It's again that time of the year ... or Muslim bashing!

[Crni Vuk]

So... you've seen a real group of them right?

No of course he hasn't. They aren't Aryan enough that an Iluminati Confirmed would hang around with them.

Crni:
Yep, I get the picture. What I see in your post is basically a lot of good intentions without any rational background or sustainable plan. In a few words - you're proposing to tear down the outside borders of Schengen area and let everyone in.

What? Cool. So either you havn't read anything of it or you don't understand what I am trying to say. With no word have I said, let everyone in and don't care who we let in!

All I am saying is, treat people individually. We have to decide from case to case. If you think that it is fair to see 10 000 people as potential terrorists because of a handfull of REAL ones, then I am sorry but you already made up your mind. I could probably do the same with Slovakia. We have lazy idiot Slovakians here who are criminals and just want to exploit the German wellfare state. Maybe we should have a referendum to throw Slovakia out of the EU and never have anything to do with them and send ALL of the Slovakians that are in Germany back! I mean you're all lazy bums right? There are a few good ones, I suppose but when Slovakia sends their people here, they are not sending their best ones. And on top of it they are corrupt criminals too! See how that goes? Stereotypes are fun!

Yes, a lot of it ARE good intentions I even agree with that. I am naive when it comes to those things. And I am glad about it. I am sorry that I grew up with a lot of Muslims that some of them have been my best friends, that I worked with so many different people, from Uganda to Iran and Iraq. And that I treat people yeah well, as people and not as culture or like all would be the same, people don't work like the Borg collective usually you know.

But I think what I propose is not impossible to achieve. It's not some technical difficulty. It's simply the elephant in the room that no one is adressing. It's interestesting how most popular scientist are more worried about global warming and the way exploit the resources instead of this migration.

And I have yet to see one of those populist parties to adress the issue that we are happy to sell weapons to nations that finance our enemies and then we are surprised when they blow them self up in London. Yeah well there is a conection here. But try to explain that to the ultra nationlist Ukip member who's only crying Leave EU Leave EU! And Britain uber alles.

 

[olestra]

No of course he hasn't. They aren't Aryan enough that an Iluminati Confirmed would hang around with them.

If only we funded the arts, then it would be the Iraqi black metal scene that wouldn't hang around with him.

 

[valcik]

All I am saying is, treat people individually. We have to decide from case to case.

And how are we supposed to do this without borders? You either let everyone in, or keep them at bay until they'll undergo security screenings, I don't see any other way around this.

.. but when Slovakia sends their people here

What? We don't send anyone to Germany, that's bollocks. Actually it's German representatives who goes here to agitate at our universities and lure our educated population to Germany by promises of lucrative work in German hospitals or schools, including all the non-standard financial benefits and housing. As for the gastarbeiters and gypsies, they're going on their own, lured by high wages or good criminal/beggar opportunities.

You know what's funny? We've experienced influx of our intellectual workers going back home from Germany. I had read very interesting interviews, where Czech doctor described the situation in German hospitals as "dangerous" - huge loads of uneducated moslem migrants from Africa or the middle east going full berserker, spilling their urine samples all over the women in medical staff, endangering them by knives or verbal death threats, calling them whores and future slaves of Islam. The reason? Rampaging savages have been told that they have syphilis or HIV diagnosed and have to stay in hospital. Hassknecht was right, a lot of educated folks have left Germany recently, both Germans and foreigners.

 

[Buxbaum666]

You know what's funny? We've experienced influx of our intellectual workers going back home from Germany. I had read very interesting interviews, where Czech doctor described the situation in German hospitals as "dangerous" - huge loads of uneducated moslem migrants from Africa or the middle east going full berserker, spilling their urine samples all over the women in medical staff, endangering them by knives or verbal death threats, calling them whores and future slaves of Islam. The reason? Rampaging savages have been told that they have syphilis or HIV diagnosed and have to stay in hospital. Hassknecht was right, a lot of educated folks have left Germany recently, both Germans and foreigners.

The anecdotes are strong with this one. It seems you do believe any old bullshit that passes the confirmation bias filter.

