled to discover that the passage behind the janitor's closet turns out to be an entrance into an installation filled with military secrets.

So says the man who has used the same bad joke as a rebuttal for several posts now. The irony is thick enough to eat here.

The instillation isn't in a part of the park the average person can access. It's underground, only reachable by an elevator located in a security room thats sealed off by unpickable security doors, in the actual factory part of the bottling plant, not visible to anyone, which no normal person can access without first getting off the ride, breaking through all the backrooms, and getting past a number of military grade robots.

You keep acting like its just sitting in the open in the middle of the park, when its not.

 

[CerberusGate]

So says the man who has used the same bad joke as a rebuttal for several posts now. The irony is thick enough to eat here.

Just because I know how to use a joke doesn't mean I'm not open to debate. Just not with someone so defensive and crude.

I'm using the point of espionage, not the general public (though some young hoodlums could break into the park and find hints of such activities). If I were account for some of Fallout 3's tech, a spy could stumble onto hints of such a facility. It would not make for a good hidden installation since the clues would start to add up(unlike Big Mountain's mountain - until their experiments blew up the mountain, revealing the facility).

 

[Izak]

In what why? Honestly curious. Every argument I have made thus far rests on the basic ideas that Fallout has always been this way, which isn't a fallacy, its pointing out thats the way the game always has been.

Constant overuse of fallacious arguments to try to make a point

You cite no evidence for your hypothesis, when it's disproved by others citing moments you either never discovered or forgot about, you ignore it and move along. You also don't consider JRR Tolkien (the father of modern fantasy) an authoritative figure in literature, apparently.

speak of a lack of unwillingness to engage in honest debate

You have previously called others autistic and dyslexic in the heat of argument.

or accept alternate viewpoints

Self explanatory.

and speak more of blind fanaticism when it comes to your stance

I actually haven't made any reference to other Fallouts, let along revered them in this thread, haven't really shown myself a fanatic for anything. Anyway, you clearly have an inability to see the flaws in this DLC (which I've yet to play).

Its hard to take you seriously when you do that.

Honestly going back through this thread, I was nothing but cordial to you until you claimed I merely wanted 'MUH REALISM', it took you acting like a prick for me to treat you like a prick.

Oh well, Suaside's online. Wouldn't amaze me if this were vatted soon.

 

[Risewild]

The fact that no other drinks are mentioned when they easily could have even if they weren't in-game items. You know, basic world building every good RPG does.

That's exactly my point dingus. Its in the factory because no one would bomb it because its such a seemingly pointless target.


I honestly must have missed them due to the replies stacking up so quickly.

That is what you don't seem to understand, it was a joke drink in older games. Obsidian used Sunset Sarsaparilla in Fallout New Vegas as a way of showing that Nuka-Cola wasn't special like Bethesda made them be in Fallout 3. It was blowing out of proportion for just a joke and so they tried to show that Nuka-Cola was not the super drink everyone drinks everywhere in the world. Being beaten by a homegrown company in half of the country and being side by side in sales and popularity in the neighbour country of Canada (now annexed) .

And you should read what I type koala. I asked before why hiding under a theme park such an important and risky facility when no one would suspect they were doing those tests in their own actual labs (not an abandoned lab). You know when you develop secret nuclear and chemical tests you don't do it with thousands of people walking above you everyday. You do it in an isolated facility far from prying eyes and civilians.
Why? For several reasons, number one is secrecy the least people around the higher the chance it will continue to be unknown. Doesn't take much for one in one thousand to stumble about restricted perimeter or door or whatever, and then what? send the robots? Kill a civilian for the sake of secrecy? that would attract attentions and make things worst. Other reason is security, the least amount of people the better (it is easier to spot a spy or a security breach when you don't have to deal with thousands of people around all day). Another reason is safety, if a chemical or radioactive material escaped containment it would infect/affect thousands of people and the operation would be totally compromised and have to be relocated and all evidence of it destroyed/cleared. That takes time and money and wastes resources.

EDIT: Answered before. Sorry my browser freezes a lot because I am using a broken laptop that is probably 10 years old since my actual machine broke a few months ago.

 

[Someguy37]

Just because I know how to use a joke doesn't mean I'm not open to debate. Just not with someone so defensive and crude.

I'm using the point of espionage, not the general public (though some young hoodlums could break into the park and find hints of such activities). If I were account for some of Fallout 3's tech, a spy could stumble onto hints of such a facility. It would not make for a good hidden installation since the clues would start to add up(unlike Big Mountain's mountain - until their experiments blew up the mountain, revealing the facility).

