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The first lines of his manifesto should tell you that this wasn't just ordinary rightwing extremism, it's more along the lines of paranoid schizophrenia.
 
Hassknecht said:
The first lines of his manifesto should tell you that this wasn't just ordinary rightwing extremism, it's more along the lines of paranoid schizophrenia.
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Well he wasn't like mumbling incoherently on the street flinging feces at passers by, he pulled off a very sophisticated armed attack that led to the death of many people. Maybe the stuff he wrote down is just a part of the plan, a kind of insanity plea, to take some of the heat off the extreme right wing cause that he wanted to promote with his massacre.

I think the German authorities are still looking for possible collaborators so, yea.
 
I'm just surprised that when a few days ago some guy shot another guy and hurt a few others in front of a comedy show in Berlin, nobody called for sharper gun laws or criticized comedy shows, or even put it on more than regional news. The guy who died was shot several times even after he was already dropped, properly making sure he stays down.
 
One guy taking a gun to a comedy show and murdering one and injuring several more. But it was kinda business as usual in Berlin in that particular scene, so it didn't really make the news.
But yeah, it's the perfect opportunity for our politicians to call for more Internet regulation. There have been pushes to force providers to hand out passwords recently, so perfect timing. Correlation makes no causality, btw., it's really just perfect timing.
 
Hassknecht said:
The first lines of his manifesto should tell you that this wasn't just ordinary rightwing extremism, it's more along the lines of paranoid schizophrenia.
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With lines in there which are directly taken out of right wing conspiracies (Der Große Austausch) and text passages which could be taken directly from speeches of Höcke. To say that it wasn't at the very least influenced by extreme right wing views and conspiracies would be to down play their current effect on our society. Because I meet people, in real live, which repeated "mild" forms of this bullshit.

One issue, of which many people warned about for decades, is that we're not facing the same kind of right wing terrorism and extremism like 30 years ago at the beginning of the 1990s with their base ball bat swinging. It is a lot more decentralised and organised in the internet with countless of smaller and bigger groups, chat rooms, facebook groups, with sympathisers and supporters, followers and countless of people that read their stuff. You have so called "alternative" news like Compact, Tichys Einblick and right wing publishers like Kopp spreading all kinds of conspiracy news. We've had for the last 30 years an increase in xenophobic and racist rhetoric, not only by the AfD but also some major publications - Bildzeitung. And people act now surprised that years if not decades of this stuff is now starting to get to some people with paranoid shizophrenia and similar issues?

Please. Hass.

Hassknecht said:
But yeah, it's the perfect opportunity for our politicians to call for more Internet regulation. There have been pushes to force providers to hand out passwords recently, so perfect timing. Correlation makes no causality, btw., it's really just perfect timing.
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Maybe it would be already enough to use the laws we already have and simply apply them. For example, people being punished based on our current laws for insults. The internet here in Germany never was and never will be an extralegal space. And I wouldn't mind if the authorities would at the very least get a grasp on what's happening in some internet groups as we can observe that more and more extremism (not just right wing extremism, but also religious fundamentalism and radical leftism) is happening over chat rooms, forums and Facebook groups. Being aware of the issue here is a good thing.​
 
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MutantScalper said:
Well he wasn't like mumbling incoherently on the street flinging feces at passers by, he pulled off a very sophisticated armed attack that led to the death of many people.
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Aren't you are a crazy people? so you should know about the misconceptions of people with mental problems. Terry A. Davis thought the CIA was sending people after him and drove all over the place to avoid them all the while building a full functioning computer operating system by himself. Just because somebody is nuts doesn't mean they're retarded.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
With lines in there which are directly taken out of right wing conspiracies (Der Große Austausch) and text passages which could be taken directly from speeches of Höcke. To say that it wasn't at the very least influenced by extreme right wing views and conspiracies would be to down play their current effect on our society. Because I meet people, in real live, which repeated "mild" forms of this bullshit.

One issue, of which many people warned about for decades, is that we're not facing the same kind of right wing terrorism and extremism like 30 years ago at the beginning of the 1990s with their base ball bat swinging. It is a lot more decentralised and organised in the internet with countless of smaller and bigger groups, chat rooms, facebook groups, with sympathisers and supporters, followers and countless of people that read their stuff. You have so called "alternative" news like Compact, Tichys Einblick and right wing publishers like Kopp spreading all kinds of conspiracy news. We've had for the last 30 years an increase in xenophobic and racist rhetoric, not only by the AfD but also some major publications - Bildzeitung. And people act now surprised that years if not decades of this stuff is now starting to get to some people with paranoid shizophrenia and similar issues?

Please. Hass.


Maybe it would be already enough to use the laws we already have and simply apply them. For example, people being punished based on our current laws for insults. The internet here in Germany never was and never will be an extralegal space. And I wouldn't mind if the authorities would at the very least get a grasp on what's happening in some internet groups as we can observe that more and more extremism (not just right wing extremism, but also religious fundamentalism and radical leftism) is happening over chat rooms, forums and Facebook groups. Being aware of the issue here is a good thing.​
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I'm not saying he wasn't inspired by rightwing propaganda, or that he wasn't actually some far right extremist, but he was, factually, batshit insane. Going bonkers on new laws because there are crazy people out there is not really the best idea, because these laws can and will be used against normal people.
 
