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TwinkieGorilla said:
i know last year Mason Crosby was at one point leading scorer in the NFC after T.O. is...there less pointage attributed to field goal points or sum'sin?
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Not really, it's more that there are more ways for other positions to own points than there are for kickers. A kicker only kicks, a WR gets points per reception, per so many yards and per touchdown.

But when I say they're hardly important I don't mean they necessarily score less, kickers tend to be in the 110-130 points range which is about mid-tier WRs, I mean it is rarely worth it to go for a good kicker. Two reasons for this:

1. Kickers are unreliable. They'll vary from 3-12 points from week to week, and there's no real way to predict how well a kicker will do for a single game or even over the season. If you got one of the top-tier ones, which is Gostowski or Vinatieri or Folk or Kaeding, that might make a difference, but for the most part it's like this for every kicker.

2. Kickers don't diversify enough in point spread. Last season there were two exceptions to this rule, Crosby and Bironas. Bironas was basically a one-game deal, tho'. Anyway, last year those two got 160 and 150 points, relatively, the #3 kicker (Josh Brown) had 140 points, the #25 (Rian Lindell) had 106.
The drop-off from #1, #2, #3 and #25 for RBs went like this: 250, 220, 190, 100.
The drop-off from #1, #2, #3 and #25 for WRs went like this: 260, 195, 185, 105.

Now look at the difference in points.

Last year, if I had the #10 kicker instead of the #1, I would've had 30 points less over 16 games. #10 WR instead of #1? 100 points less. #10 RB instead of #1? 105 points less.

That's exactly why the draft order goes RB-WR-QB-TE-K. The difference between a mid-tier RB and a top RB can make or break your team. Mid-tier K or top K? Who gives a shit. You just won't lose that many points by not owning a top-tier K, which is why I didn't draft one.
 
Brother None said:
Uh...why?

Your kicker is fine, and fantasy kickers are hardly important.
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I wouldn't say that. Games can be extremely close. Last year I lost a game and won a game by one point.

Kickers are not THAT important - but they are important. If you grab a kicker that is on a good offense - you should be OK.
That being said, Cimmerian - watching MANY Cardinals games, you probably don't want Neil Rackers :)

I happen to to have 2 pretty good kickers. I also have pretty good defenders (IMO - don't know if your interested). I'm interested in Stallworth (or if you would consider trading Johnson or Harrison). I also have WR backups (not that great but if you traded away a WR you'd probably want at least another backup) as well as 2 backup RB starters (I believe your only backup is a 2nd stringer)
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]I wouldn't say that. Games can be extremely close. Last year I lost a game and won a game by one point.
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Sure. That's not the issue either. The issue that there's no way, no way that you can rely on a kicker for that extra point. Kickers are unreliable.

[PCE said:
el_Prez]Kickers are not THAT important - but they are important. If you grab a kicker that is on a good offense - you should be OK.
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's not really how it works either. I mean yeah the best are usually on a good offense, but last year's top 10 also included Chicago's Robby Gould and Detroit's Jason Hanson. If you're on the kind of offense that mostly has red-zone problems, then your kicker is really gold. The 'Skins' Shaun Suisham did alright last year, for example.
 
The unpredictability is exactly why you want one that plays for a team with a good offense. You KNOW that Nick Folk is going to kick a lot of extra points. Same thing with Viniteri. You never know who's gonna be the next rob Bironas and just have a ridiculous fantasy year.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]The unpredictability is exactly why you want one that plays for a team with a good offense.
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Sure, I noted that as an exception in my post above.

But that's only a handful of kickers. Rob Bironas, who you mention, was really average all last year except for two weeks (7 and 15)

And there are no guarantees, ever. Vinatieri kicked only 1 point against San Diego last year, Nick Folk had 5 games in which he scored 6 points or less. Kaeding only scored 2 points the first two games. Gostowski was obviously something else because of the team he was in, but that was a pretty exception on the rule every way around.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]The unpredictability is exactly why you want one that plays for a team with a good offense. You KNOW that Nick Folk is going to kick a lot of extra points. Same thing with Viniteri. You never know who's gonna be the next rob Bironas and just have a ridiculous fantasy year.
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That's probably why I drafted Nick Folk. The number one kicker last year...
 
shut up DB. i looked at your draft wish-list and you had "my arms" listed from #1 through #50. you just got lucky with the autodraft is all.
 
DammitBoy said:
That's probably why I drafted Nick Folk. The number one kicker last year...
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Ahahaahah!

You drafted a kicker in the 4th round when most of us were drafting top-level WRs and you're pretending it's a good thing?

Also, Folk was the #5 kicker last year by our scoring format, after Crosby, Bironas, Brown and Gostowski. He also scored less in real life than all of those, 'cept Brown.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
shut up DB. i looked at your draft wish-list and you had "my arms" listed from #1 through #50. you just got lucky with the autodraft is all.
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Just remember this young man, in the league I competed in last year, eom won and I came in second - kharm did not.

He thinks he knows everything - he does not.
 
DammitBoy said:
Just remember this young man, in the league I competed in last year, eom won and I came in second - kharm did not.
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What DB fails to mention is that we've competed in the Asshats league three times:
2005
BN: 1st
DB: 6th
2006
BN: 5th
DB: 12th
2007
BN: 3rd
DB: 2nd

He beat me once by ending up one place higher than me. I beat him twice by ending half a dozen places higher than him.

DB overall performance on Yahoo!: Football 72%, football plus 18% - has never won a fantasy football league, 2nd place is highest

BN overall performance on Yahoo!: Football 82%, football plus 82% - won 1st fantasy football league I competed in, hit 3rd later

Oh, whoops, what was that, DB? You suck compared to me? That's right.

I like how you're improving your RB squad by adding more middle-tier RBs. Soon you'll have a whole bunch of sub-1000 yard RBs that won't achieve anything for you this year. Congratulations! Stop trying to reach for Bush and try to reach for his girlfriend instead.
 
Question:

Team defense only scores points based on points allowed per game right?

All other defensive stats (including defensive scoring i.e. safeties, pick returns etc.) go to the individual player?


Before this thing starts shouldn't we have some sort of wager? Something utterly embarrassing and demoralizing?
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Team defense only scores points based on points allowed per game right?

All other defensive stats (including defensive scoring i.e. safeties, pick returns etc.) go to the individual player?
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Nope, team defenses is points allowed PLUS all those defensive scores.

Seems double doesn't it? But it makes the most sense. In our system team Ds score about 6-10 points, which is about the same IDPs do.
 
I didn't attempt to join this league because I'm already in one, but I'll be monitoring this thread from time to time as the season progresses. I expect to see some creative trash-talking, or I'll be disappointed.
 
oh...weird...i thought for some reason you were in on this. shee-it man, this is one of three leagues i'm in on. i guarantee each one of my leagues will beat your league in alternate league dimensions.


you dumb idiot.
 
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