Girlfiriends and Love

I had something similar to that a few years ago.... there was a girl i really liked and we were goin pretty good untill it got complicated all of a sudden - old boyfriend issue - and I didn't do anything. I knew that whatever was going on with the other dude was gonna end (which it did) so i figured she'd want to pick up where we left off. Instead, she just avoided me. I didnt do anything partly becasue i thought that at the least we would still be friends and we could hang out and party. Ended up I saw her like once in the last 2 years. I've since moved on to other girls and last i saw she found some dorky looking guy.

It's not a big deal now... but after she broke it off with the ex and didnt talk to me at all.... i really felt shitty for a long time.

So if you really like that girl you have to be proactive. Don't avoid it because your friends - because if she feels to weird about it... theres a chance she wont want to keep the friend status for the same reason.
 
Definitely, that's a tough situation. Chances are, your friendships already over, at least the way it was before. Your only chance is to try to get more into dating her.
 
well i've just turned 17, and i'll give my little rave

i think confidence starts as a young age, i was born with bad eyes (+6.5, +7 is my script, i got Astigmatism and a slight (barely noticable squint - had surgery on it when i was 2) because of this and the current culture, and also to the fact i am 1-2 years behind in height and lack and muscle mass, i was in the shits from day dot. I've traveled to many places (lived in 5 places) and its always the same. As i'm into computers the nerd tag gets flung about, and wearing thick glasses i'm pretty sure you all know the rest of the names.

Now having this from day dot, i dont have anyone i could call a friend - never have, and quite probly it seems never will. Yes you can say the confidence is my own fault, but i feel i have no chance.
Because of my tagging, people automatically assume anti-social, so i never get invited anywhere so i turn out to be antisocial (as they "expected", ignoring the fact that they never gave me a chance.
I dont know anyone out of school and i dont see any of this changing, why would it.

Yes i've never had sex, yes i've never had a gf, never been in love and only made out with 1 girl under social pressure (it was one of those rare rare - only happened twice, that i was invited somewhere) and i feel bad about it as it still doesn't feel right.

As through this i have developed the mindset of not even bothering to think of possible relationships as i just dont know where to start at all and people keep re-enforcing my lack of self confidence. So i treat females like anyone else - which yes still at 17 people still give the bullshit about if you talk to a girl your interested in having sex with her (WRONG DAMNIT!). and so they start to keep their distance as they dont seem to want to run the risk of lowering their social setting, or are scared of the thought. Which leaves me pissed off with the guys and generally isolated, re-enforcing my lack of self confidence again.

a little over a year ago i moved cite (400 km away), in my last two weeks one of the girls in my grade admitted to liking me, and only had the guts to say it as i was leaving - as it didn't patter and put her mind to rest. She said shed liked me for just over a year, and i recall that she was always a bitch to me through that time - she said it was to hide what she thought. As it wasn't uncommon for girls to be bitches to me, there was nothing unusual. So how should i know whats what.

I dont see anything happening or me having sex anytime soon (as in the next few years), i dont know if its my fault or the people around me for putting me into the catch-22, but its happening. In writing this nearly a full tear developed - i hate my past, as past leads to present, i dont like my present, and i dont see any stars up ahead.

Hooah
 
PsychoSniper said:
For the past week, Ive been talking to this girl Ive known, and been buddys with (shes damn hot, too).
Friday we were hanging out when she jsut kisses me out of the blue. Needles to say, makeout oommences. And no she wasnt drunk.
Saturday, we hung out some more, and madeout a lot more. (didnt try to go farther, as she's a "good girl" for real, being freinds with her for a long time, I can confirm that)

Now heres where it gets weird. Sunday, she started acting like she regreted the past 2 days, saying that I 'caught her in a moment of weakness' .

Does anyone understand women ? I certainly fucking dont. The sad thing is she seems to be letting this ruin the freindship we had.


Mmm, yes, this happens.

The best thing to do is forget about it and move on with your friendship. Don't let things become awkward. You had your fun, move on and don't dwell on it.

It's either that, or your friendship is over.
 
grindedstone said:
well i've just turned 17, and i'll give my little rave

i think confidence starts as a young age, i was born with bad eyes (+6.5, +7 is my script, i got Astigmatism and a slight (barely noticable squint - had surgery on it when i was 2) because of this and the current culture, and also to the fact i am 1-2 years behind in height and lack and muscle mass, i was in the shits from day dot. I've traveled to many places (lived in 5 places) and its always the same. As i'm into computers the nerd tag gets flung about, and wearing thick glasses i'm pretty sure you all know the rest of the names.

