Just Wondering.... (Relates to Jagged Alliance 2)

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by cratchety ol joe, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Sep 2, 2008
    how this forum has not caught the latest news.

    JA2, a very much akin to FO 1 & 2 in play style (if not content) game has recently had some good news, a company is going to make a Jagged Alliance 2 : Reloaded game!! :clap:

    that was the good news. a brand new game engine, new graphics etc

    Until... *quoted from their forums...*

    The gist of that if TL:DR... no longer are we making JA2 into a modern game, we're fekking around and making some mumbo jumbo RTS thing

    Another Classic game, bought out and soon to be flayed of any resemblance to its predecessors. :roll:

    Just wondered if anyone here was a JA2 fan.... (and isn't a resident @ the Bear Pit) hope this is imformative at least!
  2. SharkClub

    SharkClub Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    I saw it over at RPGCodex, what a shame. :(

    I'm puzzled as to why they think real-time is the next step in evolution for turn-based games, retard developers have to understand that real-time and turn-based are two completely separate genres.
  3. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    Damn it.

    This sucks.

    I guess this means that I can't initiate a two-pronged attack using two different strike teams to throw my enemies for a loop because I GET TO PLAN AND GO!

  4. Arr0nax

    Arr0nax A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 30, 2009

    It's just too funny.
    I mean... What the fuck... It's like a plague. No one has to take over old and hardcore franchises to turn them into mainstream.
    Yet they do it with every single one ! JA was one of the few that had been spared.
    But today, it fell too, and the plague keeps spreading.

    The truth is we as fans are being exploited as an unwilling advertising system.

    It really feels like franchise rape to me. I think we should have an international law to prevent such violations.
  5. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    And there goes 95% of their sales to old fans and probably most of their profit. I'm curious how they think that this will somehow appeal to a bigger crowd? I looked up the official forum and they've pretty much said it all, they are turning a niche title with a dedicated consumer base into a nice title with a nebulous consumer base at best.

    I get the feeling that their JA games will sink the company.
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    and thats pretty realistic from how you describe it particularly when you dont have a company with the resources behind it like Bethesda or something similar.

    Heh, I dont even remember how many times I killed Deidrana :P

    Awesome game ! Someo f the best Tournbased combat has to offer, both JA1 and JA2

    Mike before you hire him and you have no reputation :"Werent you shown a copy of my Biography?"

    Videl-leave-me-alone-cause-Iam-busy-dahan :D !

    And lots more.
  7. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Saw it right on the first day and decided to not care anymore about this game. Jagged Alliance is dead, so it's just not worth to rage about it.
  8. SkuLL

    SkuLL Chad McRealman Orderite

    Sep 6, 2009

    JA2 is still the most 'playable' game to me. To this day, I get a good feeling when I play that game - from the beginning, with one poor merc, to the end, with a squad of professional ass-kickers. Tactical map, training militia and combat are equally enjoyable.

    The only thing I didn't like much was searching the bland environments after combat. I hoped the new JA would take care of that by doing essentially the same as JA2, just nicer graphics.

    This new fight system sounds jokes :sad:
  9. Arden

    Arden Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 26, 2010
    There goes another one. i'm actually surprised they did not turn it into a FPS.


    I wonder what developers will do, once all the old franchises are raped. Come up with own stuff? Hard to imagine.
  10. rcorporon

    rcorporon So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jan 31, 2008
    I think they should pull the camera closer to the action, like maybe used 3rd person.

    And put in some waist high walls to provide some sort of "cover system".

    And maybe some chainsaw guns and quicktime events.

  11. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    To compensate the lack of turn based combat, they could add a ADRENALINE mode, which uses action points. This mode let's you target bodyparts of the enemies. It's kind of like turn based combat, just cooler and more immersive.
  12. Khan FurSainty

    Khan FurSainty Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Apr 23, 2009
    With slow motion and exploding body parts.
  13. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    Since this hasn't been posted here yet I thought I'd add it in:
    They are using Fallout 3 to justify what they're doing with the delusion that they could be anywhere near as successful with a remake.
  14. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    So then I use Fallout 3 to justify that Jagged Alliance should become a first person shooter.
  15. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I doubt they will create anything new, they will most likely look at what Indie games are doing well, buy those games' rights and change them to make them more appealing to mainstream gamers.

    There should indeed be a law against this blunt changing of classic games and their gameplay.

    If Karma did really exist these uncreative people would have long lost their jobs as game designers.
    Would serve them right too, leeching of the work done by better minds.
  16. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Well, after all classic / old franchises are raped, they could start raping them again. Like they do with movies.
  17. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Re-imagining them, Prequels, From another view point, What if's...

    Damm it, we are f****** doomed!
  18. Arden

    Arden Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 26, 2010
    "Accesible" fuck yeah!

    How i start to hate that word. Toning down everything until every last retard with the attention span and intelligence of a friggin tired mosquito suffering from terminal braincancer has acces to it. If in 20 years some aliens show up, they will only find a bunch of gibbering idiots on this planet. One of them wearing a suit selling two-piece puzzles, downers and some accesible shitgames to the rest.

    Bad enough what they did to Fallout, now its even used as a fucking excuse to retardize other stuff.
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The thing is, it seems the developers have already made up their mind and they are determinetd of making a "modern" version of JA.

    So its somewhat pointless talking with them about it on their forum in my eyes as even if you present them the best possible arguments and facts they still will simply come up with "its not modern and just tedius" cause they have the impression a game needs fast action to be a game that sells well.

    But you can not compare that way as tourn-based gameplay is trying to achieve a certain experience. A experience real time or "half real time" or real time with pause will never ever be able to deliver. That would be like asking for a motor cross bike that gives you the experience of a mountainbike obviously the bike with the engine is faster and a completely different experience but do people ever consider that exactly cause the mountainbike has NO engine that this is the experience the users are searching for ?

    I love tournbased personaly for a very simple reason. It is slow not tedius. It offers tactical choices a real time game just cant. I liked Baldurs Gate but I dont prefer this gameplay to JAs true tourn based combat which had a world and gameplay build around the tourn based combat. Finding ways, senaking past enemy lines or trying to fight them from your defensive position. I cant imagine all that with a real time gameplay. Not without ending somewhat in chaotic gameplay.

    By the way the REAL way how to modernise tourn based gameplay was shown by Silent Storm which has it improved in a way that is logic.
  20. Dario ff

    Dario ff Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 19, 2008
    Hey, look what I found:
    Predict the next franchise to be rehashed

    Does Arden get some kind of prize?

    EDIT: Oh, and turn-based games can't be appealing really, that's why Frozen Synapse isn't getting lots of preorders.