You will have to excuse my defensiveness when dealing with a group of people known to be so hostile and belligerent that even the very company they defended so much in the past has openly mocked them repeatedly, and they have become one of the most infamous websites on the Internet along with that cesspool that is RPGCodex


Its no more or less hidden then a number of real world military instillations like Area 51. Using Fallout's tech, especially the Chinese's stealth suits, one could easily break into near anywhere. Just like we saw in New Vegas with the attempted Hoover Dam sabotage, and the Niagara Falls Sabotage mentioned in lore once or twice.

If we are going by the capabilities of Chinese espionage, nowhere is safe. However, something like a Nuka-Cola theme park is far less obvious a target then an actual military base like Mariposa or West-Tek. Probably why West-Tek got hit in the war, and the Nuka Cola park didn't.

-You cite no evidence for your hypothesis, when it's disproved by others citing moments you either never discovered or forgot about, you ignore it and move along.
-You also don't consider JRR Tolkien (the father of modern fantasy) an authoritative figure in literature, apparently.
-You have previously called others autistic and dyslexic in the heat of argument.
-Self explanatory.
-I actually haven't made any reference to other Fallouts, let along revered them in this thread, haven't really shown myself a fanatic for anything.
-Anyway, you clearly have an inability to see the flaws in this DLC (which I've yet to play).
-Honestly going back through this thread, I was nothing but cordial to you until you claimed I merely wanted 'MUH REALISM', it took you acting like a prick for me to treat you like a prick.

-I listed off a whole bunch of goofy shit from Fallout1/2/New Vegas to prove the point that this level of goofy isn't uncommon in the series. Nor has anyone really disproved those points either.
-Actually no, if you go back and read what I said, I said his style doesn't matter for Fallout, because Fallout is fundamentally designed to be entirely different compared to Lord of the Rings in terms of realism and beliveability.
-And you have posted a dumb joke more times then I can count. Can't really complain when you do it yourself. See hypocrisy.
-Not really
-I never said you did make references to older Fallout games.
-The only flaw I see if your repeated attempts to call all the silly parts of Fallout "Problem A, which doesn't excuse Problem B", which only shows a clear lack of understand of some of the most basic elements of Fallout.
-Actually you were kind of a dick, for some time. And the constant use of fallacious arguments, and dismissing everything you don't like about the series as "Problem A, which doesn't excuse Problem B" got grating because its not even an argument, its just going "well, yeah, Fallout has that kinda stuff, but I view that as as problem, and are thus going to ignore the fact the series has always been like that!" which is honestly just paramount to putting your hand over your ears and yelling NO! over and over again. something NMA isnt exactly unknown for doing.

 

[CerberusGate]

You will have to excuse my defensiveness when dealing with a group of people known to be so hostile and belligerent that even the very company they defended so much in the past has openly mocked them repeatedly, and they have become one of the most infamous websites on the Internet along with that cesspool that is RPGCodex


Its no more or less hidden then a number of real world military instillations like Area 51. Using Fallout's tech, especially the Chinese's stealth suits, one could easily break into near anywhere. Just like we saw in New Vegas with the attempted Hoover Dam sabotage, and the Niagara Falls Sabotage mentioned in lore once or twice.

If we are going by the capabilities of Chinese espionage, nowhere is safe. However, something like a Nuka-Cola theme park is far less obvious a target then an actual military base like Mariposa or West-Tek. Probably why West-Tek got hit in the war, and the Nuka Cola park didn't.

Cesspool? You must be really sensitive then if you think the RPG Codex is a cesspool (there are far worse places out there, kid) and if you look closely, there are people willing to be civil and engage in proper discourse if you'd let them despite the jabs. You started the hostilities here, kid, by being snide and putting down points with crude one liners while disregarding everything people have pointed out to you. So don't try to claim that you needed shields to navigate this place since any rational person could go through NMA without being thoroughly attacked as long as they are willing to debate rationally.
Try to be less defensive (and not expect to be bashed) next time and you'll see that people here are willing to debate with civility.

On your second point, the park's facilities still fell apart and their by-products got out. So it still fell apart anyways even without the nukes.
Also, has it been officially confirmed that Nuka World was never hit by the bombs? Then again, with all that radioactive material that Quantum is apparently made out of, they had no use for launching nukes there. The soldiers there probably died of radiation poisoning from all that Quantum alone or the animals there killed everyone there after getting dosed by Quantum.

 

[Someguy37]

-Cesspool? You must be really sensitive then if you think the RPG Codex is a cesspool (there are far worse places out there, kid) and if you look closely, there are people willing to be civil and engage in proper discourse if you'd let them despite the jabs.

