First round of Fallout 4 Reviews

RollsRhys said:
Like Mr Fish said, if a 0/10 is reserved for a completely broken unplayable game, a 10/10 should be for a 100% perfect flawless game. Both are stupid scores, and it annoys me that someone can list negatives/dislikes and still give a 9.5 or 10.
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By that qualification there would be absolutely no game worthy of a 10/10 ever. Even Super Mario Land has glitches and levels not perfect.

Plenty of games can be unplayable or near unplayable. No game in history is 100% flawless.

That said, I do feel that many of the reviews for MANY games, especially this one, are disingenuous. Voicing many concerns in their review that they felt were big enough issues to actually mention. As well as bugs like a straight up system crash on a console. Giving a game a near perfect score for issues like that doesn't seem right. I wouldn't go to a restaurant and say "The food was good if a little undercooked, waiters were kind, courteous and attentive but often took a long time to return with requests, I had to send my first order back due to a mistake from the chef. Overall I did enjoy the experience quite a bit 9.5/10"
 
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siwamat_asperger said:
Perhaps after this game people will start realizing how bad bethesda games really are. I can't imagine how you can put up with a 30fps lock with huge frame drops and subpar graphics after playing something like Witcher 3.
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Love the Witcher and after playing Fallout for 5 hours I think Witcher is the better game.

But Witcher has more framedrops than Fallout and the graphics are the same.
 
http://kotaku.com/fallout-3-vs-fallout-4-in-screenshots-1712122808

Kotaku (who I never visit usually) did a neat comparison series of FO3 to FO4. The graphics, while still dated, are markedly improved over FO3.

kostjamoscow said:
siwamat_asperger said:
Perhaps after this game people will start realizing how bad bethesda games really are. I can't imagine how you can put up with a 30fps lock with huge frame drops and subpar graphics after playing something like Witcher 3.
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Love the Witcher and after playing Fallout for 5 hours I think Witcher is the better game.

But Witcher has more framedrops than Fallout and the graphics are the same.
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FO4 being graphically as good as Witcher 3? I'm sorry but this is objectively wrong.


I didn't cherry pick bad ones, actually I tried to find some of the better pictures of FO4 available at the moment.

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Jedasd said:
kostjamoscow said:
Love the Witcher and after playing Fallout for 5 hours I think Witcher is the better game.

But Witcher has more framedrops than Fallout and the graphics are the same.
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But at least you dont get 0 frames per second and the game doesnt looks dated. FPS drops to single digits on X1 and to around 15 on PS4 all the while looking like Skyrim with even less view distance.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-fallout-4-performance-analysis
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This game just simply doesn't look like Skyrim. It does look like GTA 5 or Witcher 3.

It runs smoothly on my PS4, didn't have any framedrops yet...
 
5.9 is biased even for what Fallout 4 is, but at least many more people are calling Bethesda out for their shit than during their previous releases.
 
Marionettetc said:
Reading all the cognitive dissonance oozing from all the positive reviews makes my black, nihilistic heart beat once more.
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Reading the negative reviews is also funny...

If you know nothing about Fallout 4 you would think it is a 10 year old remaster, that is barely playable. It's completely over the top.

Even if the graphics are not the best... they are still good. I can't believe that anybody that has played the game can say that the graphics are shit with a straight face..
 
13pm said:
Mr Fish said:
So, Metacritic.
PC critic: 89
PC user: 5.9

Xbox critic: 89
Xbox user: 6.5

PS4 critic: 91
PS4 user: 6.5
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I see different numbers :)

PC 89/6.0
PS4 89/6.5
Xbox 91/7.0

What's interesting is that Xbox scores are higher. Better optimisation? Lower expectations?
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And after I've come home from work it looks like this:
PC critic: 89 (Nothing changed)
PC user: 5.3 (down by 0.6)

Xbox critic: 91 (up by 2)
Xbox user: 6.1 (down by 0.4)

PS4 critic: 89 (down by 2)
PS4 user: 6.2 (down by 0.3)

I wonder if this decrease in user review score will continue.
 
