Gun Control

Crni Vuk said:
Well to be fair a lot of it was pushed with the "MuSlImS ArE DaNgErOuS!" narrative over the last decades which I also often said, guys you know those laws can be used against us as well right? ... and Before that? RAF! Leftist Extremist!

To find them demanding it to combat right wing extremism, well that is relatively new. You know the joke that our Verfassungsschutz (pretty much our CIA) is blind on the right eye but sees twice as good on his left one, comes from somewhere after all.
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Yeah. They finally opened their right eye. Doesn't make it better than their previous bullshit justifications, though.

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TorontoReign said:
If it was politically motivated it was terrorism. Considering a bunch of Kurds were killed I would wager a yes.
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Definitely. Wether he faked his way through the mental health checks or he faked his mental illness to have a potential get-out-of-jail card, he knew what he was doing and he was politically motivated.
 
TorontoReign said:
If it was politically motivated it was terrorism. Considering a bunch of Kurds were killed I would wager a yes.
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Funny that you mention that because Turkey apparently was all over this in their news papers about how the Germans hate all the turks. So suddenly the Kurds are their turkish people and not all terrorists either ...
 
Crni Vuk said:
Funny that you mention that because Turkey apparently was all over this in their news papers about how the Germans hate all the turks. So suddenly the Kurds are their turkish people and not all terrorists either ...
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Huh, you'd think they'd hail him as a hero. But I guess shitting on Germans is more important than celebrating a few dead Kurds in the long run.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...of-white-supremacist-violence-flowing-from-us

"Experts in global extremism say gunman’s comments on his website paralleled several recent conspiracies popular with American far-right"

"Globally, white nationalist attackers have targeted synagogues in the United States and Germany; mosques in England, Norway, and Christchurch, New Zealand; and a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, near the border between the United States and Mexico. Some attackers have described migrants and immigrants as “invaders,” as well as elaborating on the belief that a range of enemies, from Jewish people to feminists to leftists, are conspiring against the white race."
 
Wow, the conspiracy theorist read popular conspiracy theories. I'm shocked it came to that.
 
Hassknecht said:
Wow, the conspiracy theorist read popular conspiracy theories. I'm shocked it came to that.
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I guess the terrorist shooting doesn't shock you though...?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-prosecutors-say-hanau-shooter-had-a-deeply-racist-mentality/a-52443129

"Germany's attorney general has said the deadly shootings at two hookah bars were fueled by deep-seated racism. Investigations will focus on the suspect's possible connections, both in Germany and abroad."

"For hate's sake." :roll:
 
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I'm ok with an evolution of the 2nd. Which states that people should at all times have access to personal firearms.


However access does not mean ownership or ability to buy.

Let the lawyers figure that one out.
 
MutantScalper said:
I guess the terrorist shooting doesn't shock you though...?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-prosecutors-say-hanau-shooter-had-a-deeply-racist-mentality/a-52443129

"Germany's attorney general has said the deadly shootings at two hookah bars were fueled by deep-seated racism. Investigations will focus on the suspect's possible connections, both in Germany and abroad."

"For hate's sake." :roll:
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The shooting shocks me. That the killer, after it turned out that he was a conspiracy nut, was shown to have read conspiracy theories, does not.
I mean, this isn't a hard concept, even you should be able to understand it: There's no news in a conspiracy nut reading conspiracy theories from all over the world.
There's news in a guy going crazy and shooting up hookah bars, but writing a whole article about how he read theories popular in the US is a complete waste of time and, frankly, just not news. Of course he read that. Are people forgetting that the Internet is global? All sorts of shit is spread all over the world.
Dunno what you want to say with the last bit, apart from that you probably didn't read Moby Dick, and that you're angling for a full ban from NMA, which has rarely been given out for being a plain cunt, but you are really working hard on it.
 
People miss the point that society is a system and it's fucked up and this is what happens when it goes too far?

I don't want to feel like I have to be armed where-ever I go, but Ill tell you this. Gun laws and knife laws never made me feel more or less safe anywhere they were present.
 
I don't even know what the point here is anymore.
The guy was a rightwing extremist, and likely a paranoid schizophrenic that somehow managed to go through all the laws in Germany and still own a legal gun. And he used it.
What are we supposed to do now, @MutantScalper? What do you want us to do? Confiscate every single firearm in Germany and do not allow any new ownership? Heavily censor the Internet so nobody can read anything but government-approved information? Hunt down every rightwing person in Germany and hang them in the streets?
What is your point here? There's already talk about much stricter gun laws, there's demand for more police. The social democrats demand that the AfD is under surveillance by the Verfassungsschutz.
In the medial chaos around the Hanau shooting the government already passed the extension of the "Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz" so that threats, insults, and just general nebulous "hate" can lead to several years of prison, and somehow content providers like Twitter and Facebook are not only obligated to delete the content, but also save the IPs and port numbers by the users, and provide the passwords to the accounts to the police.
So.
What more do you want?
 