-You started the hostilities here, kid, by being snide and putting down points with crude one liners while disregarding everything people have pointed out to you. So don't try to claim that you needed shields to navigate this place since any rational person could go through NMA without being thoroughly attacked as long as they are willing to debate rationally.
Try to be less defensive (and not expect to be bashed) next time and you'll see that people here are willing to debate with civility.

-On your second point, the park's facilities still fell apart and their by-products got out. So it still fell apart anyways even without the nukes.
-Also, has it been officially confirmed that Nuka World was never hit by the bombs?
-Then again, with all that radioactive material that Quantum is apparently made out of, they had no use for launching nukes there. The soldiers there probably died of radiation poisoning from all that Quantum alone or the animals there killed everyone there after getting dosed by Quantum.

I can stand even the worst of 4chan, Reddit, and Something Awful, but RPG Codex makes them look tolerable by comparison. RPG Codex is all the worst of traditionalist mentality concentrated in one insane, backward tribe. The only redeeming thing I have ever seen then do is tear apart Pillars of Eternity of being the entirely mediocre and unfinished game it was.

I only stared the hostilities once the fallacies started flying, and people started everything response with >Muh physiology. If you want people to treat you with respect, show some first.

And thats every facility in Fallout's world
And yes, its confirmed it wasn't hit by the bombs, by the fact there are no bomb blasts anywhere on the map, and no one mentions it being hit ever.
It really wasn't a problem pre-war, just like all the radioactive matieral in everything like Mr Handy robots, and cars, was a problem for people pre-war.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Why are you here again? Fighting the good fight with your keyboard, I assume.

You will have to excuse my defensiveness when dealing with a group of people known to be so hostile and belligerent that even the very company they defended so much in the past has openly mocked them repeatedly, and they have become one of the most infamous websites on the Internet along with that cesspool that is RPGCodex

The fact that you took your time register here, just to lecture us about how much of a cesspool it is and that you actually take part in those hostilities, says more about you then it does about us.
We never asked for your or anyone elses opinion. The fact that you can discuss it with us is a privilige, not a right, you know how forums work, don't you? Feel free to leave this place if it is so hostile. There is a certain mindset on NMA, no one ever denied that, and when most of us think that Fallout 4 is terrible or that Nuka Cola shouldn't create bombs, who are you to tell us that we're wrong? You are always free, to leave this board, to get to a place where everyone agrees with your opinion and where you engange in circle jerking about how awesome Nuka Colas Nuclear Research is.

 

[Someguy37]

The fact that you took your time register here, just to lecture us about how much of a cesspool it is and that you actually take part in those hostilities, says more about you then it does about us.

Well I didn't actually, if you look at my registry date it was long before this, and my intisal posts here had nothing to do with it.

OFC, basic reading skills do seem to be lacking here, probably why y'all are so confused about these games.

 

[Crni Vuk]

You registered at 2015, wow! With 500 posts even. You're a true old-timer and NMA veteran now. I can't say that you actually contribute much to this community, outside of 'Lulz you're all fanatics!'. This isn't the first time you stir up a debate like that.

 

[CerberusGate]

I can stand even the worst of 4chan, Reddit, and Something Awful, but RPG Codex makes them look tolerable by comparison. RPG Codex is all the worst of traditionalist mentality concentrated in one insane, backward tribe. The only redeeming thing I have ever seen then do is tear apart Pillars of Eternity of being the entirely mediocre and unfinished game it was.

I only stared the hostilities once the fallacies started flying, and people started everything response with >Muh physiology. If you want people to treat you with respect, show some first.

From what you're saying, I'm getting the impression that you've pre-judged them based on comments from 4chan, Reddit and the like before even looking at them. The Codex is a site where they're relaxed when it comes to freedom of speech (which usually means that they'll trade barbs with each other on a regular basis and whoever can't keep up with them is left behind). I'm not on the Codex but I lurk whenever I want to read up some decent commentary on RPGs since they do have members well-versed in RPGs.

The fact that you regard NMA as the same as Codex speaks volumes about how quickly you've prejudged people. I'm guessing you're one of those Redditors or social media junkies that comment about how NMA is so backwards and stuff while ignoring the fact that you're following the crowd's point of view.

OFC, basic reading skills do seem to be lacking here, probably why y'all are so confused about these games.

No one here was insulting your interpretations (until you went all defensive). You're the one going out of your way to insult how they view the games of a franchise this site was built around.

 

[Someguy37]

You registered at 2015, wow! You're a true old-timer and NMA veteran now. But I can't say that you actually contribute much to this community, outside of 'Lulz you're all fanatics!'. This isn't the first time you stir up a debate like that.

Its not the first time I've had to due to systemic hostility from anything that even resembles defense of the great evil series destroying tyrant that is Bethesda.

