Let's Talk About #2: Religion and My Life [Might Be A TL;DR]

Agnostic atheism/ignostic. I find discussion over religion to be near-pointless if you can't define what you discuss. Otherwise you may as well just hoot at each other like owls. I do, however, follow many Buddhist ideas, particularly Wabi-Sabi and liminality.
 
First thing guys, and this might not surprise you but I wrote this after smoking a spliff. That should explain my failure to notice typos and grammatical errors and whatnot. I didn't even think once to try to look over this before I posted it.

That explains more than just the typos.

Such as? Hope you're not some anti-marijuana white knight, would be a damn shame.
 
As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.
 
Uhh, both.


The one's that make you feel nice, don't really unlock anything, the ones that do that cause you to vomit and go to hell.
 
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One of the primary problems with Christianity - is with the Bible. After so many years of re-translations being written in another language, again and again, and with the Catholic Church meddling with the Bible, the "Gospel" has been diluted to all hell. Half the stuff that's in there now is probably completely screwed up from the original intended message.

F A L S E

This is one of many common rumors regarding ancient religious texts- particularly the Bible. No, it is has not been changed, at least not intentionally. At most, the translations from Hebrew to Greek have impacted the meaning of some phrases, particular sentences, et cetera, but by and large the Bible is the same as it has been for thousands of years.
 
.. the Bible is the same as it has been for thousands of years.
Yes, and this is why I cannot take many of its parts seriously. Our knowledge in various fields of human endeavours is constantly increasing, so we can explain many things nowadays in a very different ways, instead of resorting to involvement of some supernatural power.

Let's look at Abraham for instance. According to book Genesis, he has heard a voice in his head, commanding him to cut throath of his son, so he grabbed a knife, decided to do so. Fortunately, the same voice told him a little later that this is not a good idea, so he released that poor boy and decided to cut some sheep instead.

The same happens on a daily basis though. There's a lot of people hearing silent voices in their heads, commanding them to murder someone. Such person is been diagnosed with bipolar disorder usualy, moved to nearest psychiatric clinic, held in a safety cells, and doped with sedatives. Does that mean we are trying to confute the voices of god now or what?
 
Mate you might be confused as to what bipolar is because hallucinations and/or delusions in the absolute height of mania, and only then in a small number of those with Type I Bipolar. Additionally, those sorts of mood-swings and changes typically happen over the course of weeks or months; ultra-rapid cycling bipolar, cyclothymia etc being quite rare.

Additionally, sedatives are used in some cases (some neuroleptics share usage with epilepsy, schizophrenia etc) but for the most part, no, and even then, they are mild sedatives that at most make you very lethargic, which isn't always helpful as it can further bring patients down, so they try to cater treatments so they have the fewest negative side effects possible.
 
One of the primary problems with Christianity - is with the Bible. After so many years of re-translations being written in another language, again and again, and with the Catholic Church meddling with the Bible, the "Gospel" has been diluted to all hell. Half the stuff that's in there now is probably completely screwed up from the original intended message.

F A L S E

This is one of many common rumors regarding ancient religious texts- particularly the Bible. No, it is has not been changed, at least not intentionally. At most, the translations from Hebrew to Greek have impacted the meaning of some phrases, particular sentences, et cetera, but by and large the Bible is the same as it has been for thousands of years.

Challange accepted.

First Council of Nicae

By the way. You should clarify which version of the Bible you mean. The mormons? King James? Jehovas Witness? Translations by (insert translator here)? And don't tell me those are not Bibles. I am pretty sure that a member of Jehovas Witness takes his religion as serious like any crazy catholic.
 
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The Mormon religion was founded by a horny sham artist. Comparing it to actual Christianity is a joke. Scientology holds as much value as Mormonism. At least Christianity dates back to ancient times.
 