13pm said:
I see different numbers :)

PC 89/6.0
PS4 89/6.5
Xbox 91/7.0

What's interesting is that Xbox scores are higher. Better optimisation? Lower expectations?
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Without looking, it's probably a sample size issue. A lot of times people to be sent review copies are able to request a specific version of the game, and they tend to either choose the PC version (if they've got the machine to run it) or the console that is the least pain-in-the-butt to get the game to work (because these folks are on a deadline, having to wait for updates or installs is bad). Last generation this lead to more multiplatform games getting reviewed on the 360 than the PS3, but this generation it seems to have tilted the other way.
 
Mr Fish said:
13pm said:
Mr Fish said:
So, Metacritic.
PC critic: 89
PC user: 5.9

Xbox critic: 89
Xbox user: 6.5

PS4 critic: 91
PS4 user: 6.5
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I see different numbers :)

PC 89/6.0
PS4 89/6.5
Xbox 91/7.0

What's interesting is that Xbox scores are higher. Better optimisation? Lower expectations?
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And after I've come home from work it looks like this:
PC critic: 89 (Nothing changed)
PC user: 5.3 (down by 0.6)

Xbox critic: 91 (up by 2)
Xbox user: 6.1 (down by 0.4)

PS4 critic: 89 (down by 2)
PS4 user: 6.2 (down by 0.3)

I wonder if this decrease in user review score will continue.
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Trolls that haven't played the game.. brr..
 
PossibleCabbage said:
13pm said:
I see different numbers :)

PC 89/6.0
PS4 89/6.5
Xbox 91/7.0

What's interesting is that Xbox scores are higher. Better optimisation? Lower expectations?
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Without looking, it's probably a sample size issue. A lot of times people to be sent review copies are able to request a specific version of the game, and they tend to either choose the PC version (if they've got the machine to run it) or the console that is the least pain-in-the-butt to get the game to work (because these folks are on a deadline, having to wait for updates or installs is bad). Last generation this lead to more multiplatform games getting reviewed on the 360 than the PS3, but this generation it seems to have tilted the other way.
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I know that pre-release copies sent to reviewers were mostly for XBox. I've thought of that as a possible explanation, but it explains only the higher critics score, not the players.


kostjamoscow said:
Trolls that haven't played the game.. brr..
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Sure, no-one who has played the game could write anything negative about this masterpiece.
 
13pm said:
kostjamoscow said:
Trolls that haven't played the game.. brr..
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Sure, no-one who has played the game could write anything negative about this masterpiece.
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Dude, "anything negative" is not a 0.

I have said plenty of negative things. The game certainly has flaws. But giving it a 0 is just laughable.
 
Ah well it seems after Bethesda paid for good reviews to the shills the truth from the user reviews seems to start showing, it's a shit game from what all of the reviews are saying. Games like The Witcher 3 are more deserving of a Game of the Year award then this garbage but I think i'll get it myself if I find a sale. I'm getting excited to see people shit on it, brings a tear to my eye.
 
kostjamoscow said:
13pm said:
kostjamoscow said:
Trolls that haven't played the game.. brr..
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Sure, no-one who has played the game could write anything negative about this masterpiece.
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Dude, "anything negative" is not a 0.

I have said plenty of negative things. The game certainly has flaws. But giving it a 0 is just laughable.
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As is giving 10, yet there's a huge amount of such scores. That's a way of expressing opinions. Those extremes counterbalance each other. Look at any game on Metacritic, there are always people who give a game zeros, but in the end, the average score is more or less representative. Again, look at the Witcher's score. There's a very small gap between the critics score and users. That's the information you should look for first. If the gap is small, then the critics reviews are well-representative of what's really happening. If the gap's big, then something's definitely gone wrong. Either the reviewers were paid or just being unprofessional and unaware of what the players really want.

Trolls, angry players or not, the gap between the users and critic scores is big and it definitely tells us that something is really broken in this game and the community isn't that pleased as expected. I believe in some time we will see some increase in the scores after the initial wave of anger and fanboism calms down, but, again, I assume, it will be not more than 10-15 points.

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