Edit: Found what you were referring to. Also found Snopes ripping it to shreds.

 

[valcik]

How many hospitals dealing with immigration related examinations/vaccinations you've worked for in 2014-2016, Buxbaum666? Care to elaborate? And, most importantly, why shall I trust you more than my own family member who've studied at LFUK here in Slovakia and provided me first-hand insight? Anyway, I don't care about your "anecdote" insults, since for me you are just average German living in his personal safe space and surrounded by informational bubble.

edit: LOL
Going through that "ripped to shreds" article, what a pile of nonsense pandering to gullible citizens! I thought better of you, check out this for example:

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them.

Debunked:

AIDS, syphilis, and tuberculosis are hardly diseases modern doctors would consider "exotic," and it beggars belief that anyone (particularly a "physician")

As I can see it, she wrote that there are many cases of AIDS, syphilis, or open TB. Plus some exotic diseases on top of it. Debunker proved his own stupidity by this article, nothing else.

 

[Buxbaum666]

How many hospitals dealing with immigration related examinations/vaccinations you've worked for in 2014-2016, Buxbaum666?

I don't work in a hospital so any unsubstantiated fear-mongering rumour about "Rampaging savages" must be true? Some logic.

And, most importantly, why shall I trust you more than my own family member who've studied at LFUK here in Slovakia and provided me first-hand insight?

So now a family member told you? I thought you "read very interesting interviews"? Keep your story straight, man.

Anyway, I don't care about your "anecdote" insults, since for me you are just average German living in his personal safe space and surrounded by informational bubble.

Yeah, I know. The Media™ is part of a huge conspiracy to hide the truth about hordes of rampaging savages pissing all over our hospitals. That's all they do, you know - just drive around listening to raps and shooting all the jobs.
Thank god for these plucky right-wing bloggers They can't seem to take down.

 

[valcik]

I don't work in a hospital so any unsubstantiated fear-mongering rumour about "Rampaging savages" must be true? Some logic.

Nah, you working in hospital would have made your arguments much more relevant for me, nothing else.

So now a family member told you? I thought you "read very interesting interviews"? Keep your story straight, man.

My family members told me about German representatives agitating on our universities, you're mixing it up and losing grip.

Yeah, I know. The Media™ is part of a huge conspiracy to hide the truth about hordes of rampaging savages pissing all over our hospitals.

So you can't see the logical inconsistency in your "ripping to shred" article at all? Are you aware that you proved my point by this actually?

 

[Buxbaum666]

My family members told me about German representatives agitating on our universities, you're mixing it up and losing grip.

Although I find that hard to believe, too, I wasn't talking about that anywhere. I was directly adressing the "A Czech doctor said..." bullshit.

So you can't see the logical inconsistency in your "ripping to shred" article at all? Are you aware that you proved my point by this actually?

I can see the logical inconsistencies in the alleged letter. Let's see. The "Exotic diseases we can't treat in Europe" thing is bullshit whatsoever. Tourists bring back all kinds of diseases, all the time, and we can treat them.

Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

That doesn't make any sense at all. There's no difference between "Clinics" and "Hospitals" in Germany. It's a different word for the same thing. That last sentence is literally saying "Hospitals cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals".

Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Utter nonsense, dogs aren't allowed in hospitals, unless it's to detect a bomb or something.

So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

Again with the imaginary "clinics and hospitals" distinction. Also hospitals are public buildings that anyone can enter freely. If the police were guarding them, people would know.
Pharmacies are businesses. If a business needs/wants protection, they have to hire private security. The police is not private security. Also, again: people would know.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day — this is just a question of time.

Seriously, what kind of doctor is this supposed to be? Complaining about people bringing diseases to the hospital, seriously? Treating diseases is exactly what hospitals and doctors are for.

Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection?

You'd think a doctor would know how syphillis is transmitted.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million.

It isn't.

 

[valcik]

I had read this interview in Czech article, with the redactor asking question and she addressing it. This "debunked" article is debunking from translated e-mail someone send to young lady Kim LaCapria writing for snopes. So, she's not debunking the original article in the first place, just poorly and perhaps intentionaly messed up inaccurate translation, whilst doing a lot of logical lapses on her own in the process. Sorry, this is simply not relevant to me.

