Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I checked the video again, just to be sure. How do you know any of them behaved incorrectly or like, I quote 'as wild animal'? I am not saying none of them behaved in a wrong way, just that it isn't possible to see that in the video. Not that it would matter anyway, since how much damage can a handcuffed or half naked person surounded by 3 to 4 cops do in a cell that requires several repeated tasering while the suspect is on the ground.
     
  2. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    This has nothing to do with self esteem or torture, using force including violent and painfull steps is a part of legal procedure how to make uncooperative fucks listen to the orders. I'm really curious why every single scene in Vuk's propaganda starts with imprisoned person being tased, instead of showing us what happened before tasing. That happens when you're isolated in your informational bubble though, you'll get one-sided view.

    edit: ninja'd! As I wrote, you (and I) don't have slightest idea how these persons were behaving before being tased.
     
  3. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Alternatively you can be adamant and not immediately START PUNITIVE MEASURES (you won't get the reference, trust me) if there's no danger to the property, the cop, anyone else or the criminal himself.

    No u
     
  4. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Yeah, let's get on the most easy ACAB! Che Guevara! Viva la revolution! way then, right?
    Whatever guys.

    Vuk: whether handcuffed person can or cannot do any harm doesn't matter at all. He's either listening to the cops or not, and if not, well he's sure all set up for some long and painfull night..
     
  5. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Lirruls: "Hey what about more humane methods which in turn turn down the violence level of its society in general"
    valcik: "Fucking commies I swear"
     
  6. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Haha, no way! Communist cops were much, much more brutal than what you see in this video here. You don't have the slightest idea.
     
  7. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    What does that have to do with anything, though?
     
  8. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Why do you ask me? First it was Vuk referring to communism, then you, so ask yourself why did you feel the need to put it there. ;)
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    For starters, because you do not know why exactly people act the way they do.

    Let us exclude cases, where people did nothing and the cop was just on a powertrip, as I hope that we can both at least agree that tasering people just for fun, should be out of the question for a cop.

    The underlying issue is, that you never can tell why people act the way they do. You could very well have someone who's actually sick, has issues to controll his temper, who's drunk or for what ever reason simply can't controll his emotions for that moment. I mean that people sometimes loose controll isn't unheard of.

    So, let us say we have someone who's resisting his arrest? Sure, he will be tasered eventually and that is acceptable, to prevent damage or harm. But once he's restrained and secured? What's the point of CONTINUING to taser a target that's on the ground, restrained and not showing signs of agression?

    Besides, there are a multitude or different ways to deal with such situations. See, a friend of mine once was so much in rage they had to get like 3 or 4 cops to calm him down, he simply snaped and went crazy, not unlike what you can see with someone who's experiencing an epileptic seizure. What have they done? They called an ambulance and used drugs to calm him down. Done. No tasering. No torture. No one was harmed.

    And yeah. I am living in a bubble. I was just once hospitalized in a mental instution for a couple of weeks. I was there for depressions and sleeping issues with risk of suicide, like most of the other patients sharing the place, so we had a lot of freedom, we could leave the place, buying food etc. We just had to stay there for the night. However, other stations had the really serious subjects, people that would harm themself, and others soemtimes, people with severe psychosis who had to be restrained and secured, because they screamed, kicked and showed all kinds of agression. Not a pretty sight, I can tell you that much.

    Never did I saw anyone repeateldy using a taser there though. They didn't even had tasers there to begin with, since there are better and more effective ways to calm down people. And the police, could actually make use of them. By for caling doctors for example.

    If you think that the correct way to deal with all people, is to taser them, then the problem are not the criminals. There are ways to deal with the situations, you just have to know about them, and to be trained in the effective use.

    But again, yes I am living in a fucking bubble :).
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2017
  10. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Did you actually compare police station, policemen and criminals/suspects to a nuthouse full of hospitalized patients? You are aware that violent patients are treated by sedatives, right? Holy shit you are not living in bubble, you are batshit crazy!
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Did you know that the first people that often get in contact with mentaly instable people are police officers?
     