Hassknecht said:
The shooting shocks me. That the killer, after it turned out that he was a conspiracy nut, was shown to have read conspiracy theories, does not.
I mean, this isn't a hard concept, even you should be able to understand it: There's no news in a conspiracy nut reading conspiracy theories from all over the world.
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To be fair though, there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy theories.

For example, someone who's believing in the hollow earth or that the earth is flat? That's kinda harmless for the most part they do not call people for a genocide. But the protocols of the Elders of Zion? Or something similar? Extreme Right Wing conspiracies are not in the same ball park in my opinion. I mean when you think about it, at the bottom of the Holocaust you had basically a conspiracy theory that the Jews would be running everything and have been looking out to destroy the German people which was used as justification to exterminate them all. And this is a very common topic with right wing extremism. Not always with the intention to out right cause a genocide, but you get the picture.
 
Crni Vuk said:
To be fair though, there are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy theories.

For example, someone who's believing in the hollow earth or that the earth is flat? That's kinda harmless for the most part they do not call people for a genocide. But the protocols of the Elders of Zion? Or something similar? Extreme Right Wing conspiracies are not in the same ball park in my opinion.
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True, although the former theories are more rare than the latter. The problem is that the latter are harder to disprove and closer to reality, and due to their nature of constructing "us vs. them" scenarios they're very attractive to people with paranoid delusions. They were probably invented by people with paranoid delusions.
So what are we going to do against such conspiracy theories? Declare them as "hate speech" and ban any access, declare any mention of certain things a crime? Now that's totally not gonna make these folks go haywire.
 
Hassknecht said:
I don't even know what the point here is anymore.
The guy was a rightwing extremist, and likely a paranoid schizophrenic that somehow managed to go through all the laws in Germany and still own a legal gun. And he used it.
What are we supposed to do now, @MutantScalper? What do you want us to do? Confiscate every single firearm in Germany and do not allow any new ownership? Heavily censor the Internet so nobody can read anything but government-approved information? Hunt down every rightwing person in Germany and hang them in the streets?
What is your point here? There's already talk about much stricter gun laws, there's demand for more police. The social democrats demand that the AfD is under surveillance by the Verfassungsschutz.
In the medial chaos around the Hanau shooting the government already passed the extension of the "Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz" so that threats, insults, and just general nebulous "hate" can lead to several years of prison, and somehow content providers like Twitter and Facebook are not only obligated to delete the content, but also save the IPs and port numbers by the users, and provide the passwords to the accounts to the police.
So.
What more do you want?
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Actually, since this is the gun thread, some of the far right groups have gotten gun licences from a police who is now arrested. So a good start would be to look into where these groups manage to get firearms from, and also some harder stuff like grenades etc.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deut...aendig-a-737769ff-eb64-4ba7-90f3-4b7cda01d50a (Sorry it's in German, couldn't get the Google translate to work on that)
 
MutantScalper said:
Actually, since this is the gun thread, some of the far right groups have gotten gun licences from a police who is now arrested. So a good start would be to look into where these groups manage to get firearms from, and also some harder stuff like grenades etc.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deut...aendig-a-737769ff-eb64-4ba7-90f3-4b7cda01d50a (Sorry it's in German, couldn't get the Google translate to work on that)
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The grenades they mentioned were self-made. Also funny that the article mentions "slam guns" as if they were some dangerous class of store-bought weapons, they specifically mention the Halle shooter who built his weapons himself, including the "slam gun" (which is just a fancier word for pipe gun).
Anyway, so yeah, we should do exactly what we're doing now. The system we have in place for handing out firearm permits and licenses is good in principle, but the police is corrupt and has a tendency to attract far-right people, so if they're in charge of handing them out, we need to take more care of that. More checks for permits, it's not like a bit more bureaucracy will kill us.
 
Conservatives are scared of liberals and handing out firearms? Who'd thought?

How about having a professional psychologist hand out permits instead of a police officer?
 
Anyone notice how our resident Funny Farmers are protesting way to much that this guy shouldn't be referred to as a wack job?
 
It would take away from his status as a rightwing terrorist and thus create less reason to fight more against the Right.
 
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