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zegh8578 said:
Doomsdayprepper, I got the Challenger 2 as a glue-together model kit. I followed instructions to the letter! Two other models I have are the Japanese "Type 90" which is interesting in having no sloped armor, very boxy shape, as well as the übersome Leopard 2
The latter two I even painted according to instruction, like a fuckin pro!
They're the only models I got, and was a result of 3 months without internet... :D
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Hm. Might get some of those.
But! Those are all "Generation 3" tanks, awesome as they are, I am curious what the future holds. MBTs were once considered on their way to becomeobsolete, but that is obviously not true, as they still have a place in the battlefield. Not necesarily in the "tank waves" we've seen before, but as "support mammoths" of sorts, alongside IFVs
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Interesting question.
MBTS will still have a role on the battlefield for a while, but a gradually decreasing one due to the advent of things like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator which fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire.

I still think they will be used alongside IVF's, but not as much as they used to be. I think drones will take over from tanks. Support mammoths are just not practical anymore, they are easy targets for enemy airstrikes from things like helicopters and drones, and can be damaged or destroyed by weapons like RPG - 29's and the FGM-148 Javelin.
I suspect the drones be used more, because they are much cheaper, they can be more effective, it is way easier to train up a drone pilot than a tank crew, and when a drone gets shot down, nobody dies, unlike an entire tank crew of maybe 4-5.

This is the result of a Hellfire missile hitting a tank:



@zegh8578 Feel free to talk to me about any more military related things or ask any questions, I enjoy these conversations.
 
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I recommend model kits if you like tinkering

I love the imposingness of them, like, you see the finished thing on the cover and first impression is "how the hell am I supposed to build that!?" like a battleship or something, but as long as you follow the instructions it is absolutely a walk in the park, it is comfortable and relaxing, and watching all the pieces come together and take more and more shape is very rewarding - not to mention looking at the finished thing, and seeing that it looks pretty much like the real thing!
Granted you followed the instructions :D
Important: Trust the glue! You don't even need a drop, only a *touch* of glue, like a small lil bubble. That way you avoid glue being squashed out from between pieces. People tend to think "surely, I need more" but you don't, and visible glue looks awful. You need only a TINY bit of glue per piece, that way all glue dissappears completely between pieces, and your finished model will look flawless!

Doomsdayprepper said:
@zegh8578 Feel free to talk to me about any more military related things or ask any questions, I enjoy these conversations.
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Heh, I'm more of an "applicable" military interested, as in, I study it so I can "use it" in my fiction projects. But sure, feel free to bounce back any observations I might make about military applications!

Just now I am in fact imagining a futuristic military that lacks oil. I'm imagining 2000 years into the future, a world depleted of both oil and manpower. Oil is not entirely gone, but oil is also not everything, for example kerosene - or even alcohol can fuel engines, but I imagine horses making a return - especially in poorer countries.
Poor-country soldiers could therefore resemble mounted riot police:
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zegh8578 said:
I recommend model kits if you like tinkering

I love the imposingness of them, like, you see the finished thing on the cover and first impression is "how the hell am I supposed to build that!?" like a battleship or something, but as long as you follow the instructions it is absolutely a walk in the park, it is comfortable and relaxing, and watching all the pieces come together and take more and more shape is very rewarding - not to mention looking at the finished thing, and seeing that it looks pretty much like the real thing!
Granted you followed the instructions :D
Important: Trust the glue! You don't even need a drop, only a *touch* of glue, like a small lil bubble. That way you avoid glue being squashed out from between pieces. People tend to think "surely, I need more" but you don't, and visible glue looks awful. You need only a TINY bit of glue per piece, that way all glue dissappears completely between pieces, and your finished model will look flawless!
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Thanks for the advice :grin:

zegh8578 said:
Just now I am in fact imagining a futuristic military that lacks oil. I'm imagining 2000 years into the future, a world depleted of both oil and manpower. Oil is not entirely gone, but oil is also not everything, for example kerosene - or even alcohol can fuel engines, but I imagine horses making a return - especially in poorer countries.
Poor-country soldiers could therefore resemble mounted riot police:
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I am not sure about them resembling riot police. Silicon gun oil would still exist, and henceforth guns, so the poor horses would just get torn up.
Its not really practical to ride a fleshy living being that might spook in the age of noisy metal projectiles flying through the air at supersonic speeds.
I certainly dont think Kerosene or Alcohol will be used. They dont last very long at all, and it would take absolutely huge amounts of Kerosene to power an IVF for 10 minutes. They would have to drag barrels of it everywhere.
The US Military is actually currently turning to more sustainable fuel sources. Not because they are stewards of the environment, but because the current fiscal tightening has forced them to.