  12. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Did you know that police officers are there to protect doctors drugging the mentaly instable people into oblivion, since they cannot be reasoned with, neither they cannot understand or follow any order? Seriously, take a deep breath and think again.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hmm? What do you mean? I don't think I said "Send dctors with needles in, instead of the police to get those armed robers!" or something like that. So I am not sure what you exactly mean.

    If someone is restrained, secured and held down by 2 cops, I think a doctor or medical personnel can safely administer drugs. What do you think how do cops deal with drug addicts, alcoholics, suicidal individuals and mentaly unstable agressive people in large cities, where they catch/meet some each night? All get tasered till they puke?

    You would be surprised how often a police station actually feels more like a mental hospital, than a place for your typical criminals, considering all the alcoholics and drug addicts that get arrested in some areas.

    Thx. I think that's an improvement.
     
  14. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Okay, let's adapt Vukology! A thief caught in the mall refuse to follow cops' orders? Easy solution - let two cops take the thief down and pump him with drugs until he pass out. Haha I can't wait to see the endless stream of junkies stealing purse on the street just to get their dose afterwards.

    Criminals are not mentally ill. They do know what they're doing and very often they're going to harm or straight kill you, to harm or kill any cop getting close. Also you don't have any idea how many diseases they have, so good luck trying to find "peaceful" cops willing to risk their health or lives just to make suspect feel as comfortable as it gets.. You've drifted too far into dreamland I'm afraid.
     
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think we're talking past each other ...

    I am not talking about immediate threats requring immediate response, like your mall thief, which would even require the use of force, maybe a gun in some situations if the thief is armed himself. I am not sure where you got that idea from.

    I thought it was clear that we talked about situations where people are in CUSTODY by the police.

    In my current job, where I am dealing with troubled children on a daily basis I actually encounter a lot of cases where we have to work with the police. Well not me directly, but my superior. Right now we have on our school the issue that a gang of children is threating others for money one of the children in my group was already beaten by them, they also sell drugs and some even carry knives. What do you think cops do here? That they can storm in guns blasing killing everyone left and right? No they can't. Because they are not Dirty Harry you know.
     
  16. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    I don't think that's the best idea, no matter what.
    You can tase him in the mall if he refuses to follow orders, and you can't tase him in custody if he remains hysterical and refuses to follow orders all of sudden?

    Anyway, don't worry about cops. German police started drafting their members straight from Arab gangs, including persons with criminal record. I'm pretty sure these fine gentlemen would treat you accordingly and gently as a pure professionals. ;)
    https://www.thelocal.de/20171108/ho...ff-claims-they-have-been-infiltrated-by-mafia
     
  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
  18. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    According to the article they burned dead body in order to cover something. Anyway, this is common practice in criminal gangs, brutal and disgusting modus operandi which cannot be tolerated and cannot be compared with taser at all..

    LARP sucks! >_>

     
  19. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    yes, and then you have incidences where someone accuses the police of gross misconduct and even sexual assault while claiming they "dindu nuffin!".

    much public outcry in defense of the woman against the police. so the police chief says what happened on her social media post about the incident and even shows the body cam footage to the teen's father who admits the cops did nothing wrong and that she was lying her ass off.

    then the ACLU complains for some ungodly reason that the police should not have provided an account of what happened giving her the lie because the conversation is important and the police chief shut it down.

    but I guess that goes against "listen and believe"....
     
  20. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    So you have no sympathy for the people being abused because they did a bad thing first?

    Honestly, that just sounds like a grown up version of "He started it".
    If a cop can't deal with a disruptive or difficult person without resorting to violence, they shouldn't be in that position.

    If you physically harm a person as anything more than self defence/defence of others, doesn't that kinda go against the whole creed to PROTECT and serve.