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You just stated there was (their embrace of identity politics).

Fun Fact: both the Far Left and the Far Right in the United States have highly visible anti-Semitic streaks, for example

I said they both engage in identity politics, not that they both aim at the same targets or that it would lead to the same outcome. Mind you, people runing around complaining about bathrooms and screeching their lungs out about Trump, burning cars and smashing windows in and all that are silly and some are outright criminals, but they are not comparable with people that actually want a genocide or following an ideology that would lead to it, when you think it trough.

There is no KKK on the political left or even something that's remotely comparable with it as organisation, even if we take the Antifa, and sometimes people even compare BLM to the KKK which is absolute nonsense - not to mention that BLM isn't even a 'leftist' movement and just a civil rights movement at best. I mean, what would it mean if someone seriously tried to make the US into some kind of ethno state? If we follow some of the more popular right wing rhetoric/white supremacy ideas. Let's face it, there is no peacefull way to make that happen, regardless what some right wingers say or believe. This idea that it would be some kind of equivlance is missleading and historicaly grounded on extreme conservatives and right wingers building the left up as a 'scare-crow'. Hence why I usually like to get to the bare definitions of left wing and right wing ideology:

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]

Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]:p. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9][page needed] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]

Just to make this clear, yes there are shit heads, criminals, vandals and even terrorists on the left side and yes they do deserve the full punishment of the law, but I am not talking about individuals here but the ideology and the political spectrum. As a matter of fact, you will have a very hard time finding people advocating gay rights, same sex marriage, women's rights activists, anti-racists and civil rights activist to be on the right/far right campaiging for equality and social equality. It's stupid to call everyone a racist or all instutions racist, we're not living in the 1950s anymore, but it is also true that there are still a lot inequalities present and that discrimination is still a reality. It's simply silly to think there is some equivalency here, infact it's one of the oldest tricks in the book of the extreme right to paint the left as 'just the same' which they have to fight - aka: the extreme right is the answer to the extreme left!. For example, to be a leftist dictator you have to become authoritarian, where as authoritarianism is an inherent part of the right and they pose a much larger threat to our democracies, at least in the current political climate that's heavily polarized. I just want to remind you, that some right wingers voted against Paul Ryans health care 'reform', because it wasn't extreme enough for them, this is the kind of political spectrum we're really dealing with here, and neither Obama or Hillary are an represenation of the left or progressivism, Hillary is a neo-conserative and Obama a neo-liberal. Right now, the left has no real political representation in US politicas, the closest you might have are people like Bernie Sanders who rather qualify as Social Democrats. This alone highlights how far main-stream politics has moved to the right, where the Democrats today could qualify as the Republicans of the 1980s.

There is no equivalance between the political left and right and by just looking at the fringe groups within it and the lunatics on each side, it's completely distorting what those movements are where wel just end up with "The left is all for illegal migrants flooding us and the right wants secure borders!". But it's far far more nuanced than that, you can be a leftist and for secure borders too, but if people just want an excuse to spout their racist nonsense, well then they shouldn't be surprised if they are called out on it.
 
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Authoritarian behavior is not an inherent part of either wing of political thought. As for who's embracing it, right now the presence of the new authoritarian far left pretty much dwarfs their right wing counterparts. This new breed of authoritarian leftist has most of post-secondary education in their grasp. The equivalent nutcases on the right are comparatively powerless, relying on "grassroots" stuff in order to make ripples (see: Charlottesville march). As far as institutional power goes, the authoritarian left is absolutely winning lately and creeps like Antifa are a logical product of such a political machine - they need their shocktroops/"brownshirts", after all.
 
Posting about how easy it would be to assassinate politicians you dislike seems a bit dodgy tbh.

I'm just making a point about the typical Left leaning opinion which is often based on a mentality that has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with "feelers". I don't have a problem with Hillary or want her dead. I do know that I am right though.
 
Authoritarian behavior is not an inherent part of either wing of political thought. As for who's embracing it, right now the presence of the new authoritarian far left pretty much dwarfs their right wing counterparts.
How, and where? Do you want to tell me that Bernie Sanders is equal to Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan? Omg! There is someone who wants to tax rich people! BURN THIS EXTREMIST! AMERICA IS GOING COMMUNIST! let us be serious for a moment, you have to dig really hard to find extreme leftists and marxist or their ideas in the US runing anything and they are not even close to any political position or power. The last time I checked, your government decided to cut taxes, cut on regulations, increasing the military budged and creating a right wing cabinet under a republican president. Also, the US society becoming more open, inclusive and equal isn't a 'left culture' winning, it's simply put minorities demanding their rights, but hey if you want to blame same sex mariage on the left I am not complaining. But there is this old saying that if minorities demand equality those that enjoyed a privilige perceive it as opression.