 

[Buxbaum666]

Please correct the passages that were incorrectly translated, then. Here's a reading of the letter in Czech with English subtitles.

Otherwise I'm the one who's gonna say "sorry, this is simply not relevant to me."

 

[valcik]

Okay, translation seems to be pretty correct. Also, I concur, this old lady clearly talks about many thing she obviously don't understand, such as syphilis transmission. (I do believe that there should have been HIV mentioned along with it.)
Anyway:

There's no difference between "Clinics" and "Hospitals" in Germany.

You don't have small hospitals without labs and advanced diagnostic centres, and bigger clinics with larger capacities, often interconnect with universities, providing full blown services? That's how it works here in Slovakia and also in Czech, so I do believe this part was lost/messed up in translation. I see this one as a lexical problem, not informational.

Seriously, what kind of doctor is this supposed to be? Complaining about people bringing diseases to the hospital, seriously?

According to the Czech redactor, she's retired anesthesiologist. Also, she's complaining about irresponsible behavior of these people, not about them bringing diseases.

Tourists bring back all kinds of diseases, all the time, and we can treat them.

Really? I thought nobody can treat MERS coronavirus for instance and unless I'm completely wrong, there was one cause reported from Germany when old German tourist infected in Saudi Arabia (or where) died in German hospital due to this.

 

[Crni Vuk]

What? We don't send anyone to Germany, that's bollocks.

I see. You didn't understood what I was aiming at ...

I have no fucking clue why your people come here or even if they do, some sure come to Germany which is alright. I don't have a problem with it. But that isn't point. The point is that the moment Islam, Immigrants and Refugees are not a big thing in Germany anymore, it will be back to bashing the East European Untermenschen with racist arguments. The Slovakians, Poles, Ukrainians and Russians stealing our jobs and sending their criminals to the EU. And all that populist bullshit that was thrown around during the early 1990s or when Slovakia and Poland joined the EU.

And? It turns out most of it was just anecdotal, if even anything of the stereotype-bulllshit our right wing idiots have thrown around was even close to the truth. My point is, that you can generalize EVERY group and EVERY nationality and reduce EVERY Culture ONLY to the negative points they have. But that's not how people or a constitutional democracy work. Not here in Germany at least. Yes, there are refugees that, steal, puke at the police, throwing around insults, that commit crimes maybe even rapists. Some of them, are shitty people. No one ever denied that! But, I am not ready to treat and blame thousands if not MILLIONS(!) of people based on the actions of a few. For the same reason as why I will NEVER EVER treat ALL Slovakians like shit, because of what our idiot racists think and say about East Europeans. And I am pretty sure not everything in Slovakian culture is about super duper awesomeness.

Banska Bystrica Governor Kotleba's LSNS party protesting against gays in 2011 (c) The Daily.SK
No Freedom Till We’re Equal, Slovakia’s Referendum | The Daily Slovakia http://www.thedaily.sk/no-freedom-till-were-equal-slovakias-referendum/#ixzz4FcXYQhKC

I guess we can see here Slovakian tradition in action.

And how are we supposed to do this without borders? You either let everyone in, or keep them at bay until they'll undergo security screenings, I don't see any other way around this.

Where? Where have I said that we should get rid of ALL borders and ANY kind of border control? But you do realize how fucking large the EU is, right? You're willing of giving up Mare Nostrum ... which SAVED LIVES, but you propose a strong border around a fucking continent? It's kinda strange, so many are screaming for more controll, more borders, fences, guards ... and how it would be a viable solution. But when it comes to actually implementing it. No one wants to pay for it, sending material or personal. Except. For Germany who is sending a few (useless) vehicles like broken helicopters. But look at Frontex and their demands which are never meet. Looks like the populists and right wing parties that rule in some nations can scream and scream at the EU, but when it comes to actually doing something, no one wants to spend even a dime. But Germany (and somewhat France) and Merkel are of course the asshole for taking care of refugees that Italy and Grece could simply not manage on their own anymore.

