How is Caesar's army not a joke?

[Jogre]

• Caesar: No firearm.

• Legate Lanius: No firearm.

• Lucius: No firearm.

• Vulpes Inculta: No firearm.

Caesar: Is staying in his tent, not involved in battles. Caesar obviously would know how to use guns if it were necessary, due to the fact that he literally trained the Blackfoot Tribe in firearm usage.
Legate Lanius: Has (likely) bullet-proof armour.
Lucius: Is a Praetorian Guard. It is literally explained in-game that Praetorian Guard's train with unarmed so even if disarmed of there power fists they will be able to restrain attackers.
Vulpes Inculta: Is a Frumentarii. He is literally a spy for Caesar's Legion. He doesn't actually fight on the frontlines.

• Salt-Upon-Wounds ("Honest Hearts" DLC): No firearm.

Literally not part of the Legion.

• Antony: No firearm.

It must be very difficult to train dogs without using firearms.

• Karl: No firearm.

• Atticus: No firearm.

Karl: Is acting as a diplomat to the Great Khans. If someone from Caesar's Legion visited your gang, you'd probably be uncomfortable with them having firearms.
Atticus: While he may not have a firearm on his body, he is literally in a safehouse full of weapons. Invaders come along, he could easily pick one up and start firing.

The bulk of Caesar's Legion wears some form of repurposed sports equipment, ridiculously made to resemble lorica segmentata.

Yeah, Leather Armour is very crappy isn't it. It's not like it's easy to mass produce and would provide a very simple layer of protection.

Army

The New California Republic's military is [Snip]

Notice how this wiki page has only 2 citations on it, both of which are from the Fallout Bible.

That thing about a "trainining regimen" in the wiki-page is not only unverified, but there is literally evidence in-game to suggest otherwise(The Squad from Flags up our Fouls quite literally has had no proper training). It is made a big-deal of that the NCR is dragging in people with little to no training just to bulk up numbers.

 

[Prone Squanderer]

I was going to make a long reply but @Risewild and @Jogre have pretty much beaten me to it.

 

[Risewild]

I buy F3 got edition in steam summer, any good tutorial for TTW? Aside from the "fix bug pack" (YUP, NVSR, NVAC and 4GB) and centered 3rd Person Camera, I can discard any mod that exists.

Well, that setup is pretty much the essential one (except for the 3rd camera if a player does not use 3rd camera view of course) I would add DarnUI (been using it since it was released) or any other UI mod because the default UI leaves a lot to be desired.
The rest of the mods will depend on what you want to do with the game. I would recommend TTW Interiors if you always get annoyed with so many boarded up houses and buildings you can't explore, but it might need some work by the Author for TTW 3.0 since we updated the FO3 and DLCs masters to the same version as the ones from FNV and that breaks a lot of stuff (but makes the game more stable and has other "too good to miss" advantages) from old mods, in particular if it add navmesh edits/additions.

Caesar: Is staying in his tent, not involved in battles. Caesar obviously would know how to use guns if it were necessary, due to the fact that he literally trained the Blackfoot Tribe in firearm usage.
Legate Lanius: Has (likely) bullet-proof armour.
Lucius: Is a Praetorian Guard. It is literally explained in-game that Praetorian Guard's train with unarmed so even if disarmed of there power fists they will be able to restrain attackers.
Vulpes Inculta: Is a Frumentarii. He is literally a spy for Caesar's Legion. He doesn't actually fight on the frontlines.

Literally not part of the Legion.

It must be very difficult to train dogs without using firearms.

Karl: Is acting as a diplomat to the Great Khans. If someone from Caesar's Legion visited your gang, you'd probably be uncomfortable with them having firearms.
Atticus: While he may not have a firearm on his body, he is literally in a safehouse full of weapons. Invaders come along, he could easily pick one up and start firing.

Yeah, Leather Armour is very crappy isn't it. It's not like it's easy to mass produce and would provide a very simple layer of protection.

Notice how this wiki page has only 2 citations on it, both of which are from the Fallout Bible.

That thing about a "trainining regimen" in the wiki-page is not only unverified, but there is literally evidence in-game to suggest otherwise(The Squad from Flags up our Fouls quite literally has had no proper training). It is made a big-deal of that the NCR is dragging in people with little to no training just to bulk up numbers.

Not to mention Caesar has a darn Displacer Glove, a last tier unarmed weapon and he has unarmed skill 100, he also has guns skill 100.
I considered writing something similar to your nice post, but it was obvious by his previous post that he never played the game, played only the initial part, played the game but skipped all the dialogue and most of the NPCs or just likes to troll.
I decided that no matter what I write and how much evidence I show, he will just keep trolling more and more. When someone posts a video that proves what he says is wrong in a very obvious way to prove he is right, quotes blindly the wikia without any context, keeps saying the same thing after several people already debunked what he is saying... then there is no hope of rational debate .

 

[Prone Squanderer]

I decided that no matter what I write and how much evidence I show, he will just keep trolling more and more. When someone posts a video that proves what he says is wrong in a very obvious way to prove he is right, quotes blindly the wikia without any context, keeps saying the same thing after several people already debunked what he is saying... then there is no hope of rational debate .

