Gun Control

Yup, that's how it goes. If you're not with us you're against us, and that means you must hate fully hate me, and that means all I do against you would be morally justified because I'M DEFENDING MY FREEEDOOOOOOOM.
To be fair, I don't think he's quite, uh, "neurotypical" as they say these days, so there might be very little use in actually trying to argue anything with him.

Especially since Crni and these other Non-Orderite guys did the same thing to me on one policy issue. Bunch of *grumble grumble* zip tie around the *expletive deleted REDACTED* panty hose tourniquet.

I would like to add the King of Strawmen debates like my wife.
 
OMG Chomsky shut up please. You're seriously going to say the US Gov't would have deployed tanks and B-52s against the BPP on American soil? You're dumber than I thought you were.

"The 2nd is inapplicable because we're not at war, don't have slaves to control and the British aren't coming"

Done. I fucking laughed. He's serious, though, which is hilarious.
 
OMG Chomsky shut up please. You're seriously going to say the US Gov't would have deployed tanks and B-52s against the BPP on American soil? You're dumber than I thought you were.
The USA does not work like that. We send in people dressed like the opposition then cause chaos.


Reap it.

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No seriously I want whatever Chomsky smokes.

>The government would just have deployed tanks against the BPP
>That's why the government wanted to take away their guns

PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE

Seriously isn't Chomsky supposed to be really fucking smart/shrewd? How does one of the "great minds" of the Left make such a sloppy fucking argument?
 
Because he's just a human?

Nope. I just love the taste of hypocrisy in the morning. The ones crying bigot are usually bigoted towards those they think are bigots. Gun control though. Here is a prime example:
We had our conversations, you made your points clear I mine and I asked you several times to clarify some of your statements beacuse I found some of them confusing, like how my stance would change if I or someone from my family got raped by an migrant or something, and later you got again in a similar argument with Courier, about the different border policies of Dems and Reps, where you doubled down on some of your statements without clarifying them. Get over it and move on. I still think you made some racist comments. Does that mean you're an racist? I don't know. I know you're a good lad and I still respect you, there is that.

Look, I simply have the opinion that regardless how someone sees migrants, legal or not and borders, that we can still treat even illegal migrants with human dignity, that we shouldn't separate families from their children and support horrible policies that will do nothing to solve the issue, send those people back if you have to and if they have no right to migrate, but don't treat them right away like terrorists, rapists or something like that. I believe we should be better than that.

You know, I've seen some seriously fucked up shit in my life and I have been in some pretty dire situations my self where I even almost ended up killing my self, but I never ever blamed people I don't know for economic issues or other shit around me, I always try to see the individual in everyone, regardless if they are die hard communists, neo-nazis, right wingers, gun fanatics, arabs, legal or illegal migrants. I don't achieve that always, and hey just like everyone else I have my prejudices and I sure rant a lot. But still, at the end of the day, we're all just people. And all people deserve to be treated with dignity, simply because they are people.
 
Because he's just a human?

Well, yes, but he's supposed to be one of the Left's greatest thinkers and here he is making what I would call rookie mistakes (and the interviewer is softballing him so hard that he doesn't go "wait hold on" and challenge Chomsky on his inconsistency). It's one thing to be John Q. Average and be put on the spot by an interviewer, it's another to be part of the left's brain trust and come into a presumably-planned interview with rookie shit (and not get called on it). When faulty assertions go unchallenged like that they become dogma. You don't want dogma, you want reason on your side.
 
Now that I watched it, where did Chomsky say >That's why the government wanted to take away their guns ? As far as I understand it he's talking mainly about two points here, one using weapons against the state to get your rights and/or fighting the establishment - Black Panther movement and that it would be a useless endeavour. And the other argument is rather a philosophical one about force, government and who's controlling it and holding power. It would be nice, if you could point me to the direct line where he said, what you believe he said.
 
