That's exactly what a Pinko Commie Anarcho-Islamofascist would say!
Left-wing Bias in Bethesda's Fallout Products
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That's exactly what a Pinko Commie Anarcho-Islamofascist would say!
khain
[X] Sarcastic
Which is funny, since you'd think that the moderate spread of the political compass tool/test and its 2D approach would help people understand the distinction.
Freedom, as word and concept, has been probably one of the single most missused words in our century so far. It's like everywhere! Everyone, everything, needs complete freedom. In their choices, in economy, as individual, their pets, on a political level, the money. Simply freedom. Sometimes I can't hear it anymore. As like it would be some kind of instant improvement, it's like magic!. And people don't realize how much choice is actually taken away by giving more freedom to the wrong people in the end.
You know what the modern society will cry on it's death-bed.
You know what the modern society will cry on it's death-bed.
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Khannis
Rebuilding America
This is the type of discussion that frequently goes nowhere because people simply can't agree on the very meaning of the pertaining concepts.
It's ridiculous. That's a why I prefer to discuss by specific topics or issues. Generalizations in this case simply don't work.
It's ridiculous. That's a why I prefer to discuss by specific topics or issues. Generalizations in this case simply don't work.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
This really because of upbringing, world view and personal opinions. Freedom to some means anarchy and chaos, to others a perfect state of society, in which people are free to do whatever they wish.
Moosick
cats
I find that it's less often "freedom" that is abused*, and more "democracy". Without wishing to go into that dude who quotes people like a tosser-mode, F.A. Hayek said it thus:
*as I feel that it, as a word, a concept, a philosophy, should be made evident and only really in difficult question on a contextual level - if you cannot first lay down a rough guide to your 'how muches', why even try to discuss it in the first place?
*as I feel that it, as a word, a concept, a philosophy, should be made evident and only really in difficult question on a contextual level - if you cannot first lay down a rough guide to your 'how muches', why even try to discuss it in the first place?
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
Democracy is bullshit, it can work but it takes effort and requires honest Humans.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Hmm? I mainly say it because you can rig LEGALLY elections in the US.
Winston S. Churchill said:
Well, he was right.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I would disagree, of course that statement comes from a biased view. Hell, no country is really a fair democracy.
What's a fair democracy for you though? Genuine question.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Me? Well... one where all people directly vote on a certain topic (elections, policies, etc) in required voting. I have never really gone into the matter, because even my form is heavily flawed.
Actually wait, democracy is like socialism. It can work if people weren't so fucked up.
Yeah, but godly human perfection was never really the goal. The goal was to have something resembling a representative government with a separation of powers instead of some hereditary lord or cultural doorkeepers deciding everything.
It's like saying that a coal plant is bullshit because it isn't a fusion reactor. And also, sometimes, the boilers leak because Rob the welder doesn't know how to do his job.
It's like saying that a coal plant is bullshit because it isn't a fusion reactor. And also, sometimes, the boilers leak because Rob the welder doesn't know how to do his job.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I know, still hilarious how we were made in God's image, which is what? Failure?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Oh but it is! Or it could be! Religion isn't just a choice you know. It has massive effects on society and the world, including the people living in that world.
I get the feeling that you didn't understand what I meant.
1) Godhood isn't real or meaningful category of being. It's an entirely artificial abstraction. Generically, it means you're so powerful that some meatbag humans are in awe of you. Sometimes not even that.
2) There is no moral order in the universe. And no reason to believe that any arbitrary being you decided was a god should care or tend to such a thing. Assuming that being itself wasn't some made-up fairy tale cherished by whatever tribe you belong to.
1) Godhood isn't real or meaningful category of being. It's an entirely artificial abstraction. Generically, it means you're so powerful that some meatbag humans are in awe of you. Sometimes not even that.
2) There is no moral order in the universe. And no reason to believe that any arbitrary being you decided was a god should care or tend to such a thing. Assuming that being itself wasn't some made-up fairy tale cherished by whatever tribe you belong to.
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
Ah I apologize then. Though by that logic what you're saying is worthless... (I am not religious) Because it has no physical purpose and use. Just rambling.
You're talking about direct democracy. And frankly, you would not be the only one think about more democracy in our lifes.
I think normal people could possibly make even complex decisions, like foreign policy, economy etc. After all, politicans or leaders are just humans after all. And I believe that you can explain even sophisticated topics to normal people, at least so far, that they can make reasonable decisions.
What's important is free education and more important, easy access to informations. Only people that are tought how to think for them self, can actually get so far.
But as long as the highest form of education and information is limited to just a few people and institutions, things can not ever really improve or change from the situation we have right now. You have to be a member of the right groups, elites, getting the right jobs, knowing the right people, getting in to the right circles, corporations and/or money.
It is incredible difficult for a normal person to really pursue and follow his ideals or goals, something always gets in your way, be it your age or something else. Because we are simply to bussy. To bussy in working our jobs earning money, keeping the family together, sometimes with 2 jobs even. Supporting our own life or family. Lowering debts like student loans or for buying their home.
So much technology and efficiency and production. And yet, we are at the mercy of a handfull of individuals making the decisions, deciding the right time for dimplomacy, or wars, who's acting in our interest, who our allies and enemies are.
Maybe I am exagerating, but I would say a person, owning and working on their own land, beeing responsible for his/her own life, had eventually more controll over their own faith and decisions, compared to someone who's sitting behind his desk working inside a 9-10 hour job 5-6 days a week. People had a certain independency and power. If only small and limited. While you have a lot of convenience today, if you have at least some steady income, you are giving up a lot of decision-making.
We probably can't get back to a rural life, to even suggest that would be ludicrous. But I feel that our whole system in education is really not helping people to grow and actually educate them correctly. I mean, it doesn't seem like schools actually show children and teenagers how to actually teach and think for themselfs. Instead of educating people in math, they teach them how to be calculators, instead of teaching physics, they just teach you how to be calculators, instead of how to ask questions, they give you pre-defined answers.
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