I feel Fallout 4 will be a rude awakening

Brimstoner said:
I really registered just to ask, how the hell do you people live with your miserable selves?
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Superior brain power and daily mindblowing sex.



To return to the topic though. It is something I've been hoping for for a long time now, ever since Skyrim came out. While most people are still fans (inexplicably) of it, I noticed an increase in dissenters towards it. Lack of interesting story or characters I guess. If Fallout 4 is just Fallout 3 2.0, then people who care will take notice more. The first days of Fallout 4 will be dark days for those who love RPGs, as I'm sure the pre-order rate for the game is massive, but give it time. Maybe Bethesda might f*ck up enough for people to really hate it (most likely because of their godawful bugs and game crashing issues).
 
Fallout 4 would be a rude awakening to a shitty storyline and unbelievable time period for shit to degrade past 200 years when they made it look like the Great war happened 20 years ago. It'd be a rude awakening to Bethesda for their shitty writing and power fantasies they put into their games and they might get flaked so bad that they would hand the rights to Fallout to Obsidian or maybe even Bioware. But that's just a fantasy in itself.
 
Sn1p3r187 said:
Fallout 4 would be a rude awakening to a shitty storyline and unbelievable time period for shit to degrade past 200 years when they made it look like the Great war happened 20 years ago. It'd be a rude awakening to Bethesda for their shitty writing and power fantasies they put into their games and they might get flaked so bad that they would hand the rights to Fallout to Obsidian or maybe even Bioware. But that's just a fantasy in itself.
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Not Bioware. Where do you think Bethesda stole their ideas?
 
AgentBJ09 said:
We can hope the public will wise up about Bethesda's tactics, but it took years for the general gaming media to entertain the thought that Skyrim was less than subpar as an Elder Scrolls game, precisely because of the cult-like admiration Bethesda gets from their nu-fans; Angry Joe, Pewdiepie, and others like them, don't help matters. The folks with fewer followers, like Razorfist, get it though.
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I watched Razorfist's video on Skyrim and it seems pretty accurate to me but then I watched his video of FNV and well, I find him to be pretty full of shit most of the time in that one. He said that Oblivion and Morrowind was better designed when it came to dialogue than FNV did. I mean, that's just absurd. Yes, FNV has more generic NPC's that give you generic lines of dialogue but it is one hell of a lot better than to have 500 named NPC's who share the same dialogue choices from topic dialogue.

He whined about Obsidian releasing buggy unfinished games when from what I've seen it is usually the publishers who screw them over one way or another but even if they were responsible for other games releasing unfinished and unpolished the state of FNV is entirely on Bethesda, not Obsidian.

He says that FNV has no depth.

He whines about how a casino is empty when it is because of the shitty engine they had to work with that can't handle too many NPC's without causing serious lagging if not crashing.

He compliments how in Fallout 3 you stumble upon enemies and distractions constantly whereas in FNV a wasteland actually feels like a wasteland.

A wasteland with areas of different degrees of difficulty? That is just awful according to him.

Oh and in the comments he's practically defending Bethesda in the FNV "review".

He's on point about Skyrim.
He's fucking clueless about FNV.

Yeah, he might be able to see Skyrim and its fans for what it is but he seems completely off his rocker and strangely defensive of Bethesda/Fallout 3 when it came to Fallout 3. I really don't know what to make of him. He's cute though.

Radiosity said:
Kilus said:
Don't forget the standard Bethesda fan petition of asking for fast travel to be removed. Because nothing says immersion like walking for 5 minutes between towns.
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You know, someone actually made a mod for Fallout 3 that removes the 'Empty' that pops up on empty containers, in the name of immurshun. "I find those annoying, I should have to spend additional time opening EVERY SINGLE CONTAINER just to see if it's empty or not!"

I just don't even.
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In Fallout 3 I agree that it sounds like a horrifying mechanic to not know what is empty and what isn't but for Fallout 1 and 2 I like that we don't know until we actually look inside. It gives a sense of mystery to containers and considering loot is more valuable in those earlier games actually taking the tedious time to look through a locker room it feels like a real reward when you really find something. So yeah, it depends on the amount of containers the player is encouraged/discouraged to go through.
 
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Mr Fish said:
...He's on point about Skyrim.
He's fucking clueless about FNV.

Yeah, he might be able to see Skyrim and its fans for what it is but he seems completely off his rocker and strangely defensive of Bethesda/Fallout 3 when it came to Fallout 3. I really don't know what to make of him. He's cute though.
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Yeah, that made me scratch my head, his New Vegas review. Especially him saying "Bethesda made all that" in regards to the tone of the series as presented in 3. (Getting pissed at Obsidian for releasing unfinished games I can understand; no company should be immune to criticism there.)