I think the future is in hybrid electric power. In fact, they are already using it, the proposed replacement for the Bradley Fighting vehicle is powered by gas/electric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCV_Infantry_Fighting_Vehicle#Development
http://inhabitat.com/bae-systems-develops-hybrid-electric-drive-tank-for-the-u-s-army/
The US Military have also run a fighter jet on bio-fuel
http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/24230/GE-powers-fighter-biofuel
And solar powered backpacks
http://inhabitat.com/u-s-army-to-use-solar-backpacks-in-afghanistan/
 
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zegh8578 said:
I thought all they did was polish up (LOL!!!) old Soviet tanks!
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Can't blame you.
Poles are highly skilled though, there's another piece of modern machinery assembled in Poland in cooperation with Slovak military industry:
http://www.armyrecognition.com/idet...urret_fitted_on_rosomak_armoured_vehicle.html
The remote controlled gun turret goes from Slovakia, including 30mm gun; chasis and wheelframe is Polish. They've bought license from Finnish Patria and modified it slightly.
Nifty vehicle, all chrome and shiny. Poland stronk! We live, we die, we live again!
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
I am not sure about them resembling riot police. Silicon gun oil would still exist, and henceforth guns, so the poor horses would just get torn up.
Its not really practical to ride a fleshy living being that might spook in the age of noisy metal projectiles flying through the air at supersonic speeds.
I certainly dont think Kerosene or Alcohol will be used. They dont last very long at all, and it would take absolutely huge amounts of Kerosene to power an IVF for 10 minutes. They would have to drag barrels of it everywhere.
The US Military is actually currently turning to more sustainable fuel sources. Not because they are stewards of the environment, but because the current fiscal tightening has forced them to.

I think the future is in hybrid electric power. In fact, they are already using it, the proposed replacement for the Bradley Fighting vehicle is powered by gas/electric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCV_Infantry_Fighting_Vehicle#Development
http://inhabitat.com/bae-systems-develops-hybrid-electric-drive-tank-for-the-u-s-army/
The US Military have also run a fighter jet on bio-fuel
http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/24230/GE-powers-fighter-biofuel
And solar powered backpacks
http://inhabitat.com/u-s-army-to-use-solar-backpacks-in-afghanistan/
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We dragged barrels of kerosene everywhere, and that was Norwegian military (my draft) :D At least some form of kerosene compound. All our cars ran on it, no heavyer vehicles though.

Also, horses have allready been used around guns, through history. Because of the post-apocalyptic nature (of course) of my scenario, I imagine automatic weapons to be rare compared to hunting rifles and such types. I'm not quite where people need to resort to bows and arrows, but I'm not gonna rule that out completely either :D
The horses are not settled or anything though, I primarily imagine a bulk of infantry in most forces, and horses to be used for transport/civilian logistics

The alcohol I primarily imagine for civilian home heating as well (generators, a family can fuel themselves with a patch of potatoes, for example), although in any less-advanced force I imagine it could be used wherever alternatives are lacking. I work from a world population of 150 million, so the demographics are roughly 1/50th of the modern. The story begins in a civil-war fragmented future Norway, with various militias as small as 20 troops each, but usually 1-2 thousand each (allready a bloated size compared to the total population, similar to a viking-age over-recruitment)
 
What a dirty move! Must be aimed against Britons. Forcing any self-respecting gentleman to leave his house without trusty umbrella is simply outrageous!
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
Yeah Crni, that kind of attitude really doesn't impress me.
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Doomsdayprepper said:
Hm. Might get some of those.

Interesting question.
MBTS will still have a role on the battlefield for a while, but a gradually decreasing one due to the advent of things like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator which fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire.

I still think they will be used alongside IVF's, but not as much as they used to be. I think drones will take over from tanks. Support mammoths are just not practical anymore, they are easy targets for enemy airstrikes from things like helicopters and drones, and can be damaged or destroyed by weapons like RPG - 29's and the FGM-148 Javelin.
I suspect the drones be used more, because they are much cheaper, they can be more effective, it is way easier to train up a drone pilot than a tank crew, and when a drone gets shot down, nobody dies, unlike an entire tank crew of maybe 4-5.

