TheHouseAlwaysWins
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
The bigger question is why you're visiting one of the worst communities that exist on the internet.
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
The bigger question is why you're visiting one of the worst communities that exist on the internet.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
My soul has been trapped on that website longer than I've been using this one. I'm not exaggerating when I say I honest to God loathe that place and every single fucker in it, but I cannot for the life of me bring myself to leave it.
At least /tg/ is pretty cool.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What for, exactly? This forum turned into shit after great exodus in 2013-2016, when Sander and Tagaziel drove away big chunk of older userbase. Now it's pure shitfest, mostly kids fighting their own strawmen to no end.
TheHouseAlwaysWins
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Cut that website out of your life cause the hate machine isn't going to do anything to improve your worldview or really anything. I got really about a handful of good albums from /mu/ out of my 3 years there and that was about it. You are better off finding a community on another place online or finding something IRL that's more helpful and productive to you personally.
I have a bunch of internet friends who used it and the ones who got addicted to it almost all became messes later.
Not really. Probably other places on the internet thats better for talking about P&P
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
What was the deal with all that drama? I dipped out of here for pretty much from the second half of 2016 right up until the first half of 2018. I heard Tagaziel left and there was some minor drama over it, I see these days he posts a lot on Reddit making lore stuff and justifications for Bethesda Fallout and shittalking NMA whenever it comes up.
He and Sander abused their admin rights, basically (well, Sander did IIRC, Tagaziel was just...there. But he did agree with Sander in general, and they supported each other in various discussions). Few people got banned, some of which didn't deserve it at all, and they were banned because they expressed opinions different than those two - some of them did it in rude manner, some were respectful, but there were innocent casualties.
The whole drama was because of Gamergate/political correctness/what not at the time, of course. The two represented what you would popularly call SJW part of the spectrum, though to be honest, I've forgotten the details because most of it was inane crap. Strings of endless discussions and diatribes between opposing views that ended sadly and (if you ask me) unprofessionally, since these are admins we are talking about.
This alienated parts of NMA and some of people called them out on their bullshit behavior, from NMA newbies to oldies and Orderites. These two left (though they didn't lose their admin positions for all I know) and didn't come back since, at least not for any significant length of time. Banned people stayed banned. From what I know, some of them, like Akratus, moved on to RPG Codex. There was badmouthing of NMA here and there, people got upset yadda yadda yadda
All in all, it was pretty hectic and ugly. At least two users I recall didn't deserve getting banned were banned simply because they offered different opinions. Some of them tried to get banned tho, out of spite or whatever. Like I've said, ugly and unnecessary, but then again, it was just part of the wider trend throughout the web post-Gamergate with communities getting divided. Unfortunately, NMA got sucked into that too.
In any case, that is part of the past and valcik is blowing it out of proportions. "Big chunk of older userbase" didn't leave because of Sander or Tagaziel's shenanigans or whatever, nor has NMA turned into shit. I don't think anybody left because of that specific event, actually, aside from Sander and Tagaziel. I could be wrong, but them and banned people aside, nobody else cared that much to leave.
(Though to be fair, that overall period was kinda tumultuous with endless political shitposting which caused many people to leave, come back, leave again, get banned for justified reasons and so on and so forth. But that was a wider picture that lasted for years - the specific Sander/Tagz controversy was much, much shorter, but was quite poignant, so it stuck and kinda painted the whole period, despite generally being only a smaller element of a wider issue).
As you yourself say, it was minor drama all in all. If it didn't have political connotation to it, it would've been forgotten by now.
And yeah, Tagaziel is apparently an Bethesda apologist or something now, and from what I've heard, he badmouths this place on an occasion. As if being a furry wasn't bad enough. It's sad, really. He was a pretty cool guy before all that politics bullshit, and was a walking encyclopedia of Fallout lore, and was massively critical of Bethesda and bullshit in the series in general. There were awesome analyses of his on The Vault, dealing with various aspects of the lore and setting. But that was way back when, and I guess those have been deleted or forgotten by now.
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Part of the allure of drama is to emphasize the drama of the drama. Every forum has drama, and some dramas are so.... christ-allmighty-boring, for a year or two I used to frequent the Liveleak forums, and there were a couple of threads where it just _never ended_, some lefty sperglord vs some righty sperglord, and they'd just spar it out every goddamn day, all day, back and forth, non-goddamn-stop
we have similar here, although nowhere near that level of obsessiveness, but arguments back and forth, little flare-ups of old debates and stuff, but my goooooooooood how boring ongoing dramas can get.
I really wish people'd just wake up and go online, with the 1995 attitude of it, like "Oh my, the marvel of interconnectedness! I wonder what strangers I will get in touch with today, maybe we will have fun things in common, maybe we like the same movies - there's a whole world of oportunities out there! Hi there friend! Care To Chat?"
we have similar here, although nowhere near that level of obsessiveness, but arguments back and forth, little flare-ups of old debates and stuff, but my goooooooooood how boring ongoing dramas can get.
