Gun Control

MutantScalper said:
What is it then? "A really nice shooting"?
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A shooting. Not a mass shooting, a shooting.

MutantScalper said:
So let's just flood Europe with guns and get rid of all gun laws?
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Just get rid of the laws. Actually, stop buying oil from the Saudis so they can't radicalize so much in Europe, that more folk die in French mass shootings in 2015 than folk died in mass shootings in America under all of Obama's regime. If you ever want to actually cure mass violence, how about you check the reasons that mass violence happens and try to cure that, instead of deflecting and blaming stuff like video games and guns.
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
A shooting. Not a mass shooting, a shooting.



Just get rid of the laws. Actually, stop buying oil from the Saudis so they can't radicalize so much in Europe, that more folk die in French mass shootings in 2015 than folk died in mass shootings in America under all of Obama's regime. If you ever want to actually cure mass violence, how about you check the reasons that mass violence happens and try to cure that, instead of deflecting and blaming stuff like video games and guns.
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Yep, because when a mass shooting happens it's not the guns fault.
 
MutantScalper said:
Oh can I do the same when I deal with the social ills of Finland? "Oh that isn't a Finnish problem because only Swedish speaking Finns (a minority) are guilty of it"? Is that really how you think? I'm beginning to understand why US is such a crappy place.
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You know everytime you've butted into a discussion over the numerous threads you've done it in I don't think I've ever seen you say something that wasn't a strawman.
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
A shooting. Not a mass shooting, a shooting.
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You don't get to decide what is or isn't a mass shooting. It could be as few as three dead or wounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#Definition

Just get rid of the laws. Actually, stop buying oil from the Saudis so they can't radicalize so much in Europe, that more folk die in French mass shootings in 2015 than folk died in mass shootings in America under all of Obama's regime. If you ever want to actually cure mass violence, how about you check the reasons that mass violence happens and try to cure that, instead of deflecting and blaming stuff like video games and guns.
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Yes let's get rid of all the laws and crime will vanish! *sounds the looney-alert*
 
MutantScalper said:
Yes let's get rid of all the laws and crime will vanish! *sounds the looney-alert*
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Well I was referring to the gun laws. But technically, if there's no laws, there's no laws to break.

As for the definition of mass shooting, sorry, but I'm not making it up.

"The United States'Congressional Research Serviceacknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting"[2] as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed"
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
Well I was referring to the gun laws. But technically, if there's no laws, there's no laws to break.

As for the definition of mass shooting, sorry, but I'm not making it up.

"The United States'Congressional Research Serviceacknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting"[2] as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed"
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I'm glad I don't live in US and the "The United States'Congressional Research Service" isn't a bible to me. Btw, if you believe the US gov when it comes to mass shootings, do you also believe the goverment of, say, North Korea when it comes to individuals rights? How about looking at something like, the United Nations in this matter?
 
Why exactly is the US government banned from having a definition for mass shooting? And how exactly is using their definition equating to me treating it religiously?

And the US government definition is fine, it's not easy to fudge like two or more casualties (is two folk being robbed a mass robbery?), and it's not a high number.
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
Why exactly is the US government banned from having a definition for mass shooting? And how exactly is using their definition equating to me treating it religiously?

And the US government definition is fine, it's not easy to fudge like two or more casualties (is two folk being robbed a mass robbery?), and it's not a high number.
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Why exactly is the North Korean government banned from having a definition of individual human rights?
 
Dr Fallout said:
Why do you even need guns in the first place? It's a fucking privilege, not a right. Actually it should be, because there's no need for guns.

Mexico would, but France and Germany have a LOT less gun shootings in comparison to the US.
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Who are you to decide who needs what?

If you exclude black and hispanic crime, the US has roughly the same gun crime rate as Belgium.

And why do we have another gun control thread where everyone conveniently decided to ignore the fact that Switzerland exists.
 
Vergil said:
It's not people who hang around gun clubs who are shooting people.
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You think people can't overdo it with their hobbies?

Would you also agree that we should allow nuclear weapons to be owned by every citizen?

Dr Fallout said:
Why do you even need guns in the first place? It's a fucking privilege, not a right. Actually it should be, because there's no need for guns.

Mexico would, but France and Germany have a LOT less gun shootings in comparison to the US.
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I think at this point everyone realizes that this whole thing about owning weapons has not much to do with protecting the constitution.


I mean com on, there is a militarisation of the police going on, there is a huge problem with police viollence, the US has become in some cases, a surveilance state, there is a huge gab between the poor and the richest people, who pretty much run the nation trough lobbyism, and there are LITERALY people getting killed by the police for apparantly no reason. So I am always asking my self, why don't they use their precious guns to defend their constitution which gets raped like crazy right now?

Illuminati Confirmed! said:
Who are you to decide who needs what?

If you exclude black and hispanic crime, the US has roughly the same gun crime rate as Belgium.

And why do we have another gun control thread where everyone conveniently decided to ignore the fact that Switzerland exists.
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And if we exclude the crminal citizens of Beligium and cherry pick there, they would also have lower crime rates. So black people and hispanics are not US citizens?
 
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Vergil said:
It's not people who hang around gun clubs who are shooting people.
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Actually, in Germany they kinda are. The majority of the spree killers of the last decase had legally owned guns and were in gun clubs (or rather, got the guns from their parents).

Illuminati Confirmed! said:
And why do we have another gun control thread where everyone conveniently decided to ignore the fact that Switzerland exists.
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We acknowledged Switzerland in the previous thread. The thing is: The Swiss have shown that they can own guns responsibly, because they are a filthy rich country of extremely nice people. With filthy, filthy socialist social security nets.
 
MutantScalper said:
Why exactly is the North Korean government banned from having a definition of individual human rights?
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You've abandoned all logic haven't you?

The American government does not benefit from this definition, nor does it commit the crimes we are talking about. The Joseon government does on both.
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
Yes. That's the point I've been trying to make. Violence is caused by the folk committing it, not the tools that they use.
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I'm sorry to inform you that this is a gun control thread so logic isn't allowed in here and any reply you post must be in the form of fallacy.

Seriously the idea that an Inanimate object can't be blamed silly. just the other day the FBI took down an entire bag of Hammers that was running a white slavery ring.
 
Could you imagine the insurance policy on anything you own if you had one? I'm pro buying and dismantling all current nuclear devices, closing all uranium mines, and switching all reactors to thorium. After that, there's no real need to regulate said nuclear weapons as it's impossible for pretty much anyone to acquire, or produce.
 
Antiwarprofallout said:
Remember that savage truck that killed over eighty in France? We should give it the death penalty.
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Straw man of the highest degree.

But I'll answer it anyway. Because you see, unlike guns trucks... wait for it... have OTHER purposes then killing people.

Whaaaat?

Illuminati Confirmed! said:
Who are you to decide who needs what?

If you exclude black and hispanic crime, the US has roughly the same gun crime rate as Belgium.

And why do we have another gun control thread where everyone conveniently decided to ignore the fact that Switzerland exists.
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Evidence?
 
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