I don't understand complaints about Beth's take on pre-war society

Dr Fallout said:
There's only a little 50's references especially in the first game. The only major one was the intro, everything else was more pulp 70's-80's Mad Max style.
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You sure about that? It just feels a little....More like it was 50's. Even looking at the cars looked more 50's.
 
Walpknut said:
Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas: The Great War was the climax of a chain of events that consisted of wars and depleting natural resources.

Fallout 3 and 4: Everything was flowers and wacky 50's until the Chinese Nation attacked.
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I think Bethesda actually acknowledges the chain of events that led to the great war in fallout 3. Like the newspapers saying the united nations disbanded, resource wars, etc...
And maybe the reason that the fallout 4 intro starts off all peaceful and nice is that its a small suburban neighborhood, and all the protesting is going on in the cities.
 
helios1 said:
Walpknut said:
Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas: The Great War was the climax of a chain of events that consisted of wars and depleting natural resources.

Fallout 3 and 4: Everything was flowers and wacky 50's until the Chinese Nation attacked.
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I think Bethesda actually acknowledges the chain of events that led to the great war in fallout 3. Like the newspapers saying the united nations disbanded, resource wars, etc...
And maybe the reason that the fallout 4 intro starts off all peaceful and nice is that its a small suburban neighborhood, and all the protesting is going on in the cities.
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Wrong. I don't think you understand what 'breakdown of society' means.
 
The-Artist-64 said:
Wrong. I don't think you understand what 'breakdown of society' means.
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Actually, he presents a realistic scenario: that these are people who represent society's elite and are therefore still living comfortably. After all, they have vault passes. They have robots. It is not unthinkable that even with the "breakdown society" such enclaves would continue to exist.
 
But from their dialogue in the character creation screen paints their life as peaceful and prosperous with them even preparing themselves for a war veteran party in the city.

Also, previous games stated that the Nukes dropped on the afternoon-night but in the Fallout 4 intro they drop in the morning. Whoops.
 
Sure suburbia might be un-affected, but where do they get their food? Or water? The milkman cannot make his deliveries if his van gets mobbed while going through the city.

Eventually the unwashed masses are going to figure out the rich folks have it nice and come a knockin. Unless they have security checkpoints.

Not to mention, the children are most likely not going to school, those who are attending ones in the cities. Most folks are out of work as trying to punch in for a day at Vault-Tec means driving through a city with people and molotov cocktails.
 
DarkCorp said:
Sure suburbia might be un-affected, but where do they get their food? Or water? The milkman cannot make his deliveries if his van gets mobbed while going through the city.

Eventually the unwashed masses are going to figure out the rich folks have it nice and come a knockin. Unless they have security checkpoints.

Not to mention, the children are most likely not going to school, those who are attending ones in the cities. Most folks are out of work as trying to punch in for a day at Vault-Tec means driving through a city with people and molotov cocktails.
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Well there were guards armoured in power armour. But overall agreed, Bethesda doesn't understand social breakdown. Since when has a war veteran live the good life? I call rich wife!
 
Sander said:
The-Artist-64 said:
Wrong. I don't think you understand what 'breakdown of society' means.
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Actually, he presents a realistic scenario: that these are people who represent society's elite and are therefore still living comfortably. After all, they have vault passes. They have robots. It is not unthinkable that even with the "breakdown society" such enclaves would continue to exist.
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Nope. It's completely wrong- note that the 'theory' mentions that the riots only occurred in the cities. The new protagonist lives right in the middle of Boston.

Expected response: Boston isn't a major city. False. Even if you don't consider it to be, it is extremely close to New York City and many other major east coast cities.

The lack of...well, everything on Bethesda's part is extremely disheartening. I think that, at this point, Fallout is dead.
 
The pre-war stuff Bethesda was showing looked so cheery and happy, I would think there would be a decline leading to the climax but the bombs go off randomly with no consistency as it just happens.
 
Maybe that will be the explanation for the bad textre work in that intro, it isn't real.

What is even the point of having a Prewar person as the protagonist if they are still going to set it 200 years after?

Going for an "Audience surrogate" type of protagonist doesn't really work because the pre War world was very much different from ours, like it's even more alien than the Post Apocalyptic one. The pre War World not only was complete dystopia but it had all manner of technological marvels integrated into society.

As a justification for starting out at level1 due to muscle athrophy from staying 200 years inmobile? I doubt they would have a "learn to walk again" segment and it isn't Bethesda's style to make the player feel powerless.... And the Level 1 is just an abstraction for player progression not necessarily a hard narrative shackle that needs explaining.... It just seem so pointlessly stupid...

Specially since Fallout already had a cryogenically preserved soldier on it and completely deconstructed it... Now they just playing it straight for the main character.... What's next? Fallout 5 with a Psyker protagonist that doesn't suffer from crippling insanity so they can justify giving the player magic powers ala Skyrim?
 
Didn't the teaser trailer show a couple of guys in power armor at the vault entrance? Honestly I find the idea that there were gated communities during the events leading up to the Great War to be extremely likely. In fact, it would still be indicative of how bad things had gotten. Society is ripping itself apart at the seams, and yet the military and ex-military get to have their nice, cushy, worry free lifestyle. Why? Because they've got guys in suits of armor that turn them into tanks wielding miniguns that straight up murder the undesirables that try anything. Especially with the plague going around. Don't want that sort getting into our nice, idyllic community, now do we? But it was obvious there were problems. Problems that would have been easy to just close your eyes, cover your ears and yell "LALALALA."

Out of sight, out of mind. Everything's fine. Sounds like it could fit into the dystopia that we've come to understand was in existence before the bombs fell. Everyone in the community is compliant because they don't want to be thrown out to the masses and ripped apart. So everyone just continues with the facade. It would seem morally devoid enough.
 
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