From E3 untill now, Can you honestly tell me what we know of Fallout 4 objectively?

Aniki said:
The UI can be the ugliest compared to all other games out there, but it's a very small bit of the rest of the product. And if everything else is at least above sub par (I'm not expecting too much from Bethesda at this point), then nitpicking over a thing like this is just stupid. Hate newspapers is one thing, but this? Really?
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I would say the biggest problem isn't the look but how usefull the UIs are and since Morrowind Bethesda has been on a steady decline here, with Skyrim beeing the biggest offender. Seriously, who ever designed and approved that UI needs to be slaped or send back to user interface 101. Most graphic/design students in their first term would not make such blatant mistakes.

The biggest issue in my opinion is wasted space. Their UI's always waste so much space without offering any real informations to make their content easy to read and memorize.

The second issue is the number of menues, it's simply to much. The game requires way to much navigation trough menues and sub menues like going back to the stats, your abilites, the inventory, the skills and so on. This leads to a lot of clicking and spending time with the UI that you don't have to if it was solved in a more straight forward maner.

The other part is no real support of PC controlls. It is painfully obvious that the console is their lead platform and the PC comes later.

I have no doubts that Fallout 4 will follow this evolution where they focus on visual presentation over usability.

Walpknut said:
If it was minimalist they would've actually looked to MINIMIZE the ammount of elements, they didn't, they put in an ugly box with nonsensical empty space. The main menu from the previous games was minimalist as it was just the options listed without a box, just text.
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Yeah ... that main menu in that screenshot looks like someone slaped an ugly type of drop-down menu randomly on the screen instead of a real minimalist design which could have been simply green Text over a simple background, closer to Skyrims main menu which was just a white font on black background.
 
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It's pretty weird they focus on Console so much when PC si where the biggest amount of their players are and they make such a big deal about Modding, which again is a PC exclusive element.
 
Well I can forgive not so stellar look, if the usability is great. What I can't forgive is great look/visuals but shitty usability. But hey! That's me. When it comes to interfaces the main focus should be usability, looks can always be changed and improved, even later in production - if you know what you're doing.
 
They tend to fail at both. I mean, Skyrim without SkyUI is a nightmare to navigate the inventory.

I weight both things equally when it comes to Multi Million dollar companies, I mean, if they can blow so much money on marketing they should also put the effort on the visual design of the interface. I mean, Atlus are a spmewhat small company and they usually deliver on Useful and well designed interfaces in most of their games.
 
LostPony said:
Practicat said:
Main menu is kind of ruined by the ugly green box. The green looked decent for the HUD, but who decided to put it in the main menu?


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Here is what I DO see wrong:

See the hooks holding the power armor? They are on the end of a chain and the hooks have the spring loaded closer on them. Now, take your right or left arm and try to touch the top of your left shoulder with left arm and same for right arm/shoulder. See how much you have to fold your arm? There is no way you could fold your arm that much in that suit, or cross your chest to the opposite shoulder to release that hook. How are you supposed to release yourself?

If on the other hand the power armor stands on its own, and the hooks and chain are just a safety to hold during repairs and you release before getting in, then it makes sense.
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Huh? It would be controlled on a crane and lowered or raised, it makes no sense that you'd have to release the hooks yourself while IN the suit.


Walpknut said:
It's pretty weird they focus on Console so much when PC si where the biggest amount of their players are and they make such a big deal about Modding, which again is a PC exclusive element.
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Mods will be on consoles as well for 4, it was one of the first things they announced. So I guarantee a spot in that menu is for the mods that can eventually be added. Then you can probably even get a mod to change the menu. Problem solved!
 
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Battlecross said:
Huh? It would be controlled on a crane and lowered or raised, it makes no sense that you'd have to release the hooks yourself while IN the suit.
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Exactly. Thats what I am pointing out. Those types of hooks have to be manually released, as in BY HAND. You can not release them simply by lowering the crane, that would only loosen the chains and you would then release the hooks. As I said in my post, if the suit can stand on its own and the hooks and chain are only attached while servicing, then it makes sense.
 
LostPony said:
Battlecross said:
Huh? It would be controlled on a crane and lowered or raised, it makes no sense that you'd have to release the hooks yourself while IN the suit.
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Exactly. Thats what I am pointing out. Those types of hooks have to be manually released, as in BY HAND. You can not release them simply by lowering the crane, that would only loosen the chains and you would then release the hooks. As I said in my post, if the suit can stand on its own and the hooks and chain are only attached while servicing, then it makes sense.
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Right, and if you do have to pull the hooks out...what's the issue?

If you look at the pictures it isn't even hooked up when you're working on it anyway.
 
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Walpknut said:
It's pretty weird they focus on Console so much when PC si where the biggest amount of their players are and they make such a big deal about Modding, which again is a PC exclusive element.
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Not sure about that, I think the majority of posters in forums are PC gamers, but I doubt that the overall Bethesda players are on PC. Why would they focus so much on making things easier for console gamers if what you say is true?
 
Becase they are still very much buddies with Microsoft, same reason why they kept giving the 360 timed exclusivity for DLCs.
Most of the people who still play their games nowadays are PC gamers, the Mod community has more members on it than console players. The only thing giving their games longevity is the modding community.
 
Battlecross said:
Right, and if you do have to pull the hooks out...what's the issue?

If you look at the pictures it isn't even hooked up when you're working on it anyway.
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The issue is; if you are in the suit and it is hooked to the chains, you simply can not reach them to release the hooks. Touch the top of your left shoulder or even your left ear with your left hand and look at the amount of bending you have to do. Now look at the suit and tele you could bend your arm that far in the suit.

Its just a little thing I noticed in the picture that doesn't jive, not saying it WILL be like that in the game.
 
LostPony said:
Battlecross said:
Right, and if you do have to pull the hooks out...what's the issue?

If you look at the pictures it isn't even hooked up when you're working on it anyway.
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The issue is; if you are in the suit and it is hooked to the chains, you simply can not reach them to release the hooks. Touch the top of your left shoulder or even your left ear with your left hand and look at the amount of bending you have to do. Now look at the suit and tele you could bend your arm that far in the suit.

Its just a little thing I noticed in the picture that doesn't jive, not saying it WILL be like that in the game.
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Yeah I get that but you wouldn't be in the suit while it is hooked up so it isn't really an issue.
 
LostPony said:
The issue is; if you are in the suit and it is hooked to the chains, you simply can not reach them to release the hooks. Touch the top of your left shoulder or even your left ear with your left hand and look at the amount of bending you have to do. Now look at the suit and tele you could bend your arm that far in the suit.

Its just a little thing I noticed in the picture that doesn't jive, not saying it WILL be like that in the game.
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The armor would be hooked up just for maintenance, and when you get in it would just stand on its own. You wouldn't have to enter it while it's still hooked up. ;)
 
PA in FO is basically like a robot that you control.

About the UI, that picture looks like a very early alpha, or fake. It's just too bad..
 
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