That's REALLY harsh on Mormons. Granted, I grew up in a community surrounded by Mormons, so I have a deep-rooted loathing for them, and my exposure has led me to know more about what they believe than had I simply been aware of them. But they're just NOT cut from the same cloth as Scientologists. Joseph Smith wasn't trying to evade taxes, he was trying to create his own religion. L. Ron Hubbard wasn't trying to create his own religion, he was trying to evade taxes. It's quite possible that he was delusional to the point that he began convincing himself of his own lies in order for his psyche to remain intact, but at the heart of his efforts, it's still plain as day that his aim was to make money and pay no taxes.

Also, the proof is in the pudding, in the sense that Mormons aren't litigious bastards with a trigger-finger for suing and massive real estate investments and stored assets in Cayman Island accounts, they're just inconspicuous... uh... "churches". They may have been founded in similar (but not the same) circumstances as Scientologists, but it's quite unfair to liken them to one another. Mormons are generally well-meaning if potentially misguided people. Scientologists are fucking psychopaths.

I'm sure Wumbology understands that this isn't meant as an insult directed at him, considering he isn't one anymore.
 
Cmon. The supposed tablets were clearly not what he-Joseph Smith-claimed them to be. The whole thing is founded on a lie. It holds value to people, but comparing their books to actual legitimate historical texts is absurd.
 
Legitimate historical texts? Mhmmm ... you might want to think about that again when talking about religions. The Bible for example, if that is what you mean is not a historical text. Who knows in 5 000 years people might take Smiths claims as historical information just as how some take Abraham as possible historical figures. But there is no way to know if it has any historical merrits or not.

The Mormon religion was founded by a horny sham artist. Comparing it to actual Christianity is a joke. Scientology holds as much value as Mormonism. At least Christianity dates back to ancient times.
2000 years ago Christianity was nothing more but a sect either and the jewish authorities of Jerusalem didn't saw in Jesus more than a lunatic. What holds value for me or you is not really the point. Christianity if practised seriously and literaly ... isn't more than a joke either if you think about it. I get your point, but I hope you realize how easy it is to pick on any religion. And for me personaly the age of a religion doesn't mean that much. It just means that it becomes at some point eventually a tradition. If it sticks around for long enough ...
 
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Cmon. The supposed tablets were clearly not what he-Joseph Smith-claimed them to be. The whole thing is founded on a lie. It holds value to people, but comparing their books to actual legitimate historical texts is absurd.
I am NOT disputing that fact at all. I'm simply pointing out that, as far as their respective organizations evolving is concerned, one went the way of a religion (even if it was founded off of lies), the other went the way of a cult that runs like a ponzi scheme and sues anyone and everyone for the slightest reasons.
 
As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.

How do you figure marijuana can be classified with all the other hard core drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine? You can't become physically dependent on it, you really can't become mentally dependent on it (no matter what the "gobmint" says. I quit smoking for a week last month when I went camping. I could have easily brought a sack of weed along with me if I "needed it" mentally or physically). Nobody that wasn't working for a cartel or dangerous street gang (that probably sold more than marijuana) ever killed another person because of it. Nobody ever smoked a joint and stabbed their kids, or anybody for that matter. So I'm just very curious on how you classify marijuana as a "drug" - assuming you mean "drugs" as in cocaine, meth, heroin, etc. and not "drugs" as in tylenol, asprin, etc.

Not to mention marijuana's numerous proven medical uses that only to big to fail corporations, the government, and die-hard anti-marijuana campaigners still refuse to believe, despite what statistics, study, and research is shown to them. Colorado has already legalized it for recreational use. I'm assuming California isn't that far behind. Many states have legalized it for medical use. You'll never see another "drug", as you call it, make it even close to that point of legalization. Nor will you ever see another study conducted highlighting the medicinal benefits of another, quote - "drug".

One of the primary problems with Christianity - is with the Bible. After so many years of re-translations being written in another language, again and again, and with the Catholic Church meddling with the Bible, the "Gospel" has been diluted to all hell. Half the stuff that's in there now is probably completely screwed up from the original intended message.

