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I don't know if I'm talking about an entirely different point, but I'll shoot. Originally the Rifle used in Vietnam was the M14 (as it was seen as an upgrade over the M1 Garand Rifle which was extremely popular), however it was extremely outclassed by the AK-47 the Vietnamese forces were using due to the accuracy at high fire rates (they need the high fire rates in the jungle environment) while the M14 had extremely bad recoil. They then switched over to the M16, which had its own problems starting out but once Armalite worked out kinks, the M16 was the commonplace rifle for American Forces
He called the GM a leftist? Lmfaooooooo
Kinda. The M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand are very different designs, and so are the M14 and the M16.
The M1 Carbine was developed as a sort of PDW for mortar and bazooka crews and such in WWII, but it was also used by Marines in the Pacific Theater. This continued on until the Korean War, where it was still mostly used as a supporting weapon. From the M1 Garand the M14 was developed, which had a slightly smaller cartridge and was select fire, but was still a very expensive and heavy rifle, and while the .308 round/7.62 mm NATO was a tiny bit smaller than the .30-06/7.62 mm Springfield round of the M1 Garand, it was still more of a battle rifle than a proper full auto assault rifle and as such basically unusable in full auto. It was fielded in Vietnam, but people really didn't like it, and soon it was to be replaced by the M16, which did have some problems in the jungle environment, but nothing that couldn't be fixed quickly. The M16 (the military designation of the AR15) was made by Colt, btw., and any further development was done by them, and not ArmaLite, as ArmaLite sold the patents to Colt right before Colt could snag the big deal for the M16. ArmaLite and Eugene Stoner then went on to develop the AR18 with a different mechanism so they wouldn't infringe on the AR15 patents they lost, and while the AR18 became very much an inspiration for a lot of future assault rifles, it was never adopted by any military in any large number.
When I was refering to the M14 earlier, I meant the infantry rifle in the beginning of the Vietnam war that was then replaced by the M16.
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Algebraic Geometry and Dandelion Soup
The M1 Carbine was originally issued to front-line infantry officers (as a replacement for a pistol) and paratroopers, it may have been also issued as a PDW to those groups, but the everything I've seen says the original purpose was for officers and paratroopers.
I know, that's what I was saying in the post
Ah, thanks for the correction!
Pretty sure the original idea behind the light rifle program was to develop a rifle for support troops since thanks to Blitzkrieg tactics and german para- and glidertroops it wasn't really out of the question anymore that a mortar crew or logistics or whoever might get a fistful of Krauts all of a sudden.
But of course, a lighter rifle would also be very useful for officers and paratroopers who either have to carry other shit or be limited in weight, so they'd also get it, and much more prominently than support troops.
But of course, a lighter rifle would also be very useful for officers and paratroopers who either have to carry other shit or be limited in weight, so they'd also get it, and much more prominently than support troops.
TheGM
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Well the US was already working on what would become the M1 Carbine before WW2 even started. first they went looking for a bullet then they went looking for a gun. A Tommy Gun chambered in .30 was submitted and didn't meet a single requirement, since it was too heavy at 12lbs but god dammit does a .30 Tommy Gun sound cool as fuck. Later on there would be the select fire M2 Carbine.
But fuck all that shit, here is the M3 Carbine.
But fuck all that shit, here is the M3 Carbine.
Old school infrared sights are glorious.
Best home defense weapon is the American-180. Prove me wrong.
1200 rpm of .22LR at basically zero recoil with 180+ rounds in the mag. All your arguments invalid and riddled with holes.
Best home defense weapon is the American-180. Prove me wrong.
1200 rpm of .22LR at basically zero recoil with 180+ rounds in the mag. All your arguments invalid and riddled with holes.
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This will shoot out more .22cal faster.
You may even get one cheap on a basic license.
You may even get one cheap on a basic license.
Dayglow Drifter
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They also gave it out to radio operators I believe.
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They gave it out to any person that couldn't carry another weapon. That meant Rangers, Commandos, Paratroopers, and all sorts of people.
In Vietnam, the ARVN had hundreds of thousands of M1 Carbines in use, and loads of US troops used the M1 until they got ahold of M16s. It was a different system more so in Vietnam than WW2. The Army and Marines had more of a choice of an arsenal of weapons to deploy to their troops at the discretion of the battalion.
Even though there were loads of better options in Vietnam, it still had a use due to smaller individuals being able to use it "Vietnamese people being smaller actually affects their combat effectiveness."
This guy has it rough with his big M1 Garand. This is from Korea.
It must be stated that during The Korean War, the M1 Carbine was shown to be "the most unreliable weapon in the US infantry arsenal." This was due mainly to old magazines being used in a variety of M1 Carbine manufactures rifles. There are reports of "stopping power" which can be valid at ranges past 50m. However, it is obvious to most that a 30.06 is not a .30 carbine.
https://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1538&context=etd
http://www.lb7.uscourts.gov/documents/14-25141.pdf
In Vietnam, the ARVN had hundreds of thousands of M1 Carbines in use, and loads of US troops used the M1 until they got ahold of M16s. It was a different system more so in Vietnam than WW2. The Army and Marines had more of a choice of an arsenal of weapons to deploy to their troops at the discretion of the battalion.
Even though there were loads of better options in Vietnam, it still had a use due to smaller individuals being able to use it "Vietnamese people being smaller actually affects their combat effectiveness."
This guy has it rough with his big M1 Garand. This is from Korea.
It must be stated that during The Korean War, the M1 Carbine was shown to be "the most unreliable weapon in the US infantry arsenal." This was due mainly to old magazines being used in a variety of M1 Carbine manufactures rifles. There are reports of "stopping power" which can be valid at ranges past 50m. However, it is obvious to most that a 30.06 is not a .30 carbine.
https://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1538&context=etd
http://www.lb7.uscourts.gov/documents/14-25141.pdf
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Damn. Missed opportunity!
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These look like fun.
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The NRA is full of trust fund bitch babies.
Damn. Missed opportunity!
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This manufactured world view fits my emotional reaction to the chaos emanating from the hellscape.
DarkCorp
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Damn. Missed opportunity!
Calm down Mr. Revolution. The courts haven't even gotten into it yet.
TheGM
The voice of reason
If you are a gun owner, The NRA is not your friend.
there are idiots bemoaning how people they call nazis who own guns, aren't helping them fight government nazis because they actually think the Boogaloo Boys are a real thing instead of this shit reddit meme it really is.
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I'm thinking of picking up a .38 snub nose before college and keeping it in my car to protect myself.
I'm a queer man moving to Mississippi and I don't trust the police, so I might as well take my defense into my own hands.
I'm a queer man moving to Mississippi and I don't trust the police, so I might as well take my defense into my own hands.
I don’t trust anyone. Unfortunately I live in a blue state and have Borderline Personality, so getting a firearm for any purpose is gonna be a hassle until I finally save up enough to leave Massachusetts.
It’s ok, I own a Bowie knife that’s against state regulations that I carry on the inside back of my waistband when I go places that I get a bad gut feeling about beforehand.
I’ve never had to use or even draw it, but a 7 inch blade is a good insurance policy.
Fun fact: I brought my knife collection to college and campus police actually let me keep it. That, or when they searched my room following an unrelated incident they decided “emotionally unstable student with 8 knives under his mattress” was above their pay grade.
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This relates to my post in the /pol thread.
Plus some more gun control.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-chicago-gun-myth/
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