Glittering gems of hatred, part II

Funny thing is ..yea they can sit here and bitch about Bethsoft this
Bethsoft that..but when FO3 is released every last one of them will be in line to purchase it and put about $40-60 in Bethsofts pocket.

They make all these silly little rants hoping Bethsoft will read it...LOL
They dont realise that, in Bethsofts eyes NMA is just a little fish in a huge ocean full of sharks. Nobody cares about what NMA feels is not Fallout enough, Bethsoft has the rights and the power to do what they want to FO3 and will do what they feel is right.

Id advise NMA to just give up and stop ranting about how you feel cheated as a Fallout fan because due to the negativity, arrogance and ignorance leaking out of these forums Bethesda has already disregarded NMA as...NOTHING..DOESNT EXIST..NOBODY!

Game franchises are the pimps and consumers are the hoes.. its been like that for a long time...so when FO3 is released we will see just how far you guy's pride goes, and youll be surprised to see how many of your so called loyal NMA fans will be so quick to leave here and register at the "Official Bethsoft Fallout 3 Forums! :wink:
 
bonanza said:
And thats why I wouldnt be to sure if its gonna be a flop, even if Bethesda rapes the franchise.
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Beth has Fallout 3, Fallout 4 and Fallout 5.
That's a good reason not to demolish the franchise -
but the value of the franchise depends on sales, not on quality.
Bad quality from fan view doesn't mean bad quality from everyone's view automatically.
And - until Fallout 4 or Fallout 5 will be released, several years will pass (considering Beth's developement speed).
A lot of time to tell new marketing stories and to prepare for the next guided hype.

LouisH said:
...and youll be surprised to see how many of your so called loyal NMA fans will be so quick to leave here and register at the "Official Bethsoft Fallout 3 Forums
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I'm not too sad about a special one of them...

The number will depend on Beth's ability to accept criticism, I think - and at that point Beth is sucking all days...
I expect that many NMA members will register at Beth's - but that doesn't mean they will leave NMA. They will fight against the enemy in his own territory :twisted:
 
Yeah, another great article, enjoyed it, although it took a while to understand some of the essential conclusions

But, like said, great article, and I think it's objectivity would also prove Beth all this isn't only about flames and causeless criticism. The only thing I would like to add is that there are also fans (like me for example) wishing a bit of innovation throughout the sequels, in small bits and pieces.
Big innovation, like mentioned in the article, leads in most cases to the losing of the bond to the franchise, because the final product with these big changes has too less in common with it's predecessor. A game has to evolve in small steps, just like evolution (Yeah, there was actually something between a fuckin fish and us as humanity).
But : Innovation is good, and for fans like me also essential. The important thing about this is only to find a compromise (like mentioned in the article^^), so both parts of the community are pleased with the result (although the conventional one is in most cases the bigger one). A franchise has to live to survive, if you keep slaughtering the same principe on and on again, just changing the plot a bit, costumers will begin to feel ripped off. Perfect example : Need for Speed (I don't know why people keep buying this shit as long as there aren't coming new changes)

I personally would welcome a 3D fallout engine, and even a first person sight because of the atmosphere - as long as it has a SPECIAL system, so the 1st person camera is mixed up with a top down sight in combat - but I fully respect the opinion of the community to keep it isometric. I don't think a isometric game is an outdated game, so I don't know where there is the point. As said, I personally wouldn't have a problem with 1st person.
This was only a example for innovation, or in this case maybe better called "change". The Zelda Community shows best how things like these can go wrong : Windwaker had a new graphicstyle - flop, oot was classic style with innovations - great seller, and now twilight princess being nothing other than a better oot, so there are a lot of people complaining there is nothing new, a bit disappointed. Still it was a success, sure it is the safer way to keep the principi of the predecessor, but you can always do it better by giving the sequel a little bit of new spice (without breaking the mentioned values of the franchise), at the cost of some risk, and exactly this is what I would personally wish for F3.

But at the actual state of affairs I would be more than grateful if Beth chooses to take the safe way, there are nearly 10 years of bitter waiting time at risk. They have enough opportunity to show their potential in F4, first they should focus on proving their loyality to the Fallout fanbase with F3.
 
taxacaria said:
but the value of the franchise depends on sales, not on quality.
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What? That doesn't make any sense.

taxacaria said:
A lot of time to tell new marketing stories and to prepare for the next guided hype.
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Sure, sure, sure, it's all in the realm of possibilities.

But you guys have obviously not been paying much attention to the general doubtful murmurings that surround Bethesda's Fallout 3. They ignored us *and* waited too long to do anything else, so now initiative is on our side, not theirs. If they make a shitty game without any basis for support, the chance of a flop is pretty big.

And no, that's not being a fan. That's being a realist.

You know what you guys remind me of? This:

On Fallout Brotherhood of Steel said:
It doesn't look half-bad, it looks whole-bad. Without a doubt it looks good enough to make a hit on the console gaming arena, though, and that's all you have to be concerned with. We, however, look at it from the other side.
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Many of us thought there was a big possibility for a hit for a Fallout-esque DA. And maybe there was. But the hype failed, the game fell true, despite being a DA-clone and delivering the same thing DA delivered. Yes, it was a bad game, but that never stopped anyone.

The defeatist attitude of "we're just a few guys" and "we don't stand a chance" is as realistic now as it was with Brotherhood of Steel. Bethesda has been kicked straight in the nads by the bad pr surrounding Oblivion and Legacy, and now it has to face a bunch of guys whose lack of support for the past attempt to "popularize" the game made it a flop.

