Is anybody else sick of the Mario franchise?

[TorontoReign]

It's a shame Sonic sucks since Sonic Adventure 2, though. ;__;

Yes. They're publishing awesome games, while Nintendo went into toy manufacturing. I know which one I prefer.

Hilariously little changed from the original war. Genesis still does what Nintendoesn't.

Sega publishes awesome games? Let me look....

Vanquish, Bayonetta, Anarchy Reigns, House of the dead: Overkill, Valkyria Cronichles. Your opinion is invalid.

Bayonetta is good, and the rest are pretty meh. House of the Dead is only good in the Arcade.


Now lets post all of the good Nintendo games ....


Vanquish really?

 

[Brother None]

Play the recent ones, Stanislao, then see if you still feel that way. The physics are a little off in Sonic 4 but mostly hell yeah, especially Generations.

Sega publishes awesome games? Let me look....

Yip. They've been on a major roll of late, from Alpha Protocol onwards. Aside from Stanislao's list, there's Sonic Generations, Sonic 4, Binary Domain, etc. Total War too, I guess, and don't forget Mario & Sonic Games are Sega's, not Nintendo's, for those who enjoyed 'em. They're also publishing Double Fine's upcoming The Cave.

Their PR department kind of sucks, but there's a reason Sega's revenue and net income have been ramping up fairly steadily since 2006, up to a net income of ¥41.5 billion in 2011, compared to Nintendo that is spiraling down since '09, to ¥77.6 billion.

The console industry is a disaster area anyway. No real profitability in this generation, and the obsession with handhelds will kill Sony and Nintendo if they keep it up. The best answer Nintendo has is the Wii U. Poor guys.

Now lets post all of the good Nintendo games ....

I honestly can't even think of one. Do they still make games for adults?

 

[TorontoReign]

Yip. They've been on a major roll of late, from Alpha Protocol onwards. Aside from Stanislao's list, there's Sonic Generations, Sonic 4, Binary Domain, etc. Total War too, I guess, and don't forget Mario & Sonic Games are Sega's, not Nintendo's, for those who enjoyed 'em. They're also publishing Double Fine's upcoming The Cave.

Their PR department kind of sucks, but there's a reason Sega's revenue and net income have been ramping up fairly steadily since 2006, up to a net income of ¥41.5 billion in 2011, compared to Nintendo that is spiraling down since '09, to ¥77.6 billion.

The console industry is a disaster area anyway. No real profitability in this generation, and the obsession with handhelds will kill Sony and Nintendo if they keep it up. The best answer Nintendo has is the Wii U. Poor guys.

I honestly can't even think of one. Do they still make games for adults?

I just realized how far Nintendo has fallen after looking at the Wii and 3DS titles released over the past two years. There are a few good games, but not too many. I stand corrected... although I still think that Sega sucks.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

Sega still doesn't measure up to Nintendo. Sorry. Other than Total War, and some old Genesis titles, Sega still sucks.

During the Dreamcast era almost everything Sega did was solid gold. Give me a shot when Nintendo does something like Rez, Jet Set Radio, Space Channel 5 and SegaGaGa.

Nintendo is great but they stay mostly in their comfort zone.

Vanquish really? I beg to differ

What's next? God Hand is a bad game?

 

[TorontoReign]

Sega still doesn't measure up to Nintendo. Sorry. Other than Total War, and some old Genesis titles, Sega still sucks.

During the Dreamcast era almost everything Sega did was solid gold. Give me a shot when Nintendo does something like Rez, Jet Set Radio, Space Channel 5 and SegaGaGa.

Nintendo is great but they stay mostly in their comfort zone.

Vanquish really? I beg to differ

What's next? God Hand is a bad game?

If we are going back to when Dreamcast was out, Nintendo still had fresh games back then. Killer 7, Rogue Squadron 2, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Pikmin, and Eternal Darkness - were all awesome games around that time. Coming up with the Wii was kinda leaving the comfort zone right?