This is the result of a Hellfire missile hitting a tank:

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Double p-

Doomsdayprepper said:
@zegh8578 Feel free to talk to me about any more military related things or ask any questions, I enjoy these conversations.
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TRIPLE POST?!
 
zegh8578 said:
Also, horses have allready been used around guns, through history. Because of the post-apocalyptic nature (of course) of my scenario, I imagine automatic weapons to be rare compared to hunting rifles and such types. I'm not quite where people need to resort to bows and arrows, but I'm not gonna rule that out completely either :D
The horses are not settled or anything though, I primarily imagine a bulk of infantry in most forces, and horses to be used for transport/civilian logistics
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Nah man horse charges died hundreds of years ago. Its just a bad idea to use them. If you shoot a horse in the right place with a hunting rifle, it will die. Perhaps in a post apocalypse for logistical roles if they don't die or mutate. Depends on what kind of apocalypse we are discussing.
Can you specify whether we are talking about the post apocalypse or just running out of oil, because I am getting confused.
We dragged barrels of kerosene everywhere, and that was Norwegian military (my draft) :D At least some form of kerosene compound. All our cars ran on it
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You used your cars in the military?
 
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Doomsdayprepper said:
Nah man horse charges died hundreds of years ago. Its just a bad idea to use them. If you shoot a horse in the right place with a hunting rifle, it will die. Perhaps in a post apocalypse for logistical roles if they don't die or mutate. Depends on what kind of apocalypse we are discussing.
Can you specify whether we are talking about the post apocalypse or just running out of oil, because I am getting confused.

You used your cars in the military?
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About horses in a post-apocalyptic (kinda) scenario. Bethesda already found the answer: HORSE ARMOR!
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valcik said:
What a dirty move! Must be aimed against Britons. Forcing any self-respecting gentleman to leave his house without trusty umbrella is simply outrageous!
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I wonder if they'd kick you out if you put an umbrella-tip on your trusty AR15 instead of a bayonet.
 
A future war without gasoline etc. would rely on the soldiers being tough. They would toughened up with harsh arctic training. Here's a clip of American soldiers training winter warfare in Finland. They haven't done much cross country skiiing but they'll need to master that stuff in order to survive during the long, cold nuclear winter.Refreshing winter swim in about 2:00 ->.

 
Found an interesting article on immigration (studies conducted by The United Nations and Eurostat):


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Funny seeing Cuba of all places on this map :lol:
 
^Reflects colonialism, Algeria for France makes sense, India for GB, Angola for Portugal - and indeed, Cuba for Spain

On different note, I am nerding up a list of Dinosaur taxa (I tend to have one that I update now and then, I lost it when changing computers, so, remaking it) and as much as the gigantic dinosaurs are the best known, and most fascinating, the average size was smaller.
If you imagine elephants as the current "gigantism" and, say, dog-size as the "average" of mammals, dinosaurs were about 2-3 times that norm, with an average of around 5-6 metres in total length, snout to tail, making them no taller than 2 metres, the height of a tall person.

This is still big, to our mammalian standards, like I said, 2-3 times of the current size-norm, but still - imagine even within Sauropods (the "long-necks" for you lay-men), the average size here seems to be between 10 and 15 metres body length, while this sounds enormous, it's nowhere near the sizes we expect from the giants like Brachiosaurus, featured prominently in Jurassic Park
Hypselosaurus, a Sauropod common in Cretaceous France would be roughly the size of a white rhino+long tail, and fully grown as such. While quite big, it's not exactly towering!

There are also size-trends. Some of you nerds might allready be aware that we divide the Mesozoic into 3 periods, Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous. It appears as if a rapid increase in size marked both the end of the Jurassic, as well as the Cretaceous, with a collapse directly after the Jurassic, probably a result of the rapid growth (Sauropods, mainly, likely becoming too damn big to even be sustainable anymore)
Early Cretaceous, immediately following the Jurassic end, looks almost like the dinosaurs are starting all over again, with very small and discrete average sizes down to 2 metres body-length, we're down to dog-sizes now!
By the mid-Cretaceous, they have re-grown their gigantic sizes

Now, despite the average size being much more humble than we expect, certain landscapes were still dominated by gigantism, with secondary biotopes seeming to exist *around* this, for example, one can imagine a whole range of specialized carnivores following giant Sauropods around, in order to eat their eggs, their newborn, their young, their fully grown - and their dead-from-age. Many Jurassic carnivores seem to show signs of high specialization, but as with most things behavioral, we can only speculate when it comes to fossils

/dinonerdism
 
Even the mainstream media is full of Pokemon Go - stuff and people are screaming about it. Personally I don't care, I'm actually glad Nintendo has a hit game. This could be among the biggest video game hits of all time, or cell phone game hits. I see the players moving around at the city, they congregate around churches because those are supposedly special buildings in the game. Wonder if the game makers have a hidden religious agenda.
 
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