I wonder just how badly oppressive the Pre-War world was?

[Bloodway]

I've been wondering just how bad the Pre-War world was when it came to oppression and just how fascistic totalitarian it actually was?

Well for example this video just replace the word "Heretic" with "Communist" and you get the same result and is this pretty accurate?



I guess there was a good reason why the Great War happened in the first place when it came doing a world a favor (at least wiping out that totalitarian hellhole world state clean) thus giving humanity a chance to build a better future which also also means any factions emulating the past (like the NCR, Legion, etc) are only going to repeat it's mistakes that either lead to the Great War in the first place or lead to it's inevitable collapse hence being a dead end street (or both).

I guess this is the main point of Fallout which is really about the dangers of emulating the past (hence what "War never Changes" arc words mean) and instead look forwards the future.

 

[R.Graves]

It had to have been at least like... A 4.

 

[Bloodway]

It had to have been at least like... A 4.

What do you mean?

 

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

What do you mean?

Yeah what did he mean by this?

memes

 

[Kadscaner]

Why is this in the Wasteland forum? Go to the Fallout forum.

 

[Bloodway]

Why is this in the Wasteland forum? Go to the Fallout forum.

I didn't know where to put this thread when I made it, maybe a moderator can move it.

 

[0wing]

I wonder what was Wasteland's old world.

 

[Kadscaner]

I didn't know where to put this thread when I made it, maybe a moderator can move it.

If you have any questions like this you should put them in the Fallout General discussion page.

 

[Bloodway]

If you have any questions like this you should put them in the Fallout General discussion page.

Too late now it seems and plus it looks like the threads topic is getting derailed due to this.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Okay, if this is Fallout related I will put it in the General Fallout forum.

 

[Dr Fallout]

America was extremely oppressive, but half handed at doing so. It allowed reporters to find out about FEV, it unfiltered the mass killings in Canada and allowed the rise of public dissent, which the government responded by declaring open war on civilians.

 

[Bloodway]

America was extremely oppressive, but half handed at doing so. It allowed reporters to find out about FEV, it unfiltered the mass killings in Canada and allowed the rise of public dissent, which the government responded by declaring open war on civilians.

Makes me wonder why this was also one the "reasons" the Great War started as a way to wipe out dissent or rather as if they declared "Exterminatus"...making that video I've posted above in my OP pretty accurate to the events that led up to the Great War. Of course they also did it to ensure to prevent a revolution (especially as 'foretold' by Karl Marx) from happening resulting them being overthrown.

It would also perfectly explain the reason why for the Enclave was trying to wipe out everyone on Earth other than their own little genepool in Fallout 2 (as if they were trying to finish off where they started from the Great War) or rather as if they pretty much shown their true colors by then as if. It all makes sense if you think about it...

 

[TorontoReign]

Nah. Everything was all sunshine and Nuke Cola according to Fallout 4's opening intro.

 

[CT Phipps]

Nah. Everything was all sunshine and Nuke Cola according to Fallout 4's opening intro.

Well, bluntly, Warhammer 40K is....well, stupid. It's deliriously humorously stupid in the way that Judge Dredd is. It's an overthetop parody of fascism. I say that as a fan of the setting that it's Spanish Inquisition Thatcherite Space Nazis designed to be the ultimate phobia of 80s left-leaning college age Brits.

I imagine of the Pre-War government is more NORMAL fascism. Ironically, akin to the V For Vendetta movie version. Everyone lives perfectly normal and happy lives with loved ones regularly murdered and blackbagged. There's a layer of superficial beauty over the horrible mass graves.

 

[TorontoReign]

I don't know. If people were being gunned down in the street in Canada I would expect people to be talking about it.

 

[Vergil]

Nah. Everything was all sunshine and Nuke Cola according to Fallout 4's opening intro.

Yea shit like that just really shows that bethesda can't make up their mind about the Pre-War. Was it an oppressive, warmongering dictatorship masquerading as Democracy with a populace griped by fear and paranoia or was it a stereotypical 50s dreamland with cheery people, no racism and open lesbianism like in Fallout 4's intro?

 

[CT Phipps]

I don't know. If people were being gunned down in the street in Canada I would expect people to be talking about it.

Fascism being what it is, they'd have a reason for why it was a good thing.

Besides, the Canadians were out to get us.

Operation: Leaf Blower was about ending a clear and present threat to our sovereignty.

The maple syrup prices were economic warfare.

Yea shit like that just really shows that bethesda can't make up their mind about the Pre-War. Was it an oppressive, warmongering dictatorship masquerading as Democracy with a populace griped by fear and paranoia or was it a stereotypical 50s dreamland with cheery people, no racism and open lesbianism like in Fallout 4's intro?

You realize that good writing wouldn't have it be either, right? Functioning settings are not shallow parodies but mixtures of good and bad.

 

[Vergil]

Fascism being what it is, they'd have a reason for why it was a good thing.

And they'd be right tbh fam

You realize that good writing wouldn't have it be either, right? Functioning settings are not shallow parodies but mixtures of good and bad.

Right, and bethesda isn't good enough to do that but they also can't make up their mind which shallow parody they're going for. You release that good writing wouldn't be in a bethesda game right?

 

[CT Phipps]

Right, and bethesda isn't good enough to do that but they also can't make up their mind which shallow parody they're going for.

The 1950s is, of course, the best time for doing the kind of "superficial charm over a horrible underbelly." The 1950s were lionized by conservatives in America when everyone was happy, smiling, and "people" knew their place. It was, of course, a horribly repressive time with no free speech, segregation, government oppression, sexism, and forced conformity.

So, I think the Pre-War world is meant to be superficially happy with super-science and prosperity while people were being murdered for stepping out of line, people were being shoved into internment camps, and the government was murdering other nations for their resources.

 

[Vergil]

The 1950s is, of course, the best time for doing the kind of "superficial charm over a horrible underbelly." The 1950s were lionized by conservatives in America when everyone was happy, smiling, and "people" knew their place. It was, of course, a horribly repressive time with no free speech, segregation, government oppression, sexism, and forced conformity.

Oh Lord I'm not even going to get into this leftist wank of a paragraph. Go back to Russia China commie.

So, I think the Pre-War world is meant to be superficially happy with super-science and prosperity while people were being murdered for stepping out of line, people were being shoved into internment camps, and the government was murdering other nations for their resources.

But the values don't match up at all. What would be a hyper xenophobic society that would be paranoid of everyone from their neighbors to their own family members be totally fine with their multicultural society where you can have the main character and their spouse be Asian despite there being an obvious anti-Asian sentiment. Or things like interracial couples even though this would be a society where everyone would clearly stick to their own. Theres just a large jump in believably that Pre-War America was apparently a Leftist strawman of the 50s but at the same time completely fine with things like multiculturalism even with the people they were fighting against.