I agree, Vanquish was a pretty good game, but it wasn't all that. I wouldn't call it awesome. It was pretty standard fair. I am pretty picky though. I have played a lot of bad Sega games I guess. Especially the movie related ones like Iron Man and Captain America. To be fair, they weren't that bad. Sonic 4 isn't any better than Super Mario Galaxy 2 either.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

If we are going back to when Dreamcast was out, Nintendo still had fresh games back then. Killer 7, Rogue Squadron 2, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Pikmin, and Eternal Darkness - were all awesome games around that time.

Er...Killer 7 and REmake are Capcom games, Rogue Squadron was made by Lucasarts.
But I wasn't trying to compare the games list anyway, just countering your claim that Sega did only some good stuff in the very old days. Sega has had ups and downs in its history but their highs are incredible.

Coming up with the Wii was kinda leaving the comfort zone right?

In terms of games? No. Most of the stuff they did on the Wii was their usual stuff, and most of what wasn't their usual stuff was made with a shoestring budget.

I agree, Vanquish was a pretty good game, but it wasn't all that. I wouldn't call it awesome. It was pretty standard fair.

Let's just agree that you are wron...I mean, disagree. Agree to disagree. That's what I meant, yeah.

 

[TorontoReign]

If we are going back to when Dreamcast was out, Nintendo still had fresh games back then. Killer 7, Rogue Squadron 2, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Pikmin, and Eternal Darkness - were all awesome games around that time.

Er...Killer 7 and REmake are Capcom games, Rogue Squadron was made by Lucasarts.
But I wasn't trying to compare the games list anyway, just countering your claim that Sega did only some good stuff in the very old days. Sega has had ups and downs in its history but their highs are incredible.

You are right. Those two titles stuck out and were something that Nintendo normally wouldn't publish, but they allowed someone else to do it. It's kinda directed at Brothers comment too, about the Sega/Nintendo console war. I meant Nintendo games in general, but yeah I guess it doesn't matter much.



To each their own I guess. I think they did a great job with the Wii. I am not impressed in the least bit with the Wii U though, so I'm not a huge Nintendo fan right now, but up until recently I thought Nintendo was doing pretty great.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

To each their own I guess. I think they did a great job with the Wii. I am not impressed in the least bit with the Wii U though, so I'm not a huge Nintendo fan right now, but up until recently I thought Nintendo was doing pretty great.

How so? There are maybe what, 20 games (being generous) worth owning for Wii? I might even be more snobbish and say 10. That's not including Wiiware which adds a few NES and SNES style games (sequels). The Wii has managed to fall on it's face after a successful launch. It just didn't go anywhere.

I hadn't realized that Bayonetta wasn't Capcom, talk about a monumental fuck up in closing Clover Studios. I hadn't realized that Sega had rebounded recently, though I am noticing that they are doing so with good publishing decisions and acquisitions rather than developing a lot with their old studios.

 

[mobucks]

Well every Gamecube game that was ever good can be popped into a Wii and played. Tis how I initially played REmake and Zero. Used game store FTW.

 

[TorontoReign]

To each their own I guess. I think they did a great job with the Wii. I am not impressed in the least bit with the Wii U though, so I'm not a huge Nintendo fan right now, but up until recently I thought Nintendo was doing pretty great.

How so? There are maybe what, 20 games (being generous) worth owning for Wii? I might even be more snobbish and say 10. That's not including Wiiware which adds a few NES and SNES style games (sequels). The Wii has managed to fall on it's face after a successful launch. It just didn't go anywhere.

I hadn't realized that Bayonetta wasn't Capcom, talk about a monumental fuck up in closing Clover Studios. I hadn't realized that Sega had rebounded recently, though I am noticing that they are doing so with good publishing decisions and acquisitions rather than developing a lot with their old studios.

The Wii did great for the first couple years until the novelty wore off. I knew of dozens of people that hardly played games, but owned Wii's, and were crazy about them. Sure Wii mainly appealed to casual gamers, but that worked out pretty well for them, until fairly recently. The 3DS screw up has seriously fucked them over too. 20 games would be pretty generous I suppose.



