Krai Mira: Work in Progress MMO

[Ranne]

The original and only major point I was making: regardless of the fact that many low-budget games can be fun, successful, ingenious, etc. etc... Just bear with me. Completely regardless of that fact, when low-budget games decide to imitate, rather than innovate, in direct point-by-point comparison they can rarely be positively compared against the AAA counterparts they are imitating. Again, then they imitate, and let's make it clearer, only when they don't go with their own thing and imitate, they can be subject to direct comparison with the games they try to clone, regardless of their indie low-budget nature. They do not deserve to be judged by a different set of criteria, at least in my view.

Here are just some random examples of such games. It may not already be about Krai Mira (is it about Pretty Woman being a low-budget flick? Who knows..), but I was only looking at it and games similar to it when I made most of my previous posts.
www.gamespot.com/pc/action/instinct/review.html
www.gamespot.com/pc/action/youareempty/review.html
www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/etromastralessence/review.html
www.gamespot.com/pc/action/pompoliccallforheroes/review.html
www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/anacaprithedream/review.html
www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/darknesswithininpursuitofloathnolder/review.html

Other than that, the last two posters actually said some things uplifting and informative, things I can actually agree with and stop this discussion. That reading incomprehension problem seems to be contagious anyway.

EDIT: BN, which Avernum is the best one to try the series?

 

[Brother None]

Completely regardless of that fact, when low-budget games decide to imitate, rather than innovate, in direct point-by-point comparison they can rarely be positively compared against the AAA counterparts they are imitating. Again, then they imitate, and let's make it clearer, only when they don't go with their own thing and imitate, they can be subject to direct comparison with the games they try to clone, regardless of their indie low-budget nature.

Aye, agreed.

Though do keep in mind the community aspect which makes the MMO discussion a bit unique. But if we talk indie MMOs, I would agree, Krai Mira is a less interesting project than, say, Minions of Mirth.

EDIT: BN, which Avernum is the best one to try the series?

I always find that question tough to answer. I haven't played them all - I skipped Avernum 3. I think Avernum 4 is weak. Avernum 5 is well-designed but really very large - a bit dauntingly so. Avernum 1 and Avernum 2 are both really strong (though I should also note I didn't finish 2), so I guess 1 might be the best point to start.

I also think that despite Avernum being the flagship series, Geneforge offers a lot more in "RPG-ness" than Avernum, and has a more interesting setting and approach to storytelling.

 

[Sarla]

Schindler's List, $25 million
There's Something About Mary, $23 million
The Waterboy, $23 million
Good Will Hunting, $10 million
Fargo, $7 million
The Usual Suspects, $6 million

Of these only Schindler's List can be considered a AAA title.

At the 69th Academy Awards, Fargo won two Oscars, for best original screenplay and for best actress in a leading role for Frances McDormand. The film also won the British BAFTA Award and several other international film awards, including the Award for Best Director (Joel Coen) at the Cannes Film Festival of 1996.



Have you ever even watched Fargo?

 

[Brother None]

At the 69th Academy Awards, Fargo won two Oscars, for best original screenplay and for best actress in a leading role for Frances McDormand. The film also won the British BAFTA Award and several other international film awards, including the Award for Best Director (Joel Coen) at the Cannes Film Festival of 1996.

Have you ever even watched Fargo?

"Won lots of awards" does not mean AAA title. "AAA" is about two things: production costs and intended sales numbers, both being through the roof.

Fargo is also overrated.

 

[Sander]

Have you ever even watched Fargo?

Yes, I thought it was a good film. This does not make it a AAA title.
In fact, AAA says absolutely nothing about artistic quality or entertainment value, it only says something about budget and intended audience (ie. mainstream).

 

[shihonage]

Fargo had a subtext. Great movie. First time I watched it I was 20 or so and saw it as just another "quirky bloodfest". When I got older and watched it again, some things sank in.

 

[terebikun]

Fargo is also overrated.

Wrong. Now that No Country For Old Men is out it's no longer their best (or arguably their best, maybe tied with Barton Fink), but it certainly isn't overrated.

 

[Brother None]

Wrong. Now that No Country For Old Men is out it's no longer their best (or arguably their best, maybe tied with Barton Fink), but it certainly isn't overrated.

What?

If you say "wrong" I expect arguments. Not "Wrong. I have a different opinion." I know you have a different opinion, that doesn't make me wrong.

Barton Fink is pretentious slop, by the way, and No Country For Old Men definitely isn't their best. Neither is Fargo. Fargo has never been their best, and people saying so is exactly what makes me go "it's overrated".

 

[Sarla]

The point was and is that Fargo, only having 7 mil spent on it shows that something can be quite enjoyable with out having massive money spent on it. Just as this game being a low budget inde hopefully will turn out.

Personally IMO a very large amount of these so called AAA films/games totally suck, are a waste of my money, and are over rated ones. Many have high sales figures more from advertising than actual creative value. Fargo is only a sample of movies that were not AAA but yet are very good and stand the test of time.

 

[Sander]

The point was and is that Fargo, only having 7 mil spent on it shows that something can be quite enjoyable with out having massive money spent on it. Just as this game being a low budget inde hopefully will turn out.

Well, yes. But, like this indie game, it didn't aim to directly compete with the AAA titles.