Again, stop to focus only on frindge movements and lunatics those have no real political power.
 
How, and where? Do you want to tell me that Bernie Sanders is equal to Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan? Omg! There is someone who wants to tax rich people! BURN THIS EXTREMIST! AMERICA IS GOING COMMUNIST! let us be serious for a moment, you have to dig really hard to find extreme leftists and marxist or their ideas in the US runing anything and they are not even close to any political position or power. The last time I checked, your government decided to cut taxes, cut on regulations, increasing the military budged and creating a right wing cabinet under a republican president. Also, the US society becoming more open, inclusive and equal isn't a 'left culture' winning, it's simply put minorities demanding their rights, but hey if you want to blame same sex mariage on the left I am not complaining. But there is this old saying that if minorities demand equality those that enjoyed a privilige perceive it as opression.

Again, stop to focus only on frindge movements and lunatics those have no real political power.

"Don't worry about the fringe movements and the lunatics"
Except they're the ones wrecking shit constantly. Of course I'm going to worry more about the ones on the extremes, they're the ones who have abandoned dialogue. I can still talk with a bog-standard right winger or left winger without them trying to hurt me. The extremists are the ones pulling the Overton window, however, and they're not responsive to dialogue. To ignore them is absolute folly.
 
I didn't say you shouldn't worry about it ... why is no one reading what I write? I know I write a lot and it can be tiresome, but I said several times that criminals and lunatics on the left have to be punished.
 
I didn't say you shouldn't worry about it ... why is no one reading what I write? I know I write a lot and it can be tiresome, but I said several times that criminals and lunatics on the left have to be punished.
Again, stop to focus only on frindge movements and lunatics those have no real political power.

I interpreted that last sentence as "stop worrying about them/focusing on them". As for the political power they wield, I reiterate that the extreme left has shacked up in post-secondary pretty thoroughly. I mean, look at what happened to the Evergreen State College. They had mobs with baseball bats patrolling the campus and harassing people.
 
Heh. The left was in power in the late 90's, it attempted to wreck the Bush presidency, and then Obama was the big one. Obamacare ring a bell?
 
I interpreted that last sentence as "stop worrying about them/focusing on them". As for the political power they wield, I reiterate that the extreme left has shacked up in post-secondary pretty thoroughly. I mean, look at what happened to the Evergreen State College. They had mobs with baseball bats patrolling the campus and harassing people.

And that implies that you shouldn't do something? I say it again, those idiots deserve to be jailed. Remember the context of the conversation we're having right now please, as I am talking about the political ideology here where it's not productive to always look at the fringe movements and lunatics, that doesn't mean they don't exist, but you overstate their importance in the political context. You're not going to change some gun laws, because of a few lunatics and fringe movements now, are you? And as far as the idiocy on some campuses goes, Universities have always been a source for a lot of ridiciulous stuff - go and google dadaism. But this doesn't mean that it is representative of the left idelogy or that those universities hold real political power and decide where the future of american policies will be decided, like the congress, senate, government or individual states, or that those few groups are now taking over America. Where do they have juristic authority? Can they make laws in a court? Are they having some politican speaking for them? Or do they enjoy some huge political support, can you name any famous democrat who supports those base ball swining groups or speaks on behalf of them? Again, all you're doing is looking at some individuals and lunatics and deduce that this is somehow exemplary of the current polarisation in politics and society, which is nothing more but a hasty generalization.

Authoritarian behavior is not an inherent part of either wing of political thought.
I would say it is more empeded in the DNA of right wing ideology than it is with the left, if you really want to 'preserve' the natural order of things and social hirachies, how else but trough an extensive force of authority can you achieve it? Again, do you know any popular right winger who marched for gay rights and was very good friends with civili rights movements who protested discrimination and opression?
 
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I know it is not a direct correlation but people like Hillary were heavily influenced by campus culture, which, from that time and onward, is predominately leftist. Hillary herself was a big fan of chuckleheads like Howard Zinn, put up on a pedestal by the educational establishment.
 
I would say it is more empeded in the DNA of right wing ideology than it is with the left, if you really want to 'preserve' the natural order of things and social hirachies, how else but trough an extensive force of authority can you achieve it? Again, do you know any popular right winger who marched for gay rights and was very good friends with civili rights movements who protested discrimination and opression?