I agree with Mobucks. Gamecube games make the Wii bearable.

 

[.Pixote.]

I agree with Mobucks. Gamecube games make the Wii bearable.

So the Gamecube was that shitty, I had no idea...really I've never played with one so I'm ignorant about this stuff. Were there any good games released for the Gamecube?

 

[TorontoReign]

I agree with Mobucks. Gamecube games make the Wii bearable.

Were there any good games released for the Gamecube?

Quite a few. I mentioned a couple already. Paper Mario was pretty good IMO, so was Windwaker, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, FZero GX, Luigi's Mansion, and a few others I didn't mention. Eternal Darkness is probably my favorite.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

I hadn't realized that Sega had rebounded recently, though I am noticing that they are doing so with good publishing decisions and acquisitions rather than developing a lot with their old studios.

Well...actually they haven't. This last year has gone so badly that they are restructuring the company and there are rumors that Sega Europe and Creative Assembly will be closed next year.

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/05/1...al-and-social-as-packaged-game-sales-decline/

http://www.gamekyo.com/newsfr46962_sega-europe-devrait-annoncer-sa-fermeture.html

So the Gamecube was that shitty, I had no idea...really I've never played with one so I'm ignorant about this stuff. Were there any good games released for the Gamecube?

A lot. The GC was a good console, the problem was that it shared the market with the PS2. So, less support, less multiplats, less games per genre. It was still worth owning, even if you weren't into Nintendo games.

 

[Brother None]

Well...actually they haven't.

Yes they have. A very steady increase from 2006-2011 as many others went into decline. Aren't they doing so well now? No. But uh, I don't know if you noticed, but almost no one is. Sega's biggest problem is they suck at PR. Binary Domain was better than ME3, yet only a fraction of the sales.

The videogame industry is in a crisis, period. Sega isn't doing as badly as others. I am not immediately buying those Gamekyo rumors.

 

[plaidchuck]

Wow how many years later and we still have nintendo vs. sega arguments? I honestly liked both systems (NES/SNES and Genesis) but it seemed like Nintendo had the best "franchise" games (mario, zelda, final fantasy/squaresoft) while Sega had just too many forgettable and generic fighting and shooter games.

They certainly were ahead of their time with the Sega CD and Dreamcast/saturn but it seems they could never answer the question of "where do we go from here" after the Genesis.

Meanwhile Nintendo has just shot itself in the foot too many times. They let blockbusters like Metal Gear Solid and FFVII go and although the 64 had some good games in my opinion, Sony simply blew them away. I have no clue what the point of the Gamecube was, guess they felt they had to have a console that used CDs to fit in.

Finally, there's the Wii. When it came out it was fun and they definitely deserve points for being able to hit "non-standard" demographics like older people and casual gamers/families, but the novelty is wearing off. And I feel that people who may be casual gamers may still just go for the ps3/360 since both consoles offer other entertainment features than just games. In short, ever since the Playstation and other consoles came out it seems Nintendo doesnt know anything else but constantly regurgitate the Zelda and Mario franchises.

 

[TorontoReign]

http://www.destructoid.com/e3-hands-on-with-new-super-mario-bros-u-228862.phtml#ext


Looks pretty cool to me. It also seems to be adding a lot to the classic formula. What is the problem with this series again? Are the people that keep complaining about it even platformer fans? It seems like that is kinda the case with some people.

 

[Surf Solar]

This looks indeed pretty nice. If they would add a pixel shader for 2d fags like me, I would mayb even buy that game if I would own that console.

 

[TorontoReign]

This looks indeed pretty nice. If they would add a pixel shader for 2d fags like me, I would mayb even buy that game if I would own that console.

That is the main problem for me. I don't want to buy the Wii U, but some of the games look pretty cool.

 

[Walpknut]

The new Paper Mario is also looking pretty good, and it's on 3DS.

 

[The_Noob]

The new Paper Mario is also looking pretty good, and it's on 3DS.

Finally, something other than Street Fighter and 3D Netflix.