Now having this from day dot, i dont have anyone i could call a friend - never have, and quite probly it seems never will. Yes you can say the confidence is my own fault, but i feel i have no chance.
Because of my tagging, people automatically assume anti-social, so i never get invited anywhere so i turn out to be antisocial (as they "expected", ignoring the fact that they never gave me a chance.
I dont know anyone out of school and i dont see any of this changing, why would it.

Yes i've never had sex, yes i've never had a gf, never been in love and only made out with 1 girl under social pressure (it was one of those rare rare - only happened twice, that i was invited somewhere) and i feel bad about it as it still doesn't feel right.

As through this i have developed the mindset of not even bothering to think of possible relationships as i just dont know where to start at all and people keep re-enforcing my lack of self confidence. So i treat females like anyone else - which yes still at 17 people still give the bullshit about if you talk to a girl your interested in having sex with her (WRONG DAMNIT!). and so they start to keep their distance as they dont seem to want to run the risk of lowering their social setting, or are scared of the thought. Which leaves me pissed off with the guys and generally isolated, re-enforcing my lack of self confidence again.

a little over a year ago i moved cite (400 km away), in my last two weeks one of the girls in my grade admitted to liking me, and only had the guts to say it as i was leaving - as it didn't patter and put her mind to rest. She said shed liked me for just over a year, and i recall that she was always a bitch to me through that time - she said it was to hide what she thought. As it wasn't uncommon for girls to be bitches to me, there was nothing unusual. So how should i know whats what.

I dont see anything happening or me having sex anytime soon (as in the next few years), i dont know if its my fault or the people around me for putting me into the catch-22, but its happening. In writing this nearly a full tear developed - i hate my past, as past leads to present, i dont like my present, and i dont see any stars up ahead.

Hooah

Get some cool clothes from a second-hand shop, black framed glasses, a guitar, and start singing sad songs about girls.

They'll be kissing your feet in no time. I've seen it happen.
 
Malkavian said:
Get some cool clothes from a second-hand shop, black framed glasses, a guitar, and start singing sad songs about girls.

They'll be kissing your feet in no time. I've seen it happen.

Seconded

hm... haven't I already said that in the busgirl-thread?
 
Probably.

Cool clothes, black framed glasses, a guitar, and songs about girls solve any problem.
 
Malkavian said:
Cool clothes, black framed glasses, a guitar, and songs about girls solve any problem.

It's been working consistently since Buddy Holly so I'd have to agree. Just don't go too over the top with the emo stuff.
 
Guitar? Bwahahahaha! Turntables are da thing, dawg! Word!

Or you could just save yourself some money, since all you need to get laid is a rope and a knife. Make sure you have a good lawyer for later, though.
 
Fyu-jon!!! said:
Nothing like joining the army to make you forget your issues.
No it won't, it could even cause more problems.

Grindedstone, I was in a similar position in high school as well, not the same, but similar. There are girls out there who like skinny dorky guys, trust me, my girlfriend thinks David Cross is hot. What you've got to do, is just talk to people. Doesn't matter what, find something of interest.

Of course Malk's suggestion works too, did something similar.

And you should look into joining some sort of club. I would suggest the SCA, because there are a lot of fun people to meet in medieval/renaissance recreation groups, and quite a few hot girls. On top of that, you get to release a lot of aggression by hitting other people with sticks.
 
Damn GrindedStone that was intense.

Cant agree with you enough Dove...your words are kind and filled with wisdom.

I have to agree no matter what the subject there are some members interested who are of the opposite sex. The first time I had a girl act nice to me that led to something more than words (not sex though) was from a girl I met in an anime club...and she was a total dork tomboy! There's someone for everyone...just bide your time.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Hmm, I need some advice bout this situation I'm in. The girl I said I liked before, turns out her life isn't going over too well and shes just not having the best of times. Whenever I ask her how her day was its always cruddy, crappy, etc etc. I've tried to cheer her up by, writing her poems, telling her how she sings well etc etc. But it just doesn't seem to be working. I also tried asking her if she wants to talk about it, but shes not opening up to me so I'm not gonna push it. I really like her but I'm kinda at a mental block on where to go on from here. Any advice would be welcome, thanks in advance.
Peace
 
in the process of moving i went from highschool to college (year 7-10 is highschool here, y11-12 is college) yeah i went out, got cool clothes, however i think my attitude thats developed from the years didn't just change in an instant, in college and this city in general people are more mature (well a bit more), which means for me i only get a little bit of crap from scattered individuals. So to the idea of going out and "being cool" wont work unless your attitude takes a full swing overnight. yes my year here has changed me for the better. I'm just letting time pass, 1 more year of school and i goto uni...

btw, i'm in australia.
 
It takes time. No one becomes "cool" overnight.

