JE Sawyer Formsprings #9

[Eternal]

The second issue is the state of the game. That is the point of the review and the reviewer's comments seem as fair as anyone else's.

"I don't agree with your opinions, but I will fight to the death for your right to say them."

I think its pretty damn exemplary for them to say that the review of the game itself seemed fair. And while I'm enjoying NV myself, and disagree whole heartedly with RPS's review of the game, I think its nice to see some critical reviews of titles too often AAA titles are given a slide in the critical review department based entirely on the PR / size of the game (Lookin at you Fallout 3, with your numerous bugs and stupid AI problems everyone chose to ignore until NV was released.)

So regardless of my disagreement with RPS' assessment of the title, I think that perhaps journalism CAN be saved from simple 'go along with what everyone else is saying' mentality.

However RPS' direct attack on Obsidian was uncalled for, unprofessional, and downright mean.

 

[PegasusOrgans]

It wouldn't be the worst faction in Fallout history, if:

They would stop using melee in every god damn situation. I know, I know, they are faster with their light armor 'n stuff, but seriously. Attacking Hoover Dam with machete and laser swords? No wonder they lost the first attack.

Really? My experience(near novac) has been them decimating everyone they see.

 

[PegasusOrgans]

You see, you can't combat the ignorance of someone, whom I agree is a "fanboy", but is entitled to his opinion, with more ignorance.

I agree, but you should call them out on being ignorant. There's ways to do it properly. Still, I can't help feeling it was a way to drum up hits.

 

[PegasusOrgans]

The second issue is the state of the game. That is the point of the review and the reviewer's comments seem as fair as anyone else's.

"I don't agree with your opinions, but I will fight to the death for your right to say them."

I think its pretty damn exemplary for them to say that the review of the game itself seemed fair. And while I'm enjoying NV myself, and disagree whole heartedly with RPS's review of the game, I think its nice to see some critical reviews of titles too often AAA titles are given a slide in the critical review department based entirely on the PR / size of the game (Lookin at you Fallout 3, with your numerous bugs and stupid AI problems everyone chose to ignore until NV was released.)

So regardless of my disagreement with RPS' assessment of the title, I think that perhaps journalism CAN be saved from simple 'go along with what everyone else is saying' mentality.

However RPS' direct attack on Obsidian was uncalled for, unprofessional, and downright mean.

Honestly, if there were valid points expressed in a calm, deliberate manner the "shitstorm" would be alot smaller. Every game should get a contrarian review if not several. Fear does rampant amongst journos these days.

 

[frosty_theaussie]

No offense, because I REALLY like your games, but it's painfully clear at this point that you don't have the manpower and expertise to work on AAA projects.

Well, that's kinda harsh, isn't it? When a sentence starts with "no offense, but..." you know it's going to be offensive. It's like a spoiler tag for conversation.

"Please exempt me from being responsible for the repercussions of the following statement".

Sawyer's responses were pretty cool about it though.

[spoiler:37021e1c41]

If I am not mistaken only the Legion correctly pronounce Caesar as Kai-sar while the rest of the wastelanders pronounce it the common way.

I dunno if this IS actually a spoiler, but I've noted some inconsistencies. Marcus says says Kai-sar and the Legion agent at the Khan camp says See-Sar[/spoiler:37021e1c41]

 

[Per]

Actually, that's wini, widi, wiki.

Actually, that's wini, widi, Ausir('s face).

 

[gumbarrel]

It wouldn't be the worst faction in Fallout history, if:

They would stop using melee in every god damn situation. I know, I know, they are faster with their light armor 'n stuff, but seriously. Attacking Hoover Dam with machete and laser swords? No wonder they lost the first attack.

Haven't gotten to the dam yet, but most of them use rifles when I fight them.

And I think it would make sense that one faction would favor melee, since you can actually specialize in melee yourself and actually kick ass with it

If I can kill Nightkin with punches, why can't they?

 

[mobucks]

I canot believe what i am reading. (the news item)

the reviewers of this game can eat shit. i smell conspiracy. Todd fucknut Howard paid reviewers to give NV a low score and say things like "fallout 3's story was better" so he can say "they" do fallout better than Obsidian.

THEY DONT. TUUUURRRRUUUUSSSST ME.


RFS

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Yeah, I have also been reading about how some journalists and fans prefer the storyline of Fallout 3 over Fallout New Vegas, despite the fact that the story was pretty straight forward yet plotted out horribly and was in most parts a copy of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.

Fallout New Vegas' storyline in that respect is perhaps more subtle and doesn't try to pretend to be epic, at least not from the start.
You are not a 'Chosen One' of any kind but a regular guy who wants to find out why they hell he was shot in the head for, finding out what was so important about an item he was carrying for which he met mentioned fate, and perhaps get some payback on the bastard that yielded the gun.

