I like fallout 3

[Black Angel]

Uh, no I don't? As a matter of fact, if you recall I even fucking came to your defense earlier saying you were justified in calling it an RPG

He's been doing this for awhile. He's stating some 'opinions', people came to give objections towards that opinion and merely asked him why he thinks of that opinion, and all he does in response is this shit:

The dialogue between talking to people comes off in a joking way and is to lighthearted, and there are way to many 4th wall breaks, it ruined the immersion that fallout 1 had. Like that retarded gatekeeper special encounter in fallout 2, what do you have against me for liking certain games you don’t?

Why are you probing my preference in tone of video games, I just don’t like the direction that it took int it’s tone, I only went as far as to when I was pretending to be one of the enclave. You know I’m just about to leave this site, I feel slightly antagonized for my preference in video games so I’d rather not stick around here

But do you look down on me for liking fallout 3 and my opinions on it? that’s all I want to know.

How about we agree to disagree, I’m spending more time arguing about these games than Me playing them, I can respect your viewpoints against the game and only hope you can respect mine

So you can’t respect my point of view?

Implying that Pariah Dog weren't respecting his point of view. I mean, a little later Pariah Dog DOES begin to look obnoxious in his replies, but that's because Helloitme were stirring him in that direction by repeatedly asking why he 'doesn't respect his point of view' when all that Pariah Dog did prior to it is merely asking questions.
And now, the newest one, pointed out at you, TerminallyChill

i mean seriously, do what if people think fallout 3 is a good RPG, are my experiences roleplaying and everyone else’s, invalid or bad because you think so?

 

[Risewild]

This is true?

If you kill his mother he can still be a companion?

Does he at least make a protest?

Oh, he tells you to shut up and listen.

If you helped his mom:
Lone Wanderer: What makes you think I came back to help you?
Butch: Because you're a goody two-shoes, right? You get off on helping people in trouble? Isn't that why you saved my mom?
Butch: I bet she'd thank you herself, but she and I ain't exactly on speaking terms at the moment. At least, not when she's sober. {Pretty callous about his mom.}
Butch: But I tell you, your old man had the right idea. I can't stand it down here anymore. You gotta help me get out.

If his mom dies (radroaches or you kill her):
Lone Wanderer: Oh look, Butch is begging for my help. How'd that work out for you last time?
Butch: You shut up! Just shut up and listen, okay? {The player hit a nerve - his mom died last time he asked the player for help.}
Butch: Listen, you're about the only person who ever had the sense to get out of this place. {half angry, half pleading}
Butch: I tell you, your old man had the right idea. I can't stand it down here anymore. You gotta help me get out.

 

[Cobra Commander]

pathetic.

Remember when Veronica becomes hostile when you meet her for the first time and tell her that you kill the entire BoS? Probably not, because this is a super obscure route. But is there. Because makes sense.

that's how you create a fucking RPG.

 

[Pwener]

pathetic.

Remember when Veronica becomes hostile when you meet her for the first time and tell her that you kill the entire BoS? Probably not, because this is a super obscure route. But is there. Because makes sense.

that's how you create a fucking RPG.

Contrast Veronica's hostile reaction to a total stranger who just told her he/she killed her family to Butch who probably felt he deserved to lose his mom due to 19 years of bullying this person.

 

[Risewild]

Contrast Veronica's hostile reaction to a total stranger who just told her he/she killed her family to Butch who probably felt he deserved to lose his mom due to 19 years of bullying this person.

Yes, because Butch didn't spend all his life hating the Lone wanderer... So if the Lone Wanderer kills Butch's mother, he will really come back and all of a sudden like the Lone Wanderer so much it will want to follow them around and even die for them on the wasteland. All while never change that character's attitude/personality in any way.

pathetic.

Remember when Veronica becomes hostile when you meet her for the first time and tell her that you kill the entire BoS? Probably not, because this is a super obscure route. But is there. Because makes sense.

that's how you create a fucking RPG.

Remember when Boone attacks the player if the player fails a speech check and says he picked someone randomly for Boone to blow their head off?

 

[Helloitme]

all I said was that fallout 3 was a good RPG

 

[Helloitme]

Is there something wrong with me enjoying it as an RPG?
(The reason I’m asking these type of questions is to see how this site is towards people who like fallout 3)

 

[Risewild]

Nothing wrong, I like Fallout 3 myself.

 

[Norzan]

Nothing wrong, I like Fallout 3 myself.

Burn the heretic!

 

[Black Angel]

all I said was that fallout 3 was a good RPG

Liking something and saying how the thing you liked is 'good' is two different things, i.e just because you 'liked' something, doesn't mean it's 'good'. It's okay for you to like Fallout 3, but if you go around proclaiming how it's a 'good RPG' then you need to brace yourself and be ready to argue for such an opinion.

Is there something wrong with me enjoying it as an RPG?
(The reason I’m asking these type of questions is to see how this site is towards people who like fallout 3)

Well, hello there AccountNameM, should've said this much sooner so I don't have to waste my fucking time reading this piece of shit of a thread.

 

[Risewild]

Burn the heretic!

It's a good platform for mod making, although after FNV I never again looked back when I want to make a mod.

 

[Norzan]

It's a good platform for mod making, although after FNV I never again looked back when I want to make a mod.

Buuuurn!


On a serious note, i don't care if people like Fallout 3 but if you gonna claim it's a good RPG, then it isn't. If you just compare it to the first two games and New Vegas, it is not a good RPG. It's a barebones one in terms of RPG elements.

 

[Risewild]

Buuuurn!


On a serious note, i don't care if people like Fallout 3 but if you gonna claim it's a good RPG, then it isn't. If you just compare it to the first two games and New Vegas, it is not a good RPG. It's a barebones one in terms of RPG elements.