Guess we'll see if he changes his tune with Fallout 4's release.
 
Yeah, in Fallout 3, loot is EVERYWHERE, so the empty notification is considerably more necessary to prevent tedium, it's a simple gameplay concession that makes sense in this particular type of game. Whereas disabling fast travel is just silly, why would you ever want to do that? Spending 10 minutes traversing the wasteland for no good reason doesn't increase immersion, it just wastes (hoho) time. I do wonder if there's a certain 'BUT THERE MIGHT BE LOOTS!' mentality at play actually... like fast travelling might prevent them from killing generic raider #532356 for a few caps and probably a ridiculously powerful combat shotgun at level 3.
 
FNV was a fabulous achievement for something they took a mere 18 months to create. That short a development time... and they blew 3 out of the water in absolutely every single way. Showing Beth up in style.
 
Radiosity said:
FNV was a fabulous achievement for something they took a mere 18 months to create. That short a development time... and they blew 3 out of the water in absolutely every single way. Showing Beth up in style.
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If only they had more time. But still was great stuff!
 
Aye. It's still pretty much my favourite game, but if they'd had the extra time and money to turn the Legion into something a bit more in-depth, and tweak a few other things, it could've been even better. It's certainly true that they had a leg up on assets, using all the stuff Beth created for 3 and its DLC, but even taking that into account, the level of detail and world building they managed in such a short time is nothing short of amazing :)
 
Radiosity said:
Aye. It's still pretty much my favourite game, but if they'd had the extra time and money to turn the Legion into something a bit more in-depth, and tweak a few other things, it could've been even better. It's certainly true that they had a leg up on assets, using all the stuff Beth created for 3 and its DLC, but even taking that into account, the level of detail and world building they managed in such a short time is nothing short of amazing :)
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My favourite faction were the legion, which made the loss of any meaning and culture a bit sad. However there are mods...
 
This must be a creative writing assessment for one of their classes at "writing school", because I think OP is extremely naive to believe the title of this thread based upon anything they'd written in their original post.

What you have to realise is that Bethesda's not actually "lying" or even really omitting anything. Nobody's gonna care. Memeout 2 be Skyrim With Guns the same way Memeout 1 was Oblivion With Guns, and everybody will still eat it up because that's exactly what every person wanted that preordered this game the second it showed up on Steam.
 
ChildServices said:
What you have to realise is that Bethesda's not actually "lying" or even really omitting anything. Nobody's gonna care. Memeout 2 be Skyrim With Guns the same way Memeout 1 was Oblivion With Guns, and everybody will still eat it up because that's exactly what every person wanted that preordered this game the second it showed up on Steam.
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This.

I expect the new game to follow the precedent that FO3's ineptitude set. Bethesda already knows that there is a huge demographic of people willing to buy a Fallout game who a) don't care about classic Fallout in the least, and b) don't care about coherent writing or RPG elements.
 
I've noticed that Bethesda fans are much like Ford owners. It doesn't matter how bad the product is, they'll loyally buy the newest model and then crow the loudest about it, no matter what its faults or defects may be.
 
RetroAmerica said:
I've noticed that Bethesda fans are much like Ford owners. It doesn't matter how bad the product is, they'll loyally buy the newest model and then crow the loudest about it, no matter what its faults or defects may be.
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Yeah I can see the comparison. The originals were actually worth shit with Ford (for their time).
 
Earth said:
Honestly, you'd need to rebuild the whole game. Move settlements around. Establish proper trade routes and roads. As the guys said, Rivet City and Tenpenny Tower both need rings of poverty surrounding them. More buildings, more NPCs. .
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fallout 3 would have that, if it took place 200 years after the war. but for all appearances, the one we got feels like only a few years after. that's why there's salisbury steak all around, and no societal rebuilding. everything is inchoate and undeveloped. hopefully fallout 4 really does take place when it's supposed to.
 
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berlin1945 said:
Earth said:
Honestly, you'd need to rebuild the whole game. Move settlements around. Establish proper trade routes and roads. As the guys said, Rivet City and Tenpenny Tower both need rings of poverty surrounding them. More buildings, more NPCs. .
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that sounds really great. it's what fallout 3 would be, if it really were 200 years after the war. but for all appearances, the one we got feels only like a few years after. that's why there's salisbury steak all around, and there is no rebuilding yet. everything is inchoate and undeveloped. bones but no meat. given years, the meat would be on there. hopefully fallout 4 includes a lot of meat.
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Doubt it. It's Bethesda!
 
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