From what you're saying, I'm getting the impression that you've pre-judged them based on comments from 4chan, Reddit and the like before even looking at them. The Codex is a site where they're relaxed when it comes to freedom of speech (which usually means that they'll trade barbs with each other on a regular basis and whoever can't keep up with them is left behind). I'm not on the Codex but I lurk whenever I want to read up some decent commentary on RPGs since they do have members well-versed in RPGs.

The fact that you regard NMA as the same as Codex speaks volumes about how quickly you've prejudged people. I'm guessing you're one of those Redditors or social media junkies that comment about how NMA is so backwards and stuff while ignoring the fact that you're following the crowd's point of view.

No one here is insulting your interpretations (until you went all defensive). You're the one going out of your way to insult how they view the games of a franchise this site was built around.

Actually no, I spent quite a bit of time on the RPG Codex before, and was thoroughly disgusted by near everything about their mentality. The fact that they champion the phrase "were stuff doesn't scale to your level" like its the holy word of god, and live in a fairly delusional fantasy world where they talk up the greatest of many older RPGs, far beyond how good they actually were, speaks of their mindset.

Sure you are, the fact you spammed
>MUH PHYSIOLOGY!
Over and over ad nauseam is testament to that.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Its not the first time I've had to due to systemic hostility from anything that even resembles defense of the great evil series destroying tyrant that is Bethesda.

Exactly! And you know this by now. Why are you still around? Just to lecture us? You should realize by now that nothing what you say, will change our opinion or attitude. So you could as well just deal with the hostility here, or always decide to leave us alone. Like I said ... the fact that YOU still feel like the need to tell us how 'evilz' and 'hostile' we can be for hating on Bethesda or what ever, says more about you then it does about us.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Exactly! And you know this by now. Why are you still around? Just to lecture us? Yu should realize by now that nothing you say will change our opinion or attitude. So you could as well just deal with the hostility here, or always decide to leave us alone. Like I said ... the fact that YOU still feel like the need to tell us how 'evilz' and 'hostile' we can be for hating on Bethesda or what ever, says more about you then it does about us.

NMA doesn't understand it's own physiology.

 

[Someguy37]

Exactly! And you know this by now. Why are you still around?

Because if someone says something wrong, and someone can correct it, they should do so, regardless of if those people want to hear it or not.

 

[Izak]

Because if someone says something wrong, and someone can correct it, they should do so, regardless of if those people want to hear it or not.

You know, the Spanish Inquisition tried to correct people.

 

[CerberusGate]

Sure you are, the fact you spammed
>MUH PHYSIOLOGY!
Over and over ad nauseam is testament to that.

Someone needs to go back to reading classes. While I left one-liners on physiology but I also left proper length responses. You've decided to ignore points simply because they disagreed with you and made fun of you (and you assumed that jabs='evul haterz'.

On Codex, if you look closely between their supposed 'elite' attitude, Codex also criticizes all the games they love but they do it out of actual love rather than circle-jerk blindness because if you actually love something, you'd critique it and point out what could have made it better. It's a lot more productive than the typical gush thread on Reddit or Bethesda.net anyday.

Because if someone says something wrong, and someone can correct it, they should do so, regardless of if those people want to hear it or not.

There's clarification and then there's being pretentious about it. You wanted to be the former (and it was alright) but devolved into the latter because you got, for lack of a more appropriate term, butt-hurt.

You still clearly do not get your own physiology too.

 

[Someguy37]

Someone needs to go back to reading classes. While I left one-liners on physiology but I also left proper length responses. You've decided to ignore points simply because they disagreed with you and made fun of you (and you assumed that jabs='evul haterz'.

On Codex, if you look closely between their supposed 'elite' attitude, Codex also criticizes all the games they love but they do it out of actual love rather than circle-jerk blindness because if you actually love something, you'd critique it and point out what could have made it better. It's a lot more productive than the typical gush thread on Reddit or Bethesda.net anyday.

There's clarification and then there's being pretentious about it. You wanted to be the former (and it was alright) but devolved into the latter because you got, for lack of a more appropriate term, butt-hurt.

You still clearly do not get your own physiology too.

Your proper length responses almost exclusively were the same already debunked fallacy arguments. Those aren't responses, that's just trying to get out of the argument.

>Bethesda.net
>Gush
You have never been to Bethesda's forums I see. Or any official forums for that matter. 9 times out of 10 official forums are people complaining about the game.

I "devolved" as you put it because you showed no clear indication to want to honestly debate the points being made. why do you expect such respect when you yourself refuse to show it?

 

[Izak]

why do you expect such respect when you yourself refuse to show it?

You know, Hitler lacked self awareness as well.