A lot of factions in FNV make sense while in FO3 most seemed to just exist and hang around for no apparent reason.

 

[Innawerkz]

Haven't gotten to the dam yet, but most of them use rifles when I fight them.

And I think it would make sense that one faction would favor melee, since you can actually specialise in melee yourself and actually kicks ass with it

If I can kill Nightkin with punches, why can't they?

Too much logic. Won't fly.

 

[gumbarrel]

I canot believe what i am reading. (the news item)

the reviewers of this game can eat shit. i smell conspiracy. Todd fucknut Howard paid reviewers to give NV a low score and say things like "fallout 3's story was better" so he can say "they" do fallout better than Obsidian.

THEY DONT. TUUUURRRRUUUUSSSST ME.


RFS

Was this a parody of our users?

 

[warsaw]

It wouldn't be the worst faction in Fallout history, if:

They would stop using melee in every god damn situation. I know, I know, they are faster with their light armor 'n stuff, but seriously. Attacking Hoover Dam with machete and laser swords? No wonder they lost the first attack.

Haven't gotten to the dam yet, but most of them use rifles when I fight them.

Yeah, I was just attacked by Legion Assassins carrying guns I haven't seen elsewhere. Not to mention they were the toughest group of angry wastelanders I've fought, yet.

 

[mobucks]

Was this a parody of our users?

Not at all, Its my true feelings, being a fanboy of the original games. Is that why i like NV so much more than F3? Somewhat.

The part that really pissed me off was the comment about players not caring about writing. Thats just bullshit. The people who dont care about writing are the masses of COD players that inundate the market. So because of the success of games like COD, apparently gamers don't care about writing.

If fallout 3 and NV were more in the style of a classic RPG and not turned into an FPS, that little comment would never have been part of that interview.

 

[NiRv4n4]

Was this a parody of our users?

Not at all, Its my true feelings, being a fanboy of the original games. Is that why i like NV so much more than F3? Somewhat.

The part that really pissed me off was the comment about players not caring about writing. Thats just bullshit. The people who dont care about writing are the masses of COD players that inundate the market. So because of the success of games like COD, apparently gamers don't care about writing.

If fallout 3 and NV were more in the style of a classic RPG and not turned into an FPS, that little comment would never have been part of that interview.

Hey, most people play a game because they think that it is fun. Writing may or may not contribute to the perceived funness of a game. Personally, it isn't at the top of my list. I prefer balanced combat and interesting scenarios, as others may prefer making big booms.

 

[gumbarrel]

The people who dont care about writing are the masses of COD players that inundate the market.

And the people who play Mario.

And the people who play Zelda.

And the people who play sports games.

And the people who play racing games.

And the people who play the Civ games or those strategy games that are just graphs and pictures.

And the people who play MMOs.

And the people who play handhelds.

I hope you get the point.

 

[mobucks]

By catering to the highest common denominator, FPS players on the xbox360, we are left with a sub-par shooter with bland FPSing and so-so RPG elements. That so, the writing better be good. And it is.

What then, if people really expect that most gamers dont care about writing, will the next fallout game have? Bland writing? It would be like going back to fallout 3.

I can see myself exploring a lot more of New Vegas' world to find and meet interesting characters. Whereas with Fallout 3, i did the main quest and left roughly 50% of the game world unexplored.

Really, its just a case of bitter old man syndrome for me. The fact people assume most players dont care about writing makes me kind of irate, even more so because it is probably true. And that's just sad. Because, you will always have games that go boom, so guys who want that will never be in danger of not having a good game to play. Meanwhile, there are some old schoolers, NMAers, that have seen their favourite gernre of games become shooters for kids. Look at the next XCOM, thats all im sayn.

 

[warsaw]

Look at the next XCOM, thats all im sayn.

Pretty damn sure no one is lookin' forward to that junk.

Might I point you towards the promised land?
http://www.xenonauts.com/index.php

 

[Beelzebud]

That first question is amazingly rude...

I really don't see how anyone can call NV more buggy than Fallout 3. The biggest issue I had was performance but that .dll that is floating around the community eliminated those problems.

I also have a one word reply for those saying the legion is the worst faction in Fallout ever: Hubologists.

 

[frosty_theaussie]

By catering to the highest common denominator, FPS players on the xbox360, we are left with a sub-par shooter with bland FPSing and so-so RPG elements. That so, the writing better be good. And it is.

Wouldn't that be the "lowest common denominator"? Granted, I haven't done any Math subject for, oh, five years now...

Look at the next XCOM, thats all im sayn.

Pretty damn sure no one is lookin' forward to that junk.

I hope so, maybe if it flops 2K will pawn off the franchise. Here's hoping it doesn't go to the UFO guys, though.

 

[mobucks]

Ya know what? thats a good question. Can you even have a highest common denominator? Ugh math makes my brain fart.

What i really should have wrote was "catering to the largest market segment" or something like that.