Cliffy McEdgeface
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name some silly parts from Fallout 2
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Jesus guys, are you trying to deny now that Fo2 has a quite huge shift in tone he just doesn't like, or what?
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
No, anything but. I could sit here for a long time and nitpick Fallout 2, but I want to hear what HE thinks was sillly
Black Angel
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While I understand how one would stand Fallout 1 but not Fallout 2, calling Fallout 2 felt silly yet you liking Fallout 3 and even went into great lengths to defend it (especially that obnoxious attempt at trying to compare Run Goodspring Run/Ghost Town Gunfight vs. Power of Atom) makes me question what would you call 'silly'.
Looking at it, this discussion is showing symptoms of turning into 'Do people still rank F2 above F3?'. Tbh, I don't actually know what that mdksmejflsk guy posted in NMA, and I didn't care enough to pay attention to his posts in the Codex because he's an obvious Bethestard from the look of what he posted there, but the last few posts here seems like they want to compare Fallout 2 vs. Fallout 3 in terms of 'silliness'.
Anyway, Fallout 2 might've had huge shift in tone, but 'huge shift in tone' couldn't describe how far Fallout 3 went to present itself based on its tone compared to how Fallout 1&2 did. Maybe if Fallout 3 was your first Fallout, it would felt 'atmospherically post-apocalyptic', but we all know Fallout 1 (and even 2) had fundamentally different idea as to what 'post-apocalyptic' means for them.
The dialogue between talking to people comes off in a joking way and is to lighthearted, and there are way to many 4th wall breaks, it ruined the immersion that fallout 1 had. Like that retarded gatekeeper special encounter in fallout 2, what do you have against me for liking certain games you don’t?
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
So a map event and some dialogue. Tell me more, especially about the dialogue.
Come to think of it, how far did you get in Fallout 2? For reference.
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Why are you probing my preference in tone of video games, I just don’t like the direction that it took int it’s tone, I only went as far as to when I was pretending to be one of the enclave. You know I’m just about to leave this site, I feel slightly antagonized for my preference in video games so I’d rather not stick around here
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I don't know, for a silly thing I can think of precisely what welcomes you to the game, a doom temple where you have to prove your worth to acquire a magical relic, that is never really explained it's purpose, how it came to be or just why don't they live inside it after killing all the ants or something.
While Fallout 3 is "dumb", it's got it's own tone. Mostly shared by 4. It's more about mechanical humour (woo, a weapon that shoots teddy bears or a dart gun made with toys) and generally light heartedness that doesn't drop the contrast with the post apocalyptic background whose inhabitants, in classic Bethesda fashion, take a bit too seriously.
In the other hand, Fallout 2 has like 3-5 encounters featuring incredibly obvious Monthy Python references, you can become a porn star, take your Supermutant friend to the titty bar, work for Italian mobsters, get back someone's spleen, fight xenomorphs, and kill Republicans. The 4th wall breaks and the self referential humour often feels more like Duke Nukem than anything. That doesn't mean j dislike it of course, 2 is my favourite out of the originals, but the reasons for it are hardly populated by anything related to the story, tone or themes.
There is a "somewhat" more jarring transition from Fo1 to Fo2, than there is from either to 3. I feel like @Helloitme is just not picking the right words and you're getting on his tits for it.
While Fallout 3 is "dumb", it's got it's own tone. Mostly shared by 4. It's more about mechanical humour (woo, a weapon that shoots teddy bears or a dart gun made with toys) and generally light heartedness that doesn't drop the contrast with the post apocalyptic background whose inhabitants, in classic Bethesda fashion, take a bit too seriously.
In the other hand, Fallout 2 has like 3-5 encounters featuring incredibly obvious Monthy Python references, you can become a porn star, take your Supermutant friend to the titty bar, work for Italian mobsters, get back someone's spleen, fight xenomorphs, and kill Republicans. The 4th wall breaks and the self referential humour often feels more like Duke Nukem than anything. That doesn't mean j dislike it of course, 2 is my favourite out of the originals, but the reasons for it are hardly populated by anything related to the story, tone or themes.
