Oh noes, BethSoft developers aren't coming here to discuss Fallblivion with us! This is even worse than Chuck Cuevas not wanting to give Odin an interview!frissy said:
Really, who gives a shit? Read BethSoft developers' posts here and at DAC and you will be hard-pressed to find anything of value.
Why bother discussing something that is by definition doomed to suck? Because it's possible to make it suck less? Please. Nobody in the Fallout community will want to play a Fallout Online, unless they are of the kind that gets hooked to MMOs easily, so why should anyone care to offer input about a game that has nothing to do with Fallout, CRPGs or common sense?
Translation: "I don't have an adequate response to Ratty's arguments, so I'm just going to pretend they don't exist."
Well done, frissy, you have demonstrated your ability to spin and lie your way through a debate by selectively responding to arguments. Now, how about addressing the rest of the paragraph, where I explain *why* this combat system would suck completely?
I have already pointed out why using the success of WoW as an argument in a discussion about FOOL is a straw man. Let me reiterate, for your benefit, seeing as you apparently have comprehensive skills of a brick: Fallout is a CRPG, not an RTS. And I have also explained, at length, why it isn't possible to have true CRPG mechanics in an MMO, but as usual, you neglected to address my explanation.
Also, do you have any statistical data proving that WoW is a raging success among fans of the Warcraft RTS? Because most Warcraft fans I talked to don't much care for WoW. A few do, but they claim to be playing it because they also enjoy MMOs.
Here's some more food for thought:
1. Shady Sands is suffering from radscorpion attacks. The townsfolk enlist aid of a group of players, who go to radscorpion caves and deal with them. Radscorpions are no longer attacking Shady Sands. Consequences gallore! But what's that? Dozens of low-level players arrive at Shady Sands, but there is nothing for them to do there, because the problem has already been solved! Unhappy with the lack of content in a game they are paying $15 a month to play, the players log out and cancel their subscriptions.
2. About a hundred players make a living hunting geckos around Klamath. Suddenly, a high-level player arrives at Klamath, goes berserk and slaughters the populace. The hunters now have nowhere to sell their gecko skins. Disgruntled, they log out and cancel their subscriptions.
It's called "being capable of rational thought".
Congratulations, you have just proven yourself to be a grade A moron, as well as a terrible debater. Why? Because nowhere in that interview do either Gordon Walton or James Ohlen explain *how* precisely they plan to address the issue of player actions and choices not mattering in an MMO. They merely acknowledge its existence without offering solutions. Knowing BioWare and their utter incompetence in designing CRPGs, this is just empty PR drivel and there never *will* be any solutions. Either way, the interview is worthless and doesn't refute my arguments. You lose.
So why call it Fallout Online if you don't plan to market it to Fallout fans? Why not call it Nuclear Wastes Online? Or (as LazyD suggested) Mad Max Online? Is raping the Fallout franchise some kind of a prerequisite for a post-apocalyptic online game? I simply don't understand why you're so desperate to defend the idea of a Fallout MMO, when you *know* it will neither appeal to Fallout fans nor have anything whatsoever to do with Fallout.
There are both sci-fi MMOs and post-apocalyptic MMOs out there. Stop by at mmorpg.com and see for yourself. The market is terribly oversaturated, and every person in the world knows it, except you and Herve.
Pardon me, but aren't we talking about Fallout Online? If you were just arguing it was possible to do a post-apocalyptic MMO that looks and plays just like every other MMO that came before it, but also happens to have "Fallout" slapped on the box, then I would agree with you, because it's possible to do a game like that.
However, that's not what you are arguing. No, you are arguing it's possible to do an MMO that successfully emulates style and mechanics of the Fallout CRPGs, but you have so far proven yourself to be utterly incapable of proving that.
Oh, something's retarded here, alright...
I'll repeat what I have said in our last discussion: offer some coherent arguments to back that claim or shut the fuck up. You can start by addressing *any* of the issues Sander and I raised, both here and in the discussion that got vatted. Either way, cut out this moronic waffling, because it got tiresome long ago.