Don't use gifs I made against me!

 

[Helloitme]

OHH, I get it, I’m not allowed to think fallout 3 is a good RPG and my opinion is wrong. Okay, sorry for having the wrong opinion, I’ll just shift my perspective on the game because you guys don’t like it.

 

[Risewild]

The core fundamentals of a RPG is that mainly the characters skills, attributes, stats, etc. will be used for those character to interact with the world and succeed or fail in whatever they are trying to achieve.

RPGs do not mainly use player skill besides the "mental act" of deciding things and telling the character to do them.
In RPGs we tell the character(s) what we want them to do and they have to do it themselves using the stats and "blah blah blah" I said before. This is what makes a game a RPG in every single RPG genre ever made.

While I enjoy Fallout 3, it unfortunately relies too much on player skill to achieve most character tasks. Also character skills and stats are very shallow and rarely used to deal with any task. There are a few skill checks and attribute checks, but they are too few when compared with all the stuff the player has to do and not the character.

To me Fallout 3 is still a RPG, because it still uses the character skills and stats and has checks for those. But it is a very weak one because it relies much more on player skill than a RPG should. Making it a very simple hybrid of (mainly) being a shooter with RPG elements.

So if anyone wants to debate this point with me, feel free to throw your arguments at me. I enjoy a good debate.

 

[Norzan]

That combined with the fact that main quest really has no branching paths of any kind, a large amount of the sidequests have only one outcome, quests that do have more than one outcome have you become either Jesus or Hitler and an intro that barely allows roleplaying, just turn the game into a very poor RPG.

 

[TerminallyChill]

Jesus Christ I just stated an opinion. Why do you refer to me as uncultured and ignorant just because I like something you don’t?

And I have played fallout new Vegas and fallout 1, but I still think fallout 3 is good in this regard. You know what? Why don’t we just chalk up the roleplaying mechanics as to a subjective topic, like the Big Mac/burger reference you gave. I can’t convince you it’s a good RPG and you can’t convince me it’s a bad one, mostly because our experience with roleplaying in the game are too different to compare

I compared you to someone appearing uncultured and ignorant for thinking McDonald's food was good. I stand by this analogy because as a developer, when I hear somebody claim a game with essentially two fucking endings and a handful of skill checks is a well crafted western style RPG, I can only assume one of two things:

A) You're huffing glue.
B) You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Opinions are of course subjective, but there is a measurable difference between an informed opinion and one spawned from inexperience. I can tell without even having to ask that you've never worked on developing a WRPG before. What you're saying is just that obviously stupid.

Is there something wrong with me enjoying it as an RPG?
(The reason I’m asking these type of questions is to see how this site is towards people who like fallout 3)

Most people only have to spend 10 minutes lurking here to figure that one out.

OHH, I get it, I’m not allowed to think fallout 3 is a good RPG and my opinion is wrong. Okay, sorry for having the wrong opinion, I’ll just shift my perspective on the game because you guys don’t like it.

You're completely allowed to think Fallout 3 is a good RPG. Just don't expect anyone to ever respect your assessments on game design again.

 

[Helloitme]

I compared you to someone appearing uncultured and ignorant for thinking McDonald's food was good. I stand by this analogy because as a developer, when I hear somebody claim a game with essentially two fucking endings and a handful of skill checks is a well crafted western style RPG, I can only assume one of two things:

A) You're huffing glue.
B) You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Opinions are of course subjective, but there is a measurable difference between an informed opinion and one spawned from inexperience. I can tell without even having to ask that you've never worked on developing a WRPG before. What you're saying is just that obviously stupid.



Most people only have to spend 10 minutes lurking here to figure that one out.



You're completely allowed to think Fallout 3 is a good RPG. Just don't expect anyone to ever respect your assessments on game design again.

So your calling me ignorant for having a different opinion. Tell me, what’s it like being an elitist?

 

[Norzan]

So your calling me ignorant for having a different opinion. Tell me, what’s it like being an elitist?

There's such a thing called uninformed opinion and others already explained why Fallout 3 isn't a good RPG. You can't just claim things with no strong evidence and then hide behind the "opinion wall". When you have much better metrics for what is considered a good RPG, then you can't just claim a much less inferior game in terms of RPG as a good RPG.

 

[Risewild]

A RPG game doesn't even need to allow role-playing though.

The thing with RPGs is that allowing role-playing does enrich the game, but it is not necessary to have a real RPG.

Many games allow role-playing, but not all of those are RPGs, and many RPGs don't allow role-playing but they are still RPGs.

What many times confuses people these days is that they expect the Roleplaying in RPGs to be Role-playing. Notice how I spelled both differently, because they are two different things altogether and I need a way of distinguish them.

Roleplaying in RPGs means you are playing the role of that character(s), that is the only role you are "assuming". You are not pretending to be the character, you are pretending to be that character's role in the world/game/situation/etc. This means that the player decides things for the character, but the character has to do them.
Role-playing is pretending and/or acting like you are a different person or you're in a different situation than the one you're in.

So it is easy for a player to role-play they are Snake in Metal Gear games, but that doesn't make those games RPGs. Because the player is role-playing the character and not playing the role of that character in the world. Play the role of a character in the world =/= from pretending to be a character in that world.

For example, in a normal Metal Gear game, the player has to control Snake movement using buttons/keys, has to go close to an enemy this way, has to go behind the enemy and press whatever button or button combination for Snake to choke the enemy. While in a RPG the player would tell Snake to sneak behind the enemy and then choke it, Snake would then use his skills and attributes and usually would pit those against the enemy's skill and attributes to see if he could approach the enemy without detection and choke the enemy successfully.

I am really tired at the moment so I hope this makes sense. Also I even forgot why I was typing this in the first place...