Josh Sawyer speaks about a possible future Fallout

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by TorontoReign, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Sandman oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Josh Sawyer was recently interviewed by about Pillars of Eternity when he was asked about a possible future Fallout sequel. Through the power of Google Translate we now bring you his thoughts on the subject:

    I always wanted a Fallout set in Detroit. Show Bethesda how it is done Obsidian!
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  2. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    I want to see a new series entirely based on this idea of an apocalypse more in-tune with something people actually fear today. With Fallout 2 levels of writing and background depth, obviously. Possibly an isometric turn-based games, because thanks to Wasteland 2 and new XCOMs re-sparking my interest, I really want to see more new, polished ones. Something based more on a breakdown of society, rather than a straight-up apocalypse.
  3. Practicat

    Practicat Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 25, 2014
    And I'm patiently waiting for the answer to which of the four main endings in Fallout: New Vegas will be canon, which is inevitably going to be answered in the next west coast Fallout, which probably and thankfully won't be made by Bethesda. I see some posts where people have little hope for the future of the series, but I still wish the best for it.
  4. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    Jan 19, 2016
    John R. Gonzalez and Chris Avellone are missing from the team. That is going to be a problem.

    Most likey the Yes-Man ending. Maybe NCR.
  5. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    I would think it would be the Mr House ending, that is the whole point of how the Courier got shot in the first place, delivering the Chip to Mr House.
    Mr House also has a clear plan for New Vegas that is more fleshed out than the more generic NCR assimilation, Legion conquered or unpredictable Courier ruled NV, seems to be easier and more interesting to have another "big" faction gaining power and being controlled by a pre-war genius.

    But that is just my opinion of course. >_>
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  6. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I say just create a new isometric turn based IP with ideas from Fallout 1 and 2(it's not like Bethesda is using them). No point in hoping to dress up a rotting corpse in hopes of a New Vegas 2.
  7. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    speaking of new Xcom, Firaxis is very generous by giving 50 gb asset; which might be interesting if someone made a total fallout conversion with it. isometric and turnbased yeah!
  8. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    Jan 19, 2016
    Mr. House is too much of a game changer. Also, the writers made it very clear that they prefer the independent route and they prefer the ending with the most ambiguity.

    Even if Bethesda somehow losses the rights to the series, there is no going back. Too much of the fanbase demands Bethesda's brand of Fallout and fans of original titles have been demonized. Look at the reaction people had for Fallout New Vegas for not "getting" the series.
  9. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Crossed my mind with that. Firaxis, apart from ironically proving right now that you can have a modder-centric community without being patronising "mods will fix it" cheap chumps, are apparently opening the engine up a lot this time round, plus being a PC exclusive will give it a lot of possibilities.

    There's definitely going to be something Fallout-y for it at some point.

    Don't remind me. There were also people who lacked basic concept of geography confused on why the Brotherhood of Steel were in that state of being, with a different default power armour. Also, people complaining about New Vegas' factions being worse than Fallout 4's because reasons. And finally:

    Oh, well, gee, none of that to blame on Bethesda at all, huh? Good for you pal, enjoy your closed world and your tiny little corner while the rest of the world aren't denying it like ignoring a bleeding wound!
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  10. Ballfondler

    Ballfondler First time out of the vault

    Dec 19, 2015
    Glory to our Almighty Lord and Savior!! XD
  11. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

    Jul 2, 2015
    It's not like they can't come back. My sense was that Avellone left mostly because he was doing more work for people other than Obsidian than he was for his employer.

    I figure the likelihood of the canon NV endings are: 1) Yes Man 2) NCR, 3) House, 4) Legion.
  12. Dragula

    Dragula Stormtrooper oTO Orderite

    Nov 6, 2008
    No one cares what Josh has to say. He should focus on cycling.
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  13. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    That doesn't need to be answered at all.

    West is pretty big, and the hypothetical game's setting doesn't need to relate in any way to New Vegas and Mojave, nor the events that transpire in it. It could happen before NV, it could happen at the same time. Even if it happens after, there are many ways to simply avoid mentioning Courier and his quest.

    In any case, that is the solution I would be happiest with. I never understood the importance of having a single canon ending in a game, after you've been offered a plethora of options and possible endings.
  14. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    (fingers crossed, Father Elijah ending)

    I think Obsidian should forget Fallout. The series is doomed to be run into the ground. Start a new IP. One more relevant to the new generation, as Josh said. A more dystopian future rather than an apocalyptic one. Try to build on current events and guess at where they'll lead us in a hundred years or so. New fashions, medical technology, new weaponry, new countries. There's so much stuff you could do with a dystopian RPG.
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  15. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    I really wish InXile or Obsidian would just kickstart their own spiritual successor to Fallout already. As much as I love Fallout as long as Bethesda controls it it will just be a fucking mess, especially when it comes to the lore and consistency of the setting. FNV to me was "the best out of a bad situation". It had some really good stuff but it was also held back by a lot of shitty stuff from Bethesda's formula. A FNV2 or whatever would be the best out of a horrible situation. I really don't want to see that. Obsidian can only work on so many things at once and if I get a choice between whether I want to see a best out of horrible situation-Fallout and a new IP that is heavily inspired by the older Fallouts I can't ever go for the former.

    Sawyer, just stop. Just leave Fallout alone. Don't even consider going back there, man. No matter what you do or how hard you try it will be held back even more so than FNV was by the gameplay limitations and Bethesda's looming shadow. Just create a new IP if you want to explore a (post-)post-apocalyptic or dystopian setting so much. Don't walk into the talons Bethesda want to wrap around your throat.

    Ugh... If they do one I will buy it and play it. But I'll most likely just end up criticizing the hell out of it and constantly ponder on the "what if". What if they decided to just create their own IP. I mean, wasn't PoT successful? Didn't it show you that kickstarter can be done? Why not go back to it? That's what will constantly plague me about it. Yeah, we'll have gotten a worse FNV2, but imagine what else we could've gotten had they decided to just create their own IP that's a spiritual successor to Fallout.

    Oh well, maybe InXile will do it with their Van Buren trademark at least.
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  16. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    InXile already has their post apocalyptic IP, it has Wasteland.

    EDIT: Nope, I was wrong, they own the Wasteland name, EA still owns the IP. My bad
  17. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    How does that work, anyway? They can make a Wasteland game that's not officially one? I'm confused.

  18. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Regardless, I'm talking about a real spiritual successor to Fallout. Wasteland was kind of like that thematically and Underrail was kind of like that mechanically, but I've yet to see a real post-apocalyptic spiritual successor to Fallout. Wasteland is its own thing. Just like Underrail.
  19. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
    I like how well thought-out everything Sawyer has to say is. If there is to be an additional installment, I would be confident that there would be enough content in a story directed by him that I would lose years to it.
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  20. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Even though the situation is not the same, the successor will probably be what Dishonored was to classic Thief and Bioshock was to System Shock. It will be a little bit more streamlined, so not as complex as the older ones, but it will capture the spirit perfectly and look great while its at it. A tiny bit of dumbing down and scale down per Human Revolution is worth getting a spiritual successor to Fallout. There's never really been a spiritual successor that isn't at least a bit less complex than the original, but I don't mind.