I really wish people'd just wake up and go online, with the 1995 attitude of it, like "Oh my, the marvel of interconnectedness! I wonder what strangers I will get in touch with today, maybe we will have fun things in common, maybe we like the same movies - there's a whole world of oportunities out there! Hi there friend! Care To Chat?"
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Who says people don't do that anymore? They just don't do that here on NMA anymore. Also Atomkilla is a babyfaced limp-wristed kid jerking off 24/7.
I'm on other places than NMA, you know
I'm on other websites, but I'm also in reality, like, I'll zoom around in my city and stuff. It's easy to forget, we're more than the little tag and the avatar and the signature, and that whole thingMy impression is that there is comparatively little *sincere* chatting-up, like it was back in the IRC days, where one would litterally be all "wow, you're in Chile? That's mindblowing! Do they have cars in Chile!?"
Last time I got randomly chatted up was allready a decade ago, when I'd get these short waves of horny turks on my Hotmail, just HOPING i was a sexy chick, out of the fuckin blue.
TheHouseAlwaysWins
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
GG to this day is something I don't think i'll ever fully understand TBH. A shitstorm of epic proportions over literal who's from some indie games.
The main outrage was more about games journalists and some shady practices. Zoe Quinn was more of a catalyst, but the subsequent media-self-defense-campaign on her really pissed people off and led to people becoming hypersensitive to any political content in video games.
TheGM
The voice of reason
I don't even remember any of this at all. I know I have long spurts of not posting here but damn.
I didn't expect anything less from you, my sweet, sad, little friend.
There's not much to remember. It's a hot balloon blown out of proportions.
I'll just add to what Hass said that GG made every sort of thing crawl out of the woodwork - whether left or right, this was a general shitstorm on every front.
If you ask me, GG is just another symptom of a global failure of discourse in 2010s following the advent of social networks and media. Communication and discussions as we know it (or at least, the way that they should be) are an endangered species in a world where farting out your opinion online in 140-characters to get validation is more prized than providing a proper and well-constructed argument for anything. Differing opinions are shouted down, quantity of likes, retweets and shares is in greater demand than lack of logical fallacies.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
GamerGate ended up being a weird grass-roots social movement. The problem was that the social issue was lonely horny gamers being very angry that they were horny and lonely, and the movement was being abusive dickheads to people on Twitter. A malignant fucking tumour in the brain of internet culture that we still have to put up with the residiual vomit crust afterwards.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Yep, I just jumped over to Codex in 2013, right after NMA started reminding empty radioactive wasteland after the cleansing done by new admins. I'd like to see drops and spikes in NMA traffic for 2013-2016 though, too bad none of present admins can do that. Anyway, wouldn't call it "drama" at all and I never considered it to be connected with Gamergate or anything, despite what this limp-wristed babyfaced wanker Atomkilla wrote. These kids masterbating 24/7 live in their own strange world..
That's very grumpy-old-man of you valcik, not to mention definitely mature and not at all like some little gamer-kid trying to hi-five other gamer-kids! How old are you anyway? 55?
The fact that you don't consider it related to GG just shows how little you know of the actual event. I don't even recall seeing you taking a stand against Sander back then, unlike lots of us who did. Then again, my memory might be fuzzy, but this statement of yours shows how oblivious you are to the actual events.
"New" admins...Both Sander and Tagaziel were admins for at least 5 years before that (I think Sander was an admin for much, much longer), which is hardly making them new, and only shows (again) how little you know of any of this.
And I'm the one "masterbating" in my own strange world...
Also, not that your occasional barks mean anything to me except for some mild amusement, I'd appreciate if you would stop making them, for your own sake - it really makes you look like a juvenile troll getting a kick out of supreme trolling and internet offense. For a grown-up man you purport to be, that is really sad.
I know you dislike me for whatever reason, and I don't really give a shit about that, but the fact that you do have this trollhate boner for a random Internet person after all this time is really, truly sad.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The purge started before 2013, kiddo. Thought I made it pretty clear in previous post, and what you recall or don't recall doesn't matter to me at all. FYI, Gamergate started much later than 2013 anyway, so ask yourself how retarded anybody trying to connect these things together really sounds.
And you really don't expect I'd share true personal informations in this place, do you?
Okay, thanks for letting me know. Your replies do imply something very different, so I would never have guessed. Just let me know when you stop masterbating, will you?
When you are in Rome..
And you really don't expect I'd share true personal informations in this place, do you?
Go read older threads then. Tagz and Sander's shitshow started mid-2015.
There was no "purge" before that simply because they were hardly active at the time. I'd even say before 2015 (and GG is 2014 btw) NMA was at one of its all-time highs.
Whenever you tell me to stop, baby. You just love that load of mine on your face, don't you?
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Heh heh heh
That was quite mature, wasn't it?
Anyway, enjoy your day, valcik.