F A L S E

This is one of many common rumors regarding ancient religious texts- particularly the Bible. No, it is has not been changed, at least not intentionally. At most, the translations from Hebrew to Greek have impacted the meaning of some phrases, particular sentences, et cetera, but by and large the Bible is the same as it has been for thousands of years.

Actually the Bible has been changed. Mistranslation upon mistranslation from language to language, from era to era, and not to mention whatever the Vatican/Catholic Church may or may not have had to do with it........

Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you'd like, but there are many - including scholars - whom support this claim. Even if it were just mistranslations that we are talking about, there are still single words that could have/were indeed changed. And knowing how "Biblical Realists" whom take every word in the Bible in literal translation read things.....

Not to mention when the first versions of the Bible were printed, over half the population of said places were educationally ignorant and illiterate. So it's not uncommon to think that some things may have been changed for somebody's own personal will, or that the priests could have just stood there telling the people whatever the fuck they wanted to tell them, and as long as the people believed that what he said was ACTUALLY in the Bible, well, then.... But alas, this last paragraph really has nothing to do with the original topic at hand (not the original topic, but the one which you brought up).
 
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As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.

How do you figure marijuana can be classified with all the other hard core drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine? You can't become physically dependent on it, you really can't become mentally dependent on it (no matter what the "gobmint" says. I quit smoking for a week last month when I went camping. I could have easily brought a sack of weed along with me if I "needed it" mentally or physically). Nobody that wasn't working for a cartel or dangerous street gang (that probably sold more than marijuana) ever killed another person because of it. Nobody ever smoked a joint and stabbed their kids, or anybody for that matter. So I'm just very curious on how you classify marijuana as a "drug" - assuming you mean "drugs" as in cocaine, meth, heroin, etc. and not "drugs" as in tylenol, asprin, etc.

Not to mention marijuana's numerous proven medical uses that only to big to fail corporations, the government, and die-hard anti-marijuana campaigners still refuse to believe, despite what statistics, study, and research is shown to them. Colorado has already legalized it for recreational use. I'm assuming California isn't that far behind. Many states have legalized it for medical use. You'll never see another "drug", as you call it, make it even close to that point of legalization. Nor will you ever see another study conducted highlighting the medicinal benefits of another, quote - "drug".
Kind missing the point, don't you think? True, it's not appropriate to label a NATURAL PLANT as a "drug", but the notion he was expressing applies to any mind-altering chemicals, however they were obtained or produced. Rather than claim that MJ "opens your mind" or "unlocks your potential", which is total bullshit, why not just say "I love the way it makes me feel"? That's not bullshit. The same is much more exaggerated, but equally true, with compounds like LSD. People hold that acid trips do things to their consciousness that would otherwise be impossible because something out their mortal coil is holding them back. It's the same false principle as claiming that human beings have only ever "unlocked" 10% of their brain, which has been disproven time and time again. But it's these weird ideas that people get in their heads and somehow we're being held back, and that drugs helps break free from these things. Absolutely not true.

That's what he was saying.






One of the primary problems with Christianity - is with the Bible. After so many years of re-translations being written in another language, again and again, and with the Catholic Church meddling with the Bible, the "Gospel" has been diluted to all hell. Half the stuff that's in there now is probably completely screwed up from the original intended message.

F A L S E

This is one of many common rumors regarding ancient religious texts- particularly the Bible. No, it is has not been changed, at least not intentionally. At most, the translations from Hebrew to Greek have impacted the meaning of some phrases, particular sentences, et cetera, but by and large the Bible is the same as it has been for thousands of years.

Actually the Bible has been changed. Mistranslation upon mistranslation from language to language, from era to era, and not to mention whatever the Vatican/Catholic Church may or may not have had to do with it........

Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you'd like, but there are many - including scholars - whom support this claim. Even if it were just mistranslations that we are talking about, there are still single words that could have/were indeed changed. And knowing how "Biblical Realists" whom take every word in the Bible in literal translation read things.....