Well just remember, Benny shooting you twice in the head is a 9/11 reference. You'll never fully appreciate New Vegas if you don't know that fact.

 

[Jogre]

Well just remember, Benny shooting you twice in the head is a 9/11 reference. You'll never fully appreciate New Vegas if you don't know that fact.

House did 10/19

Goodsprings was an inside job.

Bullets can't pierce Courier skin.

 

[Brycen]

Armed and armored (at least against some firearms) "Vertibirds" versus warrior tribals:



I know how the film ends but it doesn't invalidate the point.

The NCR has captured several Vertibirds, one of which was modified into "Bear Force One".

Fallout Wiki: Vertibird

Vertibirds . . . pack an enormous amount of firepower on an extremely well-armored chassis. Their weapons include a nose-mounted Gatling laser, a minigun on the left side of the Vertibird for passengers, a pair of missile launchers, and a bomb rack for mini nukes. All of these weapons are threatening; the missile launcher deals heavy damage and can knock an opponent back, the Gatling laser can deal a lot of damage from afar, the minigun is used to mow down large amounts of infantry, and the mini nukes, used in airstrikes against heavy targets and emplaced defenses, can instantly kill a hostile.​

Yet the game's lore tries to convince you that a bunch of ridiculous fantasy-themed cos-players, so to speak, are an enormous threat to the NCR, a relatively modern army fully equipped with firearms and professional military armor/uniforms, and are able to completely wipe out its military outposts. What rubbish!

Enough said.

 

[Cobra Commander]

ffs. Now every time I go to face a Legionnaire, I will remember James Cameron.

 

[Hassknecht]

Not to forget that Bear Force One is also a very obvious reference.

There truly is something rotten in New Vegas.

 

[Jogre]

The NCR has captured several Vertibirds, one of which was modified into "Bear Force One".

We can only verify the existence of one NCR Vertibird.

Not sure where you are getting the "Several" from.

Yet the game's lore tries to convince you that a bunch of ridiculous fantasy-themed cos-players, so to speak, are an enormous threat to the NCR, a relatively modern army fully equipped with firearms and professional military armor/uniforms

Remember when a bunch of Vietnamese rebels were somehow able to kick the asses of the US Army?

Yet you find it silly when a bunch of tribals with access to firearms and some high-tech weaponry can take on the NCR?

 

[Black Angel]

Alright, that's enough. This is a pretty genuine thread, those fucking try-hard attempt at quoting wikis and shit should stay in that rotten thread.

 

[CerberusGate]

If Brycen thinks it can keep making a case on why the Legion sucks from its biased perspective, sources lacking citations and outright lies after @Risewild and @Jogre have countered its points (with the former providing legitimate proof from the in-game engine), then it truly has nothing better to do with its life.

Yet the game's lore tries to convince you that a bunch of ridiculous fantasy-themed cos-players, so to speak, are an enormous threat to the NCR, a relatively modern army fully equipped with firearms and professional military armor/uniforms, and are able to completely wipe out its military outposts. What rubbish!

Enough said.

The game's lore is correct because the current NCR is a scattered mess with resources poorly allocated (also your example sucks because the 'tribals' won with their knowledge of the land and being able to get past their firearms to engage them up close with the help of a Deus Ex Machina) and demoralized recruits that don't have as much training as they actually need for field combat. Plus the Legion has way more better trained numbers, elite soldiers that damn tough to kill with strong armor, actual strategic knowledge and are fanatically loyal to their cause.

Enough said.

Not sure where you are getting the "Several" from.

My guess is that it is using the Wiki and some implications on the fall of the Enclave to try to justify the several. It is not verified whether all those Vertibirds are in working order or Bear Force One is the only one they got working.

But then again, Bear Force One is probably a reference to 9/11 according to @Brycen so I could be talking out of my ass.

Enough said.

 

[Brycen]

The NCR has firing ranges to train its troops:

Caesar's Legion only has melee training dummies, by comparison:

This is at the Fortification Hill (a.k.a. the Fort), where Caesar's Legion prepares for the upcoming battle at Hoover Dam. Sometimes a legionary can be seen training with a machete on one of the dummies.

There are also blacksmiths around the Fort forging and sharpening the machetes.

According to this, Caesar's Legion does not train with firearms at all! At the very least, it shows their priorities.

Then there are these exclusively female slaves with ridiculously large and heavy backpacks:

This is in contrast to Caesar's Legion concept art where it's the male slaves who carry the heavy stuff:

LOL! All things considered, what utter rubbish this game is!

 

[Jogre]

The NCR has firing ranges to train its troops:
Caesar's Legion only has melee training dummies, by comparison:

Did you know, that if you look up "Nitpicking" in the dictionary, you can find a picture of yourself?

Yeah, I'd quite like to see how Legion trains with guns as well, but honestly, this is such a minor consideration that it really, really doesn't matter. They absolutely have some way of training, we just don't see it in-game.