By the way, where have your politicans been when Bush decided to Invade Iraq which left us with this mess in Syria? Or where have your politicans been when the UK made a billion dollar weapon deal with the same Arabian states who also also financed Daesh? Or is it only alright to be a part of the reason for refugees but not taking responsibility for it?

You know, sometimes I like to imagine that Europe should send ALL of the Syran refugees streight to the UK with the message, you created this Mess with Bush, now deal with it. But that's neither fair (for the refugees) nor realistic. And would just cause a lot of mayhem. But it's nice to imagine it at least ...

You don't have small hospitals without labs and advanced diagnostic centres, and bigger clinics with larger capacities, often interconnect with universities, providing full blown services? That's how it works here in Slovakia and also in Czech, so I do believe this part was lost/messed up in translation. I see this one as a lexical problem, not informational.

Germany has a very good network of doctors and medical offices, probably most of the issues people have are treated directly there. Even the more complex stuff. Where only surgeries and complicated treatements which requires more then just a day are performed in hospitals, you know cancer, complicated surgeries etc. As Buxie said, we usually don't make the distinction. Almost all large medical fascilities where people see some form of treatment are called hospitals. The terms Clinic and Hospital are used very often synonymous. The best difference, in Germany, might be that Clinics eventually do either a lot of research, are affiliated with some large University or have eventually a specialization in a certain area like treating cancer and rare diseases I mean there are like just a handfull of places in Germany where you can effectivelly treat tropical diseases. One thing that is often used with Clinics, is the Beauty clinic, or die Schönheitsklinik in German. Becuse no one with a brain tumor or a stab wound is send there for treatment. For obvious reasons.

 

[Buxbaum666]

Okay, translation seems to be pretty correct. Also, I concur, this old lady clearly talks about many thing she obviously don't understand, such as syphilis transmission. (I do believe that there should have been HIV mentioned along with it.)

She probably doesn't understand things because she's a fictional character used for anti-refugee propaganda, written by someone who doesn't understand things, either.

You don't have small hospitals without labs and advanced diagnostic centres, and bigger clinics with larger capacities, often interconnect with universities, providing full blown services? That's how it works here in Slovakia and also in Czech, so I do believe this part was lost/messed up in translation. I see this one as a lexical problem, not informational.

We have hospitals of various sizes and specializations. I wouldn't know any way for the statement to make sense.

Really? I thought nobody can treat MERS coronavirus for instance and unless I'm completely wrong, there was one cause reported from Germany when old German tourist infected in Saudi Arabia (or where) died in German hospital due to this.

Yes, one patient died of MERS in Germany, in 2013. No refugee has been hospitalized with that so far, probably because most cases happen in Saudi Arabia. I don't know of any exotic illnesses that are rampant in the countries most refugees are coming from. The same is true for HIV or Syphillis.

Let's face the facts, there are no masses of muslims rampaging in German hospitals. It's a fabrication.

 

[valcik]

Although I find that hard to believe, too ..

This is related to German representatives seeking for foreign employees. I kid you not!
This is blog from random Slovak radiology specialist working in Sachsen for some 4 years, he mentioned this recruitment too. Since I've seen printed leaflet provided to our students by German representatives with my very own eyes, the least what I can suggest to you is to e-mail this guy (address provided in blog) and ask him. Or ask any central/east European doctor you'll ran across in Germany about it. Or not, whatever, I don't really care and I certainly don't blame you for not trusting me blindly on the interwebz. Just trying to burst the informational bubble.
http://valasek.blog.sme.sk/c/413493/zahranicni-lekari-v-nemecku.html
Another interesting story:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-seeks-foreign-cure-for-its-doctor-shortage-1437434991

Let's face the facts, there are no masses of muslims rampaging in German hospitals. It's a fabrication

Oh I'm sure things settled down after we've signed the deal with Turkey and reduced the influx of immigrants to Germany by oh-so-racist measures taken by Austria or Hungary. It's only a matter of time until the shit will hit the fan again.

I have no fucking clue why your people come here or even if they do, some sure come to Germany which is alright.

