Is anybody else sick of the Mario franchise?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by BFox17, May 26, 2012.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    Bayonetta is good, and the rest are pretty meh. House of the Dead is only good in the Arcade.

    Now lets post all of the good Nintendo games .... :P

    Vanquish really? :monocle:
  2. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Apr 3, 2003
    Play the recent ones, Stanislao, then see if you still feel that way. The physics are a little off in Sonic 4 but mostly hell yeah, especially Generations.

    Yip. They've been on a major roll of late, from Alpha Protocol onwards. Aside from Stanislao's list, there's Sonic Generations, Sonic 4, Binary Domain, etc. Total War too, I guess, and don't forget Mario & Sonic Games are Sega's, not Nintendo's, for those who enjoyed 'em. They're also publishing Double Fine's upcoming The Cave.

    Their PR department kind of sucks, but there's a reason Sega's revenue and net income have been ramping up fairly steadily since 2006, up to a net income of ¥41.5 billion in 2011, compared to Nintendo that is spiraling down since '09, to ¥77.6 billion.

    The console industry is a disaster area anyway. No real profitability in this generation, and the obsession with handhelds will kill Sony and Nintendo if they keep it up. The best answer Nintendo has is the Wii U. Poor guys.

    I honestly can't even think of one. Do they still make games for adults?
  3. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    I just realized how far Nintendo has fallen after looking at the Wii and 3DS titles released over the past two years. There are a few good games, but not too many. I stand corrected... although I still think that Sega sucks.

  4. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    During the Dreamcast era almost everything Sega did was solid gold. Give me a shot when Nintendo does something like Rez, Jet Set Radio, Space Channel 5 and SegaGaGa.

    Nintendo is great but they stay mostly in their comfort zone.

    What's next? God Hand is a bad game?
  5. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    If we are going back to when Dreamcast was out, Nintendo still had fresh games back then. Killer 7, Rogue Squadron 2, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Pikmin, and Eternal Darkness - were all awesome games around that time. Coming up with the Wii was kinda leaving the comfort zone right?

    I agree, Vanquish was a pretty good game, but it wasn't all that. I wouldn't call it awesome. It was pretty standard fair. I am pretty picky though. I have played a lot of bad Sega games I guess. Especially the movie related ones like Iron Man and Captain America. To be fair, they weren't that bad. Sonic 4 isn't any better than Super Mario Galaxy 2 either.
  6. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Er...Killer 7 and REmake are Capcom games, Rogue Squadron was made by Lucasarts.
    But I wasn't trying to compare the games list anyway, just countering your claim that Sega did only some good stuff in the very old days. Sega has had ups and downs in its history but their highs are incredible.

    In terms of games? No. Most of the stuff they did on the Wii was their usual stuff, and most of what wasn't their usual stuff was made with a shoestring budget.

    Let's just agree that you are wron...I mean, disagree. Agree to disagree. That's what I meant, yeah. :P
  7. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    You are right. Those two titles stuck out and were something that Nintendo normally wouldn't publish, but they allowed someone else to do it. It's kinda directed at Brothers comment too, about the Sega/Nintendo console war. I meant Nintendo games in general, but yeah I guess it doesn't matter much.

    To each their own I guess. I think they did a great job with the Wii. I am not impressed in the least bit with the Wii U though, so I'm not a huge Nintendo fan right now, but up until recently I thought Nintendo was doing pretty great.
  8. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    How so? There are maybe what, 20 games (being generous) worth owning for Wii? I might even be more snobbish and say 10. That's not including Wiiware which adds a few NES and SNES style games (sequels). The Wii has managed to fall on it's face after a successful launch. It just didn't go anywhere.

    I hadn't realized that Bayonetta wasn't Capcom, talk about a monumental fuck up in closing Clover Studios. I hadn't realized that Sega had rebounded recently, though I am noticing that they are doing so with good publishing decisions and acquisitions rather than developing a lot with their old studios.
  9. mobucks

    mobucks jetski Orderite

    May 22, 2010
    Well every Gamecube game that was ever good can be popped into a Wii and played. Tis how I initially played REmake and Zero. Used game store FTW.
  10. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    The Wii did great for the first couple years until the novelty wore off. I knew of dozens of people that hardly played games, but owned Wii's, and were crazy about them. Sure Wii mainly appealed to casual gamers, but that worked out pretty well for them, until fairly recently. The 3DS screw up has seriously fucked them over too. 20 games would be pretty generous I suppose.

    I agree with Mobucks. Gamecube games make the Wii bearable.
  11. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Antediluvian as Feck

    Sep 14, 2009
    So the Gamecube was that shitty, I had no idea...really I've never played with one so I'm ignorant about this stuff. Were there any good games released for the Gamecube?
  12. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    Quite a few. I mentioned a couple already. Paper Mario was pretty good IMO, so was Windwaker, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, FZero GX, Luigi's Mansion, and a few others I didn't mention. Eternal Darkness is probably my favorite.
  13. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Well...actually they haven't. This last year has gone so badly that they are restructuring the company and there are rumors that Sega Europe and Creative Assembly will be closed next year.

    A lot. The GC was a good console, the problem was that it shared the market with the PS2. So, less support, less multiplats, less games per genre. It was still worth owning, even if you weren't into Nintendo games.
  14. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Apr 3, 2003
    Yes they have. A very steady increase from 2006-2011 as many others went into decline. Aren't they doing so well now? No. But uh, I don't know if you noticed, but almost no one is. Sega's biggest problem is they suck at PR. Binary Domain was better than ME3, yet only a fraction of the sales.

    The videogame industry is in a crisis, period. Sega isn't doing as badly as others. I am not immediately buying those Gamekyo rumors.
  15. plaidchuck

    plaidchuck It Wandered In From the Wastes

    May 4, 2012
    Wow how many years later and we still have nintendo vs. sega arguments? :) I honestly liked both systems (NES/SNES and Genesis) but it seemed like Nintendo had the best "franchise" games (mario, zelda, final fantasy/squaresoft) while Sega had just too many forgettable and generic fighting and shooter games.

    They certainly were ahead of their time with the Sega CD and Dreamcast/saturn but it seems they could never answer the question of "where do we go from here" after the Genesis.

    Meanwhile Nintendo has just shot itself in the foot too many times. They let blockbusters like Metal Gear Solid and FFVII go and although the 64 had some good games in my opinion, Sony simply blew them away. I have no clue what the point of the Gamecube was, guess they felt they had to have a console that used CDs to fit in.

    Finally, there's the Wii. When it came out it was fun and they definitely deserve points for being able to hit "non-standard" demographics like older people and casual gamers/families, but the novelty is wearing off. And I feel that people who may be casual gamers may still just go for the ps3/360 since both consoles offer other entertainment features than just games. In short, ever since the Playstation and other consoles came out it seems Nintendo doesnt know anything else but constantly regurgitate the Zelda and Mario franchises.
  16. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
  17. Surf Solar

    Surf Solar So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2009
    This looks indeed pretty nice. If they would add a pixel shader for 2d fags like me, I would mayb even buy that game if I would own that console. :D
  18. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Gollum Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    That is the main problem for me. I don't want to buy the Wii U, but some of the games look pretty cool.
  19. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    The new Paper Mario is also looking pretty good, and it's on 3DS.
  20. The_Noob

    The_Noob It Wandered In From the Wastes

    May 28, 2012
    Finally, something other than Street Fighter and 3D Netflix.