Then there are these exclusively female slaves with ridiculously large and heavy backpacks:

This is literally explained in-game.

The men in Caesar's Legion are usually given the choice to become legionaries to get out of slavery. They prove there worth through combat. Since Legion doesn't send women to battle, they have no way of getting out of slavery, meaning that Legion Slaves are predominantly female.

 

[Risewild]

Did you know, that if you look up "Nitpicking" in the dictionary, you can find a picture of yourself?

He's not nitpicking, he just got frustrated that his arguments got destroyed so easily that he just run out of things to troll about and just fell into the troll bottom line of just call something "utter rubbish" to try and make us angry or something as if most of us would even get angry at stuff like that, it is actually amusing seeing his arguments failing and each new post be worse and worse until it reached the bottom .

Yawn. Since I don't have to repeat myself and this post will be made in less than 5 minutes, here I go again having some fun.

How does the Legion train shooting guns? The same way as the BoS does in Fallout 3:

Spoiler: Picture

Even the target dummies are the same because they are not melee targets, they are ranged targets. See in the picture? They are even behind a car husk so you can't reach them with melee?
Again I say, Brycen was never in the army . Anyone that has shot a gun at target dummies can tell. Usually one would practice melee against a real opponent. Because in a melee fight the enemy is not just standing there ready to get hit . Dummies can be used to demonstrate and train hitting vital spots, they are usually full body dummies, with legs and groin and arms and all of that. Shooting dummies are usually just the torso and head.

And now he shows he's also a sexist troll . Women can carry way larger and heavy loads than that screenshot, they have been doing it since humans existed.

Spoiler: Just because I was bored

 

[Prone Squanderer]

Then there are these exclusively female slaves with ridiculously large and heavy backpacks:

This is in contrast to Caesar's Legion concept art where it's the male slaves who carry the heavy stuff:

LOL! All things considered, what utter rubbish this game is!

Aside from maybe the first guy, those blokes don't look like they're carrying anything heavy.

 

[Jogre]

Spoiler: Picture

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Not sure if that picture is supposed to be tiny, but I can barely see whats happening.

I think it's a bug with pulling pictures from other sites that makes them in to thumbnail size.

 

[YeeCop]

And now he shows he's also a sexist troll . Women can carry way larger and heavy loads than that screenshot, they have been doing it since humans existed.

Spoiler: Just because I was bored

Makes you wonder if these Indian women are doing some sort of Buddhist zen in order to focalize all their strength to their heads.

 

[CerberusGate]

Troll post

Oh, Brycen... Scrapping the bottom of the barrel for something to rant about your 'hated' NV and you didn't even get anything substantial.

I'd say something too but @Risewild already said everything that debunked everything you wrote. Firing range vs melee practice ranges and the rather misogynistic insistence of using men slaves over women slaves because 'men struhnger'? Quite the pathetic barrel scrapping there.

LOL! All things considered, what utter rubbish this game is!

And there it is. The last sign to indicate complete degeneration into a run-of-the-mill NMA troll. That final sign of the degenerative process that started with your first try-hard 'posts' and 9/11 conspiracy ramblings. Congrats on removing any possibility of people ever taking your posts seriously again. I certainly don't have to but then again, I never did.

Enough said.

And now he shows he's also a sexist troll . Women can carry way larger and heavy loads than that screenshot, they have been doing it since humans existed.

I think that carrying stuff like that also requires finding a sweet spot to ensure the weight of the load carried does not snap the neck along with precise placement of objects. That and many other factors. It'll always be impressive though.

Like that last lady in the pic with the baby and the bricks...

 

[Risewild]

Not sure if that picture is supposed to be tiny, but I can barely see whats happening.

I think it's a bug with pulling pictures from other sites that makes them in to thumbnail size.

Nope, it is supposed to be quite large, I just forgot that this forum doesn't like wikia pictures. I will upload it myself then.

Spoiler: Real size Picture

You can open the image to get even bigger (since this forum shrinks pictures to a minimum size).
I will also edit my original post with this picture.

Makes you wonder if these Indian women are doing some sort of Buddhist zen in order to focalize all their strength to their heads.

Not really, I grew up in rural Portugal and most of my female family until my generation still carried heavy lods like that. I remember my mother, aunts and even my grandmothers all carrying huge loads on their head the same way (specially when they were harvesting stuff from the farm, you haven't lived until you see your old grandmother carry a giant tub on her head full of watermelons... I had trouble carrying one large one back then so I was like "WOW she super strong!").

I think that carrying stuff like that also requires finding a sweet spot to ensure the weight of the load carried does not snap the neck along with precise placement of objects. That and many other factors. It'll always be impressive though.

Well, I also posted a picture of an old lady carrying a huge load of firewood on her back in a kinda backpack, just to show women (even older ones) can also carry heavier stuff on their backs too .
Have some more if you want:

Spoiler: More!

 

[CerberusGate]

Well, I also posted a picture of an old lady carrying a huge load of firewood on her back in a kinda backpack, just to show women (even older ones) can also carry heavier stuff on their backs too .

Thanks. Feats of strength are still damn impressive then and now.