Full perk list:

So? Than you get a small range increase, or damage from hitting more criticals. Is that real depth? Or is that just fake depth? Like in Skyrim. Cripling your enemy is hardly important in Fallout 3, at some point you will do so much damage and overpower everything that cripling shoots become uninteresting. Fallout 4 seems to be a very fast paced game. So unless the fight with every enemy is like 15-20 min. I doubt it will be really important in the long run. It's just what I think, but I feel there is a lot of fake depth in the system, because there is no real complex mechanic behind it as far as I can tell. Like different types of damage, immunities, cooldowns, special effects either trough stat boosts or negative effects on skills/stats.

Bethesda abandonded that kind of idea a long time ago and burried it with Morrowind. Which was the last game that actually had a lot of depth in the game mechanics. And no, I am not just talking about "why can't I hit this enemy in front of me!" because it had stats working in the background. I am talking of magical effects, of which some could be even permanent if the player didn't fix those in time! Which mad fighting certain enemies, even with higher leveled characters a challange. Or in turn, allowed the player to be very succesful if he knew the right spells.

But even if the Perks in Fallout 4 have some depth to it, it doesn't really change that pretty much all of the things you get in the game are combat related, either directly or indirectly.

Well I can't argue with that, I am just trying to say its more in depth then the leaked "Full List of Perks", because in actuality the Perk Chart is far from being fully revealed, unless more ranks got leaked and I missed it.

However yes, I understand, it is becoming more like Far Cry. It is basically Far Cry 4 in terms of character progression and customization.

No Morrowind is Bethesda's last true RPG, their is no question to be had with that.
 
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But Far Cry is very popular and we gotta keep ripping off other popular franchises in order to get their demographic and money. Why be original or keep true to what made the series so loved? We need to compete with CoD damn it!
 
Then they should keep the survival elements since those are popular right now. Bastards. :mad:
 
Then they should keep the survival elements since those are popular right now. Bastards. :mad:

Gets in the way of the power fantasy. Remember nobody likes to think or have to deal with their actions having consequences. They want to be Badass Jesus Man/Women who is badass and can mow down everything in their way at level 1 because they are special and a badass who can do no wrong and their actions have no consequences for them.
 
Well I can't argue with that, I am just trying to say its more in depth then the leaked "Full List of Perks", because in actuality the Perk Chart is far from being fully revealed, unless more ranks got leaked and I missed it.

However yes, I understand, it is becoming more like Far Cry. It is basically Far Cry 4 in terms of character progression and customization.

No Morrowind is Bethesda's last true RPG, their is no question to be had with that.

I think the most up-to-date info is here: orcz.com/Fallout_4:_Perk_Chart

I haven't gone through it completely, but it looks like a number of the perks that start with boring flat damage bonuses eventually add some kind of gameplay effect at higher ranks. But then you have things like 4 ranks of "find more ammo in containers."
 
But Far Cry is very popular and we gotta keep ripping off other popular franchises in order to get their demographic and money. Why be original or keep true to what made the series so loved? We need to compete with CoD damn it!

Yeah.. because CoD and Fallout 4 have so many similarities...
 
But Far Cry is very popular and we gotta keep ripping off other popular franchises in order to get their demographic and money. Why be original or keep true to what made the series so loved? We need to compete with CoD damn it!

Yeah.. because CoD and Fallout 4 have so many similarities...

I know like the God awful first person shooting mechanics in a RPG that never had it in the first place and the running and gunning type gameplay where can can go running in blindly without any thought or strategy. :wink: Anyway I'm hitting the hey but I'll have fun and humor you when I get up. If not the others will.
 
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But Far Cry is very popular and we gotta keep ripping off other popular franchises in order to get their demographic and money. Why be original or keep true to what made the series so loved? We need to compete with CoD damn it!

Yeah.. because CoD and Fallout 4 have so many similarities...

I know like the God awful first person shooting mechanics in a RPG that never had it in the first place .

Get over it, this is now Fallout.

Whether Obsidian or Bethesda makes one it will always stay a FPS.
 
"get over it" best response to ciriticism of a product :) Horray Fanboyism!

Complaining that it is first person is no criticism but just whining. It has been First person for 7 years and we all know that's never going to change.

New Vegas, you all like is even first person. That proves that the problems you have with Fallout 4 are not related to whether it is top down or not.

So yeah, he should get over it.
 
"get over it" best response to ciriticism of a product :) Horray Fanboyism!

Complaining that it is first person is no criticism but just whining. It has been First person for 7 years and we all know that's never going to change.

New Vegas, you all like is even first person. That proves that the problems you have with Fallout 4 are not related to whether it is top down or not.

So yeah, he should get over it.

Who says we praise New Vegas for having FPS combat? Many of the user here criticize it as one of the games few flaws but in terms of story, dialogue and lore it is the closet we will ever have to a worthy successor, sequel and RPG in Fallout.
 
It is skyrim with guns, I knew it. Why do they insist to copy and paste everything?

Dude they have created a huge, dense open world with lost of diverse areas, more linea of dialogue than ever and you complain about copy/paste?
You are exactly the people Bethesda is catering to. Shame.

They literally made a huge world with tons of different locations... are you denying that?

Yes, evidence makes out that the map is a lot smaller and more repetitive. You were saying?
 
I like New Vegas, doesn't mean others don't have the right to not like the FPS elements that has been added, specially because before Bethesda got his paws on it the game had zero intention of being an FPS, and the first fans never asked for it to become one. I can empathize with it, hell New Vegas needs it's good share of modding for the combat to even be good and Fo3's combat is even worse, so not only did Bethesda force a genre shift on the series and the original fans, but it didn't even bother to have good FPS combat.

But who am I trying to discuss with? You keep insisting Fo4 looks as good as Witcher 3 and you keep making excuses for it at every turn, even about the suicidal AI. So whatever.
 
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