Is it possible?Economic collapse and War's brewing?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TorontoReign, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    The MB aren't that bad. They are analogous to the right wing parties here in the US or in Mexico.


    The Salafists on the other hand....
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    who says america has to be around all the time ?

    Hence why it is an better idea to get in peacefull terms with your neighbours.
     
  3. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    But my point is that the actions of the US (and Israel to a lesser extent, I can't really fault them for existing after all) have caused the crisis. Things were settling down, and then they decide to just trample in during the Gulf War and turn the tensions into a gigantic mess. It's easy to say ''make the best of a bad situation'' when you strongly participated in creating the situation in the first place.

    And while it's true that peace is far away unless one side is defeated, that's still no reason to maintain a hostile attitude at all times. Or still back up governments like the military in Egypt. The West is digging itself in a very deep hole in the Middle East. And yet it cannot leave because of Israel and goddamn oil. The whole thing is just a disaster waiting to happen again. There's nothing cool or glorious about it.
     
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I wish it would be all just like in don't mess with Zohan.

    Maybe youre simply not european enough. And I mean this without any offense.

    Becaues if you would be European I would tell you to ask your great grandfather about his opinion regarding the Germans (if he was French for example). France was for a long time the "archenemy" of Germany. And vise verca. And today ? They are both one of the leading nations inside of the European Comonwealth.

    People have only to remember that they actually pray to the same god.
     
  5. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Carbon Dated and Proud

    Feb 23, 2006
    So everybody agrees? The U.S. should invade mexico and take over it's oil fields.
     
  6. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Sep 14, 2009
    You have my approval...and since this is a Fallout website, even the Vaultboy approves, let the invasion begin.


     
  7. Nology5890

    Nology5890 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 22, 2006
    Let's do it. A couple airstrikes later, the druglords will be crying "Freedom!".
     
  8. Starseeker

    Starseeker Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 25, 2003
    Sure, any time, I am just glad someone bothers to read it. Since Welsh doesn't hang out as much anymore, we don't really have any half decent discussions about China any more. A lot of people and "pundits" these days spouts nonsensical comments and opinions about China all the time. I might've believed them too if I had never lived there. Some of the CCP arsekissers are getting harder and harder to watch these days. Oh well. Ignorance makes the heart grow founder, I guess.

    Anyway, can someone split this thread already, it feels like more than half of the discussion isn't even related to the topic at hand. :|
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    how can you guys be so sure that the US of A has not been already anexed by the brown people ?
     
  10. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Dedman oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I do think this thread was slightly derailed, and Crni Vuk I have no fucking idea what you are talking about with the brown people remark....maybe I missed something.
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    look around you. There are more Mexicans, Chinese, Arabians etc. in the US of A then Americans.

    Your land is Conquered. Owned and divided already. And you didn't even realized it !

    it was just a stupid joke as reply to another stupid joke (annexing mexico) because well the US is one of the nations with the highest counts of immigrants if I remember correctly.
     
  12. mobucks

    mobucks As a goof Orderite

    May 22, 2010
    Thats okay, in a generation or two they will be fat and dumb or aspire to be celebritys like real americans. The system works.
     
  13. paladin_lord

    paladin_lord It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 12, 2011
    I think one of the few strong enough things that could start a war might be the constant need for more resources such as oil for example...

    ... capitalism (as we see today) is simple not sustainable, even with the late projects to create natural energy production or a policy to reduce pollution all the damage caused this far might not be repairable . All those projects are usually palliative when it comes from governments because they are not profitable for the great companies, of course might be a few exception to that but they are an isolated minority (such as some non governmental organizations)
    and the impact they can cause i consider minimal...

    perhaps the problem might not even be the capitalism, but the greed of man that corrupts it, this greed and hunger for more and more ... scientists already discovered that the oil sources will end in about a century, that discover is decades old ... a lot, i really mean a LOT ... of occidental society depends on the energy production that comes from oil that brings riches and wealth to many great companies, small companies and even ourselves while driving a car, a motorcycle, alternative energy production is not on the level to supply all the need that will come from the end of the oil sources ... and that might be too late to begin large scale production of that new energy ... guess what, we might not even have resources for that. that would lead to an economic crisis much worse than the one we are see now ... there is also the problem of ...

    Water ... the pollution caused by our factories, our cars ... etc ... exploration of new grounds, modifying the natural course of rivers to build hydroelectric power-plants, that is slowly but constantly disrupting the original course of nature, i read in a scientific magazine ("super-interesting") that nowadays we are consuming much more than nature can supply, if we don't hit the break (real hard, not the light baby kick we have being doing this far) water supplies will run dry, and the countries that can't supply its own people will buy it from others (perhaps at exorbitant prices) or invade neighborhood boarders to secure these resources ... add that to the oil problem and we are all screwed ... don't matter if you are from U.S.A , China, Canada, South America or Europe ... all screwed as here comes world war three ... guess what, nuclear bombs ... actually when i think about nuke warheads i think about this guy ...


     
  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Water.

    While Oil might be a very important resource our economy can be changed (over time) in ways where Oil becomes less and less important. They already start to do it now. With cars which work on hydrogen for example. I think at leats in the next 50 years we will see here many changes.

    But drinkable water might become a serious issue for many places. Not just in third world nations.
     
  15. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    This one comes to mind as well:

     
  16. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    But isn't it really easy to purify water? Just set up some project purity style plant in every city and you are home free
     
  17. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    I think he's talking about the fact the world's population is growing, and due to the use of technology we waste a lot of water. Putting a water purifier won't solve anything if there isn't enough freshwater.
     
  18. Mr. Black

    Mr. Black First time out of the vault

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    Nov 13, 2011
    Then why don't we melt the polar ice caps? I hear we will get a lot of water that way.
     
  19. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Read a book, or a newspaper.....
     
  20. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    How we would transport the water? We're not talking about small amounts. To balance the water deficits in the western world or even just the UK, we would need billions of litres of water. How can we move that?