There is a "somewhat" more jarring transition from Fo1 to Fo2, than there is from either to 3. I feel like @Helloitme is just not picking the right words and you're getting on his tits for it.
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
So Navarro? That's pretty late game. I'm surprised you stuck with it that long. There's a lot of really silly stuff between Arroyo and Navarro.
So your not listening to I word I say? Ok
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
I'm paying attention to your answers to my questions. I could not possibly care less about anything else. Emotional appeals about tone mean dick and squat to me. If I want to be tone-policed I'll go to some godsforsaken shithole like ResetERA.
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
Look down on you? It matters little to me what you like. What I find more interesting is your willingness to jump on grenades for Fallout 3, combined with your simultaneous dismissal of Fallout 2.
I don't look down on you. I don't care enough about your personal tastes to do that. But arguments and debates about the merits of the Fallout games, well, that goes beyond just personal taste.
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But he's talking about personal taste. It's the thread title and OP.
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
This is not "personal taste". This is "nuh uh, you're wrong".
He does this fairly often throughout the thread.
And he's getting them.
Helloitme,
There is no denying Fallout 2 has some silly parts and 4th wall breaking that are annoying. But you can just close your eyes when it happen, and focus on the serious. But it is annoying, though I remember when the game came out, some people loved the monthy python references, and other pop stuffs, even if it's out of place.
I too prefer Fallout 1 over 2, but you can't say that the tone shifting, when it is serious, isn't interesting? It's 80 years later, the wasteland evolve and try to create new societies, with the brutal politics that come with it. Things can't stand still forever in the big picture, not if you want a coherent and somewhat realistic world.
However I must say that when you reach the Enclave/near end, you just had enough and want the game to end at once. I also reconize that the all 'tribal' stuffs were unengaging, as is the story of the Vault Dweller after Fallout 1, in fact what they made up for him, and to justify the existence of Arroyo sort of always bothered me, as it toned down the sad brutal ending of him walking out in the wastes.
To be completely honest, Fallout 1 is the only game to be completly 'canon' in my head. I can take parts of some serious stuffs I like in Fallout 2, and soon probably in Fallout New Vegas too, but not as a entire story.
There is no denying Fallout 2 has some silly parts and 4th wall breaking that are annoying. But you can just close your eyes when it happen, and focus on the serious. But it is annoying, though I remember when the game came out, some people loved the monthy python references, and other pop stuffs, even if it's out of place.
I too prefer Fallout 1 over 2, but you can't say that the tone shifting, when it is serious, isn't interesting? It's 80 years later, the wasteland evolve and try to create new societies, with the brutal politics that come with it. Things can't stand still forever in the big picture, not if you want a coherent and somewhat realistic world.
However I must say that when you reach the Enclave/near end, you just had enough and want the game to end at once. I also reconize that the all 'tribal' stuffs were unengaging, as is the story of the Vault Dweller after Fallout 1, in fact what they made up for him, and to justify the existence of Arroyo sort of always bothered me, as it toned down the sad brutal ending of him walking out in the wastes.
To be completely honest, Fallout 1 is the only game to be completly 'canon' in my head. I can take parts of some serious stuffs I like in Fallout 2, and soon probably in Fallout New Vegas too, but not as a entire story.
Cliffy McEdgeface
bitch I will cut you
Why does it matter to you if some rando on the internet "respects" your point of view? Regardless, respect is earned, it's not a default state. I can say you're perfectly entitled to your point of view, and you're perfectly entitled to defend it how you see fit, and as a consequence everyone else is allowed to poke holes in your boat as they see fit, and you're free to counter-argue, and so on and so forth. Is that what you have confused with the term "respect"? Because if not I don't think we're going to get very far here.