Of course you don't have fucking clue and I'm pretty sure it's alright. Since there's more than 30.000 foreign physician working in Germany right now, disintegration of EU resulting in cancelled treaties about free movement of labour force would be serious kick in the balls for any huge Western country, since you can't replace tens of thousands specialists easily.

Banska Bystrica Governor Kotleba's LSNS party protesting against gays in 2011 (c) The Daily.SK
No Freedom Till We’re Equal, Slovakia’s Referendum | The Daily Slovakia http://www.thedaily.sk/no-freedom-till-were-equal-slovakias-referendum/#ixzz4FcXYQhKC

I guess we can see here Slovakian tradition in action.

This is our only far right wing party, formed recently, and supported by less than 200.000 wackos. Every other parties openly dissociate themselves from it, they have zero government support in the coalition and much lesser public support than German AfD. Anyway, you're still messing up politics with culture and traditions, I see. Suit yourself! (Just for the record, I vote many years for SaS, not LSNS.)

Also, we're proudly marching towards prophecy from Fallout intro as it seems!
the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states

 

[Crni Vuk]

That's 200 000 wackos that I could in theory use to describe the Slovakian people. But I don't. And you know why? because I don't generalize nations and people based on what I read on blogs, in news papers or some anecdotal experiences. I have meet to many different people and cultures in my youth. And thus I can not say much about the average Slovakian person, unless I actually had the pleasure to see and talk with some in real life. Just as how I don't know the average refugee, Syrian or Muslim. Or well, the average Muslim I do know, here in Germany beacuse I have grown up with many of them. But even then, I can not talk for ALL of the Muslims because they are like, billions of people.

 

[valcik]

I don't generalize either, or did you see me calling any German to be raycist Hitlor supporter because there's AfD in Germany?

 

[Crni Vuk]

But you have no problem with taking examples of refugees who commit crimes to generalize 100 000 of people.
Anyway, you still don't understand what my point is ... or you don't want to get in to it, because you would have to admit, that one has to differentiate. And that cultures, nations and people are a we bit more complex then just what we can read in news papers or on the net. I am sure that if we would be talking about Slovakia, some German right wing nutjob could find some case of a Slovakian doctor or nurse who killed old people in some German hospital to create a sense of fear and "See! That is the kind of peole we allow to work here!" mentality. But I think, the real problem here, and that I finally realize, is that you lack any kind of empathy. Only, to those things that you allow to enter your little bubble.

 

[valcik]

Quote me about that 100000 blamed for crime committed by one, it's a straw man otherwise.

but you propose a strong border around a fucking continent? It's kinda strange, so many are screaming for more controll, more borders, fences, guards ... and how it would be a viable solution. But when it comes to actually implementing it. No one wants to pay for it, sending material or personal. Except. For Germany who is sending a few (useless) vehicles like broken helicopters.

Why should we strengthen our northern border, where nobody's crossing at all? There are just certain parts endangered by illegal migrants. Such as recently closed Balkanian route; Greek/Macedonian border, or Serbian/Hungarian one.

Also, you are not aware of military and economical cooperation inside V4, are you? Aside from our battlegroup formed long ago, we've send humanitarian aid and officers to Greece when the situation was worst, and our officers are cooperating with Hungarians for quite a some time, i.e. there are members of Slovak police relocated to Hungary, protecting the eastern border of Schengen area according to treaties signed after joining the EU. You should really reconsider your blind leftist extremism and stop blaming.

 

[Illuminati Confirmed!]

So... you've seen a real group of them right?

Yes.

And your point was...?

Of course he has. Illuminati Confirmed! would never dare to talk about things he doesn't have any actual experiences with. Naturally he has expertise and experience in everything.

And Hassknecht would never dare to utter an actual argument. Some things are simply too much for "scientists".

Utter nonsense, dogs aren't allowed in hospitals, unless it's to detect a bomb or something.

You do understand that there's more involved in the procedure of going to a hospital than actually moving about its premises...?

 

[Crni Vuk]

Quote me about that 100000 blamed for crime committed by one, it's a straw man otherwise.

Then why do you demand such a strong border controll again?