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I'm not saying he wasn't inspired by rightwing propaganda, or that he wasn't actually some far right extremist, but he was, factually, batshit insane. Going bonkers on new laws because there are crazy people out there is not really the best idea, because these laws can and will be used against normal people.
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What ever if new laws will come or not remains to be seen and I am not saying I agree with everything here. One talking point though is why he had a gun in the first place as according to what I have read he shouldn't have get a permit anyway and maybe someone made a mistake here. No clue. But we have to wait and see I doubt that big changes will happen because of this once the emotions have cooled down.
 
TheGM said:
Aren't you are a crazy people? so you should know about the misconceptions of people with mental problems. Terry A. Davis thought the CIA was sending people after him and drove all over the place to avoid them all the while building a full functioning computer operating system by himself. Just because somebody is nuts doesn't mean they're retarded.
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Umm...is English your first language?
 
Crni Vuk said:
What ever if new laws will come or not remains to be seen and I am not saying I agree with everything here. One talking point though is why he had a gun in the first place as according to what I have read he shouldn't have get a permit anyway and maybe someone made a mistake here. No clue. But we have to wait and see I doubt that big changes will happen because of this once the emotions have cooled down.
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Yeah. The required mental health checks failed this time, but that's bound to happen. If a person is lucid enough to keep their delusions to themselves (and you'd think that a guy who felt spied out by secret agencies for the past 20 years would keep his true intentions hidden very well), what can you do? Not everyone wears their broken mind on their sleeves like MutantScalper. You can't really look into people's heads. Unless you want to go full-on surveillance dystopia with AI checking everyone's Internet traffic and matching patterns of speech and so on. And that surely isn't a power you'd want in any government's hands.
 
Hassknecht said:
Yeah. The required mental health checks failed this time, but that's bound to happen. If a person is lucid enough to keep their delusions to themselves (and you'd think that a guy who felt spied out by secret agencies for the past 20 years would keep his true intentions hidden very well), what can you do? Not everyone wears their broken mind on their sleeves like MutantScalper. You can't really look into people's heads.
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There is still a bit to much rumor out at the moment. I just mean that I've heard someone actually made a real mistake in giving him a permit because he was known for psychological issues? And some red lights should have appeared somewhere, no clue. Something like that. As I said, not sure. Just what I have read in some article. Could be bullshit. Some sources also claim the shooter apparently tried to file a suit at some police station against a hidden organisation trying to control the thoughts of people.

Hassknecht said:
Unless you want to go full-on surveillance dystopia with AI checking everyone's Internet traffic and matching patterns of speech and so on. And that surely isn't a power you'd want in any government's hands.
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Well authorities all around the world are trying to get their grabby hands already on face recognition for surveillance cameras in public - I know the police in Munich wants it. So I am sure this A.I. Webcrawling program looking for specific words would be high on their priority list as well once it becomes actually feasible ... We're looking at some dark dystopian future here mate.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Well authorities all around the world are trying to get their grabby hands already on face recognition for surveillance cameras in public - I know the police in Munich wants it. So I am sure this A.I. Webcrawling program looking for specific words would be high on their priority list as well once it becomes actually feasible ... We're looking at some dark dystopian future here mate.
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Indeed, so we really need to be very, very, VERY careful when the Law & Order dickwads utilize an attack like this to push for more surveillance. Don't be fooled when they say "it's just aimed against rightwing extremists". It isn't. It's aimed at everyone. Don't give them an inch.
 
Hassknecht said:
Yeah. The required mental health checks failed this time, but that's bound to happen. If a person is lucid enough to keep their delusions to themselves (and you'd think that a guy who felt spied out by secret agencies for the past 20 years would keep his true intentions hidden very well), what can you do? Not everyone wears their broken mind on their sleeves like MutantScalper. You can't really look into people's heads. Unless you want to go full-on surveillance dystopia with AI checking everyone's Internet traffic and matching patterns of speech and so on. And that surely isn't a power you'd want in any government's hands.
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This is the issue. The people that are doing the large attacks are often smart enough to not tell the doctor they feel like shooting up their local church because of the Negroes. If anyone has ever actually went to these doctors, they are practically useless.
 
Hassknecht said:
Indeed, so we really need to be very, very, VERY careful when the Law & Order dickwads utilize an attack like this to push for more surveillance. Don't be fooled when they say "it's just aimed against rightwing extremists". It isn't. It's aimed at everyone. Don't give them an inch.
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Well to be fair a lot of it was pushed with the "MuSlImS ArE DaNgErOuS!" narrative over the last decades which I also often said, guys you know those laws can be used against us as well right? ... and Before that? RAF! Leftist Extremist!

To find them demanding it to combat right wing extremism, well that is relatively new. You know the joke that our Verfassungsschutz (pretty much our CIA) is blind on the right eye but sees twice as good on his left one, comes from somewhere after all.
 
TorontoReign said:
This is the issue. The people that are doing the large attacks are often smart enough to not tell the doctor they feel like shooting up their local church because of the Negroes. If anyone has ever actually went to these doctors, they are practically useless.
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Was the Hanau attack terrorism in your view?
 
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