Gay rights/minority rights aren't an authoritarian/libertarian thing necessarily (depends on what kind of rights you're asking for), if that's what you're implying. Indeed, many leftists today WANT extensive force of authority to impose minority rights in fashions that are absolutely authoritarian in nature. See: gay wedding cake case.

Anyway, back to guns and gun control and related topics: heard what happened in Lübeck, @Hassknecht - done without a gun. 14 people injured.
 
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why is no one reading what I write? I know I write a lot and it can be tiresome, but I said several times that criminals and lunatics on the left have to be punished.
I do! Kind of why I don't say much myself. Would be essentially paraphrasing you.
 
Gay rights/minority rights aren't an authoritarian/libertarian thing necessarily (depends on what kind of rights you're asking for), if that's what you're implying. Indeed, many leftists today WANT extensive force of authority to impose minority rights in fashions that are absolutely authoritarian in nature. See: gay wedding cake case.

I did not say that. Stop tripping me out.
 
Anyway, back to guns and gun control and related topics: heard what happened in Lübeck, @Hassknecht - done without a gun. 14 people injured.
Yeah. Turns out that banning guns doesn't really stop people from injuring and killing people. It makes it easier so that even the average american can rack up a good kill count, but generally it's more important to tackle the root causes of violence before cutting away individual freedom because of a few idiots.
 
Yeah. Turns out that banning guns doesn't really stop people from injuring and killing people. It makes it easier so that even the average american can rack up a good kill count, but generally it's more important to tackle the root causes of violence before cutting away individual freedom because of a few idiots.

My thoughts exactly.
 
I know it is not a direct correlation but people like Hillary were heavily influenced by campus culture, which, from that time and onward, is predominately leftist. Hillary herself was a big fan of chuckleheads like Howard Zinn, put up on a pedestal by the educational establishment.
Oh please ... let us consider the time Hilliary grew up in, with beeing born in 1947 she got her education primarily in the 1950s and 60s which was marked by women beeing second class citizens and some serious racism and apartheid shit going on in some parts of the US. This was during a time when the KKK was at its height, with segregation and the whole Vietnam-War conflict. A whole generation rebelled against the estabilshment, the racism and sexism of the 50s probably beeing fucked up about constantly listening about that they followed the so called 'best generation'. This had hardly anything to do with leftism spreading from the campus and the educational establishment fighting for it which was in fact very conservative up to the 70s. I quote:

Zinn was professor of history at Spelman College in Atlanta from 1956 to 1963, and visiting professor at both the University of Paris and University of Bologna. At the end of the academic year in 1963, Zinn was fired from Spelman for insubordination. His dismissal came from Dr. Albert Manley, the first African-American president of that college, who felt Zinn was radicalizing Spelman students.

Yeah, that doesn't look to me like the Universities have been on the side of leftists and civil rights movements right from the start at least and a huge enclave of progressive and leftist politics. A lot of the rebelling and narrative came from the students themselfs, who for the most part got taught the same stuff their parents did, and they simply started to question a lot of it, which coincidentally is something good students should do. Stuff like that gay people are sick or that women should be keept at home to raise children and the like. Interestingly enough we do see today an increase of conservative groups with university students as counter to liberal and leftist activism where they invite the likes of Shapiro and Yiannopoulos as speakers, which I personaly support since they have every right to speak, so yeah it really isn't just all one unified caball of one political ideal that rules over all and every facullty with an iron fist out there. Opinions today, are probably more diverse then ever before, which also somewhat reflects the type of media that people consume today. Leftist idealism and ideology definetly played a huge role in the 60s and the flower-power-movements, but it wasn't some kind of brainwashing of everyone who attended a university to become a screeching lunatic, people simply really started to questions parts of the establishment in the 60s as it was also the time where social sciences really started to kick in and doing some serious research in topics like institutional racism, albeit a lot of people probably also liked to take drugs I guess and enjoyed the music, heh.

I didn't grow up in that time, but just from historic events I remember this a bit differently where women and minorities had to fight really hard against the establishment during the late 50s and trough the 60s up to the point where the national guard had to make sure that black people could attend some collegues in the south, but I guess for that one was also kinda the educational establishment to blame for. I wouldn't be surprised if Eisenhower himself was a Soviet sleeper agent at this point ...
 
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Ah yes, the social sciences. The "sciences" that can't effectively replicate experiment results and are notoriously inconsistent and ass-backwards about how they arrive at their conclusions. The "sciences" that do a disservice to the term "science".
 
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