Now that I watched, where did Chomsky say >That's why the government wanted to take away their guns ? As far as I understand it he's talking mainly about two points here, one using weapons against the state to get your rights and/or fighting the establishment - Black Panther movement, and the other argument is rather a philosophical about force, government and who's controlling it and holding power. It would be nice, if you could point me to the direct line where he said, what you believe he said.

He didn't expressly say that, it's an inference on my part (based on what actually happened). Probably should have specified as such. If the Gov't was willing to escalate to tanks against the BPP then why would they go out of their way to attempt to disarm the BPP or anyone really? He said the BPP having assault weapons wouldn't help because the government would totally just escalate to armored vehicles rolling through cities to counter an armed BPP, which is ludicrous on its face. But think about it - why disarm someone if you can simply roll a tank or even some armored cav through to scare them shitless? Simple - the government DOESN'T LIKE DOING THAT. Good way to end up with some Tianenmen-style shit and some martyrs. On the OTHER hand, it's relatively easy and non-risky to disarm the BPP, as at the time they weren't terribly popular with the nation's majority. And why disarm the BPP unless you felt threatened by it somehow? Don't get me wrong, the BPP are radicals, but they had cause to be.

I actually find it really odd that Chomsky is basically willing to throw the BPP under the bus like that.
 
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Yeah well frankly, I don't know? Would be good if we could ask someone who was responsible for those policies and what their real motivation was. I am going on a limb here, but maybe the answer could be, because some people simply really didn't like the idea of a 'Godamn nigger!' holding a gun? It probably wasn't a decision based on rationality but rather fear or maybe even racism, which yeah is what we people sometimes do. We're talking about the 60s after all, you know where they used to attack black people because they performed a peacefull march as non-violent protest.
 
Yeah well frankly, I don't know? Would be good if we could ask someone who was responsible for those policies and what their real motivation was. I am going on a limb here, but maybe the answer could be, because some people simply really didn't like the idea of a 'Godamn nigger!' holding a gun? It probably wasn't a decision based on rationality but rather fear or maybe even racism, which yeah is what we people sometimes do. We're talking about the 60s after all, you know where they used to attack black people because they performed a peacefull march as non-violent protest.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was racially-motivated given the nature of the Black Panthers. Again, radicals, but there was ample cause to be so in the day. If I were a black person I would feel pretty fucking worried that the government wanted to disarm the Black Panthers. To be fair, they didn't enjoy unanimous support in black communities (they were apparently known for intimidating voters?), but still, there was some hinky shit involved with that particular gov't move.
 
I would say MLK kinda proved or at least reinforced Chomskys point on weapons to defend your self against the government, as there would have been no chance in hell for the Black Panther or any other 'extremist' movement of ever getting their rights with a viollent fire fight using weapons. MLK achieved a lot more trough peacefull protests and gaining the majority of people on his side with it.

*Edit but it must have been quite a sight to see some racist fucked up cop infront of a group of black people armed with guns taking no shit from them.
 
I would say MLK kinda proved or at least reinforced Chomskys point on weapons to defend your self against the government, as there would have been no chance in hell for the Black Panther or any other 'extremist' movement of ever getting their rights with a viollent fire fight using weapons.

Peaceful protests work nicely. They work better when there's the promise of something much worse waiting in the wings if peaceful protests DON'T work though. That implied threat of "We can do this the nice way or the nasty way" counts for a lot. Basically MLK was Good Cop and BPP was Bad Cop. As for the chances of the BPP, if it did escalate to firefights the point is that the BPP were prepared to make "the man" pay very dearly, and sometimes that's all you need - that promise that you will make something very costly in time, money and PR for the government to deal with.
 
ban all guns so i can use them

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I tut-tut in your general direction at my superiority, not due to race or anything, but due to my European sensibilities which are so hyper advanced that we shit pure 14k Gold Nuggets instead of Turds.
Poor Americans. Your trivial conflicts amuse me from my lofty perch, high above all the simple peons with their machetes and swords...our army of spycams has kept the populace remarkably docile despite repeated rapings with sharp objects and acids. You GUN NUTS and your TIN FOIL PARANOIA. The government only has your best intentions in mind, and it is not like you are actually going to do anything, right?