No one starts out cool, either.

Uh, 'cept me.

:cool:
 
Malkavian said:
It takes time. No one becomes "cool" overnight.

No one starts out cool, either.

Uh, 'cept me.

:cool:

And that's a good thing, Malk, at least you got your charm... because with the way you look, all you'd be getting by on would be sympathy and generosity. :wink:

The thing is confidence. If you are going after a girl to reinforce your weak ego, than you're probably doing it for the wrong reasons. Confidence comes from within. Skip the Buddy Holly glasses, get some contact lenses, start working out, and be cool. You don't have to be Mr. Popular. But you should feel good about yourself and be comfortable. Positive self-image really matters.

Girls generally don't come running if you are all "Oh won't please go out with me so you can boost my fragile self-image..... please!!!"

Rather you have to get the girls to come over you. You can flirt, but not to obvious. A lot of girls want the drama and excitement, so let them come after you. But to do that, you have to attract them.

Let's go back to the primative thing again. Ducks show off their plummage, sharks have to compete by strength, Rams but horns and in many other species the male has to show that he's got the goods the female wants. But it's often the female that makes the choice.

If you are advertising "loser" on your forehead than chances are the girl's going to see and treat you like a leper.

Often if you chase, you come on to hard, to desperate, and desperation is unattractive. Often a woman wants to win.

From the Tao of Steve-
Rule #1 of The Tao of Steve:
“Eliminate your desires. If you’re out with a girl and you’re thinking about getting laid, you’re finished. A woman can smell an agenda"

Rule #2 of The Tao of Steve:
“You have to do something excellent in her presence, therefore proving your sexual worthiness.”

Rule #3 of The Tao of Steve:
“After you eliminate desire, and after you’ve proved your excellence, you must retreat.”

Most guys blow it on the first, especially young guys. If you're in a pick up joint, the goal is to get laid. But in other areas it might just be that the girl is ok to have a conversation. Just talk. But without a desire to get her in the sack.

Rule 2 is easy.

Rule 3- is the trick. This is the bait and switch. You need to entice the woman to come after you. YOu need them to do the hunt. Because in the end, it's the woman who chooses (unless you use the Ratty method).

Now there could a fourth rule- Know when the moment is ripe. Getting close to someone is like climbing a mountain, but at a certain point you have to leap, and there is little time. If you don't leap, you're on the downhill slide, and forget it.

Ok, a few thoughts-
If the girl is having a crappy time of it, let her be, give her some space and be cool.

As for highschool girls/friends- incrediably confused and emotionally torn and twisted. Like you they are in between the challenges of still being kids and being adults, and they are just exploring their sexual idenity (a process that takes them well through college). THus expect confusion, even with the girls who are your friends.

Rule of Thumb- don't take it too seriously. Look, don't worry about definitions or where the relationship is going- especially in high school. In a few years you're not going to be talking to each other anyway.

If you play it cool and go with it than she's either going to comfortable with you because you are giving her space, of somewhat confused because you are not reinforcing her shallow vanity. If her vanity is shallow she's going to want it reinforced by knowing that you want her, and so she doesn't need to fool around with you- she's already conquered you with her young sexuality.

Seriously, the problem with most of you is ego and self-esteem, and the lack of confidence. Be cool. If it works out, great. If not, so what?
 
welsh said:
Seriously, the problem with most of you is ego and self-esteem, and the lack of confidence. Be cool. If it works out, great. If not, so what?

Correct.

However, it can be hard to say "so what" after you've seriously "fallen" for someone.

Not impossible, but hard. These things take time.

And it's important to make yourself realise that you must say "so what?" There is no choice in the matter. If you don't do that, you're putting yourself in a world of emotional hurt.

I've made that mistake, and been there, too many times. I'm glad I'm finally wising up.

But it's still going to happen. It happens to everyone.

Oh well. Such is life!
 
If you don't, you'll become a stalker and I might end up archiving your file at work.

Do.
 
Tacodog89 said:
Hmm, I need some advice bout this situation I'm in. The girl I said I liked before, turns out her life isn't going over too well and shes just not having the best of times. Whenever I ask her how her day was its always cruddy, crappy, etc etc. I've tried to cheer her up by, writing her poems, telling her how she sings well etc etc. But it just doesn't seem to be working. I also tried asking her if she wants to talk about it, but shes not opening up to me so I'm not gonna push it. I really like her but I'm kinda at a mental block on where to go on from here. Any advice would be welcome, thanks in advance.
Peace
Since it's statistically impossible that her every day is crappy, obvious conclusion is that her day becomes bad the moment she sees you.

Solution: Beat it. Stop bothering her.
 
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