Not to mention when the first versions of the Bible were printed, over half the population of said places were educationally ignorant and illiterate. So it's not uncommon to think that some things may have been changed for somebody's own personal will, or that the priests could have just stood there telling the people whatever the fuck they wanted to tell them, and as long as the people believed that what he said was ACTUALLY in the Bible, well, then.... But alas, this last paragraph really has nothing to do with the original topic at hand (not the original topic, but the one which you brought up).
This is only PARTIALLY true. Both sides have their validity when stating claims about "missed in translation" being such a big deal. In some cases it had a huge impact, in other cases it wasn't a real problem. It DID have somewhat of an effect, that's important to note.

What you got wrong was calling it a "conspiracy theory". VERY little of how organized religion has evolved over time has anything to do with conscious conspiring or plotting. One of the BIGGEST misconceptions of Christian mythology/theology is the origin/nature of Hell. In Christian texts, it's very clearly explained as (which Wumbology correctly assessed on the first page) "distance from God". What Catholics call "purgatory" is essentially what Hell was originally conceived as. So, where did this concept of fire and brimstone and torture come from? Well, 2 places. The first was a mistranslation/misappropriation of the term "torment" into "torture". Hell was supposed to be punishing in your absence from God in the same way you would be "punished" by your actions meeting with disapproval from your parents. That is, if you don't care, it doesn't affect you. But if you care, and they have cut you off, it would hurt you. This idea of passive "torment" was transformed into a more active idea of punishment for your deeds, and taken to be "torture". Where the fire and brimstone came from was straight out of fiction: Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy is where that came from.

The Catholic church didn't try to change the Bible in order to draw in more "customers" to grow their own power. A book simply became so popular that it overtook the religion's own views of a concept and made it into a place. In nowhere in the Bible has it ever been described as fire and brimstone and paid and suffering and torture, and it's never been changed to reflect these modern concepts of it. No concerted efforts or plots have ever been done to head in these directions. BUT, ignorance of history did directly lead down these paths. Unaware that a Hell of fire and torture is simply the work of fiction, most people believe it to be of Biblical origin. Unaware of all kinds of things, terrible consequences are to be had.
 
As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.

How do you figure marijuana can be classified with all the other hard core drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine? You can't become physically dependent on it, you really can't become mentally dependent on it (no matter what the "gobmint" says. I quit smoking for a week last month when I went camping. I could have easily brought a sack of weed along with me if I "needed it" mentally or physically). Nobody that wasn't working for a cartel or dangerous street gang (that probably sold more than marijuana) ever killed another person because of it. Nobody ever smoked a joint and stabbed their kids, or anybody for that matter. So I'm just very curious on how you classify marijuana as a "drug" - assuming you mean "drugs" as in cocaine, meth, heroin, etc. and not "drugs" as in tylenol, asprin, etc.

Not to mention marijuana's numerous proven medical uses that only to big to fail corporations, the government, and die-hard anti-marijuana campaigners still refuse to believe, despite what statistics, study, and research is shown to them. Colorado has already legalized it for recreational use. I'm assuming California isn't that far behind. Many states have legalized it for medical use. You'll never see another "drug", as you call it, make it even close to that point of legalization. Nor will you ever see another study conducted highlighting the medicinal benefits of another, quote - "drug".

Lmfao you sure are relaxed for somebody who loves a drug that supposedly makes them really calm.
 
As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.

How do you figure marijuana can be classified with all the other hard core drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine? You can't become physically dependent on it, you really can't become mentally dependent on it (no matter what the "gobmint" says. I quit smoking for a week last month when I went camping. I could have easily brought a sack of weed along with me if I "needed it" mentally or physically). Nobody that wasn't working for a cartel or dangerous street gang (that probably sold more than marijuana) ever killed another person because of it. Nobody ever smoked a joint and stabbed their kids, or anybody for that matter. So I'm just very curious on how you classify marijuana as a "drug" - assuming you mean "drugs" as in cocaine, meth, heroin, etc. and not "drugs" as in tylenol, asprin, etc.