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Generally speaking, people on the right of center, are interested in property values - the rights and the rights of property. And generally speaking again – it's all generalized – the left-of-center people are more concerned with humans and human beings and human concerns; not the care and worry about property rights.

The planet is fine. The people are fucked. Because everyone is trying to save the planet. The planet doesn’t need that. The planet will take care of itself. People are selfish. And that's what they're doing is trying to save the planet for themselves to have a nicer place to live. They don't care about the planet in theory. They just care about having a comfortable place. And these people with the fires and the floods and everything, they overbuild, they put nature to the test and they get what's coming to them. That's what I say. That's what's happening, and I can't wait for the sea levels to rise. I can't wait for some of these cities to disappear.

There are places that are going to go away. The map is going to change and that's because -- people think nature is outside of them. They don't take into them the idea that we are part of it. They say, "oh, we're going for a nature walk. We're going to the country because we like nature." Nature is in here. [points to chest] And if you're in tune with it, like the Indians, the Hopis, especially, the balance of life, the balance, the harmony of nature, if you understand that, you don't overbuild. You don’t do all this moron stuff.

All your chanting, marching, voting, picketing, boycotting and letter-writing will not change a thing; you will never right the wrongs of this world. The only thing your activity will accomplish is to make some of you feel better. Such activity makes powerless people feel useful, and provides them the illusion that they're making a difference. But it doesn't work. Nothing changes. The powerful keep the power. That's why they're called the powerful.

This is similar to people's belief that love can overcome everything, that it has some special power. It doesn't. Except one on one. One on one, love is incredibly powerful. It is a beautiful thing. But if love had any power to change the world, it would have prevailed by now. Love can't change the world. It's nice. It's pleasant. It's better than hate. At least I am told.

So maybe it's not the politicians who suck; maybe it's something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: "The public sucks. Elect me." Put the blame where it belongs: on the people. Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Where are these people hiding? The truth is, we don't have people like that. Everyone's at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them. And complaining about the politicians.

The table is tilted, folks. The game was rigged from the start and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it.

There's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never be fixed. It's never going to get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've got... because the owners of this country don’t want that. I'm talking about the real owners now...the real owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice.

You have owners.


They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right.

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it.

I am perfectly willing to share the room with a fly, as long as he is patrolling that portion of the room I don't occupy. But if he starts that smart-ass fly shit, buzzing my head and repeatedly landing on my arm, he is engaging in high-risk behavior.

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RIP CARLIN. EDITED AND COMPILED FOR YOUR PLEASURE. This is my life philosophy. My Grandpa is exactly like Carlin actually.
 
So maybe it's not the politicians who suck; maybe it's something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: "The public sucks. Elect me." Put the blame where it belongs: on the people. Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Where are these people hiding? The truth is, we don't have people like that. Everyone's at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them. And complaining about the politicians.

"People tend to get the governments they deserve."
 
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I tut-tut in your general direction at my superiority, not due to race or anything, but due to my European sensibilities which are so hyper advanced that we shit pure 14k Gold Nuggets instead of Turds.
Poor Americans. Your trivial conflicts amuse me from my lofty perch, high above all the simple peons with their machetes and swords...our army of spycams has kept the populace remarkably docile despite repeated rapings with sharp objects and acids. You GUN NUTS and your TIN FOIL PARANOIA. The government only has your best intentions in mind, and it is not like you are actually going to do anything, right?

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sorry i hadnt taken my redpill yet
 
sorry i hadnt taken my redpill yet
That isn't how you use that word, it isn't a medication you constantly take. It's a one-time thing for each aspect of life that wakes you up about it. For example, now you're redpilled on islamic immigration, and why it's enabled so many terrorist attacks, fucktons of south koreans just petitioned the government to not accept any more.

And here's a little something for the rode.
 
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