But please do continue, tell me how we don't have a chance, how Bethesda's Fallout 3 is a surefire hit. It's always funny to hear people say the exact same thing 4 years after date. I'm sure this time around it's true, somehow.
 
It is certainly true that there is a lot of doubt right now, and I believe a lot of it is 'generated' by people who may be member or lurkers on such sites as this one.
One can run over to a 'mainstream' site like gamefaqs.com and check the Fallout 3 board there, and you'll notice that it's not exactly a positive outlook. There are Beth fanboys over there, sure, but they don't exactly provide strong arguments in the discussions.

Even on the (rather few) threads I've seen about Fallout 3 on the Elder Scrolls forum, there have been lots of doubt.

To be frank, I think Fallout 3 will sell quite a bit. I don't think it will be nearly as financially succesful as Oblivion however, and if they do 'dumb down' Fallout 3 as many of us are expecting, then I think the fan backlash will be even stronger than on Oblivion.
And the bigger they are, the harder they fall. :P

Of course, the real hype machine hasn't started yet, and when it does there will be many, many Beth fanboys crawling out of the woodwork. But yeah, the camp of Beth doubters are growing each day as well.
 
A fine read... Thank you Kharn. Keep'em coming!

By the way, have this article being discussed somewhere else yet?
 
Hello,

For me its not so much that I don't want to support a protest against Bethesda's current take on Fallout 3, rather that I don't know in what way I can help.

I would also like to ask what would be the most effective way, petitions almost never seem to work.
 
Endless Void said:
A fine read... Thank you Kharn. Keep'em coming!

By the way, have this article being discussed somewhere else yet?
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This part? No. I'm waiting for RPGCodex, RPGWatch and DaC to repost it.

If it shows up on other forums/sites, so much the better. But that's not my job. Word of mouth is your job. Uncle Fallout wants You!

The Dutch Ghost said:
I would also like to ask what would be the most effective way, petitions almost never seem to work.
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Helping is easy. Anything short from "attacking" other sites is good. Attacking other sites, including the BethSoft forum, is stupid and proves them right.

Spreading the word that Bethesda should expect a flop if they produce Fallout 3 wrongly is the key. "Wrongly" is a heavily debateable term, of course, but if people point that out, just point out that that's true, which is why we'd like Bethesda to debate it with us :wink:

Talk to site reviewers, post on message forums to discuss this article or something else, talk to the Star Trek guys to discuss their situation, go to fallout3.org once it solidifies, post on the Bethesda forum if you feel like it, post it on blogs, email it to people. Use this article as a tool, which is what it's meant to do, or don't and go out on your own.

Getting word-of-mouth and a general feeling that we should expect something from Bethesda, that they won't get away with producing a piece of shit like Legacy in the Fallout series, 's key.

Wooz said:
Banned.
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Hey man, that's racist.
 
I like the article. I'm not sure how it'll be received by the target audience, but it's a good try.

PS: Looks like I overlooked the fact that there's already a second page.

LouisH said:
Funny thing is ..yea they can sit here and bitch about Bethsoft this
Bethsoft that..but when FO3 is released every last one of them will be in line to purchase it and put about $40-60 in Bethsofts pocket.
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"They"? Who's "they"? Do you often walk up to people and start talking about them in the third person?
I doubt "they" will stand in line for Bethout any more than they stood in line for POS.


They make all these silly little rants hoping Bethsoft will read it...LOL
They dont realise that, in Bethsofts eyes NMA is just a little fish in a huge ocean full of sharks. Nobody cares about what NMA feels is not Fallout enough, Bethsoft has the rights and the power to do what they want to FO3 and will do what they feel is right.
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This is kinda the reaction I expected. LOL indeed.


Game franchises are the pimps and consumers are the hoes..
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Don't assume that everyone's like yourself.
 
Superb article. Should be required reading for anybody in the games industry, from the lowliest, freshly hired artist to the shitheads in marketing.

BoS already established a precedent concerning the consequences of giving Fallout fans the finger and trying to take some bastardized "Fallout" to an audience that prefers pointless button-mashing (that an ape can be trained to do) to a truly engaging game experience. Those that do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.
 
LouisH said:
Id advise NMA to just give up and stop ranting about how you feel cheated as a Fallout fan because due to the negativity, arrogance and ignorance leaking out of these forums Bethesda has already disregarded NMA as...NOTHING..DOESNT EXIST..NOBODY!
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Spoken like a true fanboy. How much is Bethesda paying you, kid? Or do you just like sucking corporate cock? If everyone were as lazy as you, nothing would get done. But I guess some people like to bend over and take it up the ass.

If only Bethesda would stick with Action/Adventure games, you'd find a lot less complaints. Instead, they give the fan communities of various different franchises the finger and build their way into the spite of many respectable people.

And I'd advise you stop calling the kettle black, nigger.
 
Really great read. The X-Com series is a great, yet sad example. God bless X-Com.

Looking forward to third part.
 
article said:
It is more likely that the fans will reject with outrage should Bethesda betray the fans who wish to see a game they have long look forward too, and have long been denied.
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They have long look forward too? Shouldn't that be "they have long looked forward to"? At least nothing spelchecking could have fixed.
 
SuAside said:
i'm amazed we're not seeing any "how do i refuel the car, lol" puns...
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I guess that's a similar to "where's caius cossades lol" from Morrowinders xD I myself got a bit confused with refueling the car too, but it's just a matter of logic thought, and paying attention to what we're doing (playing). :P
 
I think that this article should be printed , put it in an envelope and send it to the one in charge for Fallout 3 at the Bethsoft quarters.
 
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