Not to mention marijuana's numerous proven medical uses that only to big to fail corporations, the government, and die-hard anti-marijuana campaigners still refuse to believe, despite what statistics, study, and research is shown to them. Colorado has already legalized it for recreational use. I'm assuming California isn't that far behind. Many states have legalized it for medical use. You'll never see another "drug", as you call it, make it even close to that point of legalization. Nor will you ever see another study conducted highlighting the medicinal benefits of another, quote - "drug".
Kind missing the point, don't you think? True, it's not appropriate to label a NATURAL PLANT as a "drug", but the notion he was expressing applies to any mind-altering chemicals, however they were obtained or produced. Rather than claim that MJ "opens your mind" or "unlocks your potential", which is total bullshit, why not just say "I love the way it makes me feel"? That's not bullshit. The same is much more exaggerated, but equally true, with compounds like LSD. People hold that acid trips do things to their consciousness that would otherwise be impossible because something out their mortal coil is holding them back. It's the same false principle as claiming that human beings have only ever "unlocked" 10% of their brain, which has been disproven time and time again. But it's these weird ideas that people get in their heads and somehow we're being held back, and that drugs helps break free from these things. Absolutely not true.

That's what he was saying.

I never claimed it expanded anyone's potential. Of course that's bullshit. But it's medical benefits aren't.

As long as people admit they like doing drugs because it makes them feel nice and not because it unlocks some kind of deep reservoir of knowledge that's being trapped within the deepest darkest recesses of their mind by capitalist patriarchy or something, I don't really care.

How do you figure marijuana can be classified with all the other hard core drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine? You can't become physically dependent on it, you really can't become mentally dependent on it (no matter what the "gobmint" says. I quit smoking for a week last month when I went camping. I could have easily brought a sack of weed along with me if I "needed it" mentally or physically). Nobody that wasn't working for a cartel or dangerous street gang (that probably sold more than marijuana) ever killed another person because of it. Nobody ever smoked a joint and stabbed their kids, or anybody for that matter. So I'm just very curious on how you classify marijuana as a "drug" - assuming you mean "drugs" as in cocaine, meth, heroin, etc. and not "drugs" as in tylenol, asprin, etc.

Not to mention marijuana's numerous proven medical uses that only to big to fail corporations, the government, and die-hard anti-marijuana campaigners still refuse to believe, despite what statistics, study, and research is shown to them. Colorado has already legalized it for recreational use. I'm assuming California isn't that far behind. Many states have legalized it for medical use. You'll never see another "drug", as you call it, make it even close to that point of legalization. Nor will you ever see another study conducted highlighting the medicinal benefits of another, quote - "drug".

Lmfao you sure are relaxed for somebody who loves a drug that supposedly makes them really calm.

Actually, I'm smoking Sativas. There are two major differences between Sativas and Indicas. Sativas make one want to get up and do things. It gives them a type of focus, or energy to do things. It doesn't give you any real energy like say, vitamin B12 would - but it simply makes you want to get things done. For example, just yesterday I spent all day working odd jobs. I was high that entire day. The few days before, I was sober, lazy, and didn't want to do a damn thing.

Indicas are sort of the opposite of that. They make you relaxed (not that Sativas don't relax you), and make you want to chill out and play a game or something rather than going on the internet and researching something or getting up and going on some kind of "mission".

And saying that weed relaxes everybody is as stupid as saying weed makes you laugh hysterically. Both are total bullshit. Marijuana, while it has a generally similar effect on everybody - the effect differs slightly from person to person. I've never smoked with anybody that's "laughed hysterically" or "forgot to pick up their kids from school" or any of that other stupid bullshit watching T.V. leads you to believe.
 
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