Look at what I found

Saint_Proverbius said:
That picture of a plane dropping bombs was the Enola Gay, which means you have a 150 year old plane wiping out China?
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No, the one with DOZENS of bombers.
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I got a simple question- what happened to those bombers? I hope that isn't a stupid question I was just wondering.
 
The desktop computer are maybe just decoration, or some kind of trophy from a past civilization.

The mobster of new reno was not out of place. I bet the 3 group have build the city. They made it safe and once they done that they pick on each other.

I agree the implant was weird, but cloning and bio tech (i,e:ADN modification) seem to be advance in the world of fallout, so a line of doctor that teach these secret from father/mom to son/daugther isn't so farfetch.

In fallout 2 they had more then 50 year to salvage even more cache of the old civilization and i bet they even begun production.

I see more FO2 a evolution of FO, people are beginning to rebuild civilization, they rediscover science and don't forget it's 50"s movie style, were they made laser gun with a steel pipe and bubble gun under an hour to kill the invader.
 
I really don't feel like reading 5 pages of posts, so if I repeat someone, sorry. I found that yeah, ammo was plentiful in Fallout, but in Fallout 2, it was really hard to find a kickass gun or the ammo for your favorite gun.

As for the pics, if you read the fallout bible, it says that the world of Fallout diverged from our world right after WW2, so maybe they still used those kinds of bombers for 132 years for some reason.
 
calculon00 said:
As for the pics, if you read the fallout bible, it says that the world of Fallout diverged from our world right after WW2, so maybe they still used those kinds of bombers for 132 years for some reason.
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Oh come on! These bombers would fall apart after that time ;) If you ask me, they used advanced high-tech superbombers, ;) which is still fine with me if you assume they did not have sufficiently developed rocket technology , though I am oblivious as to why they shouldn't. Also, , I'm not an expert on this one, but in the game, Maxson's diary said "they've let the A-bomb fly" so at first, I imagine he was referring to the nuclear misslies (or rocket propelled A-bombs if you like it better ;) )

And the deal with the bombers in the intro is IMHO simple - they weren't meant to depict the actual the machines used to bomb USA, they were just supposed to build up climate. Remember that Ron makes some historical references to past wars in the intro. I mean, on the game authors' side, it was easier to use photos instead of rendering some hyper-advanced air fleet , which could not contribute to the game's "feel" as good as the pictures actually used.
 
My take on the bomber subject is i imagine the type of bomber used would be like the B-36 Peacemaker hybrid jet and prop bomber used for a couple of years in the post war 40's and 50's till the B-52 was designed. The B-36 was an end of WW2 design that had the range to hit Asia from the US, add to that the jets added a couple of years later they had the range to hit just about anywhere if they went over the pole. And the B-36 hybrid has the "Fallouty" feel to me! :D


As for where the gunrunners and others may have gotten their high tech weapons, in Fallout they only mention a few bases, and in California there are a lot of military bases that have existed since WW2 so they would be there with the divergence. Bases such as Fort Ord, The Presidio, Fort Irwin, Camp Pendleton, MCAGCC 29 Palms, MCAS El Toro, and the Marine and Naval training centers in San Diego. And this is just a partial list, granted most would be nuked, but some would have not been touched or maybe neutron bombs were used if the Chinese thought they would win and wanted to use the terrain.


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
Yeah but we are talking about strictly the Fallout, so all we can use is fallout material. If you take speculation, then you would have a myriad of explanations.
 
No not speculation, explanation, the B-36 was made before the divergence, so the design is valid, also the bases were there too, just because they were not mentioned does not mean they do not exist. As they would have the high tech items on those bases. And the biggest form of trade would be between scavengers and the merchants who they trade with. The bases that exsisted but were not mentioned is not speculation. They would be there. :D


Cheers Thorgrimm
 
Silencer said:
Oh come on! These bombers would fall apart after that time ;) If you ask me, they used advanced high-tech superbombers, ;) which is still fine with me if you assume they did not have sufficiently developed rocket technology , though I am oblivious as to why they shouldn't. Also, , I'm not an expert on this one, but in the game, Maxson's diary said "they've let the A-bomb fly" so at first, I imagine he was referring to the nuclear misslies (or rocket propelled A-bombs if you like it better ;) )

And the deal with the bombers in the intro is IMHO simple - they weren't meant to depict the actual the machines used to bomb USA, they were just supposed to build up climate. Remember that Ron makes some historical references to past wars in the intro. I mean, on the game authors' side, it was easier to use photos instead of rendering some hyper-advanced air fleet , which could not contribute to the game's "feel" as good as the pictures actually used.
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What I *meant* was that they still used the same bomber models for all that time, not the exact same bombers. Your explination sounds a lot better though.
 
Thorgrimm said:
As for where the gunrunners and others may have gotten their high tech weapons, in Fallout they only mention a few bases, and in California there are a lot of military bases that have existed since WW2 so they would be there with the divergence. Bases such as Fort Ord, The Presidio, Fort Irwin, Camp Pendleton, MCAGCC 29 Palms, MCAS El Toro, and the Marine and Naval training centers in San Diego. And this is just a partial list, granted most would be nuked, but some would have not been touched or maybe neutron bombs were used if the Chinese thought they would win and wanted to use the terrain.
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My thoughts exactly, although you've done much more research into the subject. I mean, just becuse these locations don't in fact appear in the game, doesn't mean they don't exist. We have to remember that Fallout has an "expanded universe" , which means that more must be taken into account than the game actually covers. After all, you don't raid the Jackal raider base - you only deal with the Khans. And Tycho mentions nevada when first approached. Speculative as it may be, I thnk it is safe to assume that there were several location that could provide high-tech weaponry in considerable amounts.
 
You could come up with a whole bunch of reasons why raiders would be running around w/ hi-tech weaponry in Fallout 2. After all, the mutant armor was scattered throughout the desert- a gang could take them out one by one, or weight till their bulk killed them for not being suitable for desert survival. The Brotherhood was in decline, and maybe under bad leadership, so some of them might have started selling weapons secretly. Who knows what happened to the gun runners. Maybe they were ganged up upon by everyone else, or broke up to become raiders. Or maybe their cache of weapons was completely traded away over the years.

The problem was not how implausible it was- its just whether those kind of things belong in the world we want our RPG in. Maybe it should never have been 80 years later, like Star Wars should never have been shown 40 years earlier. (don't know the exact years)
 
@ Revolver, Umm... i was talking about the gunrunners in Fallout , where you can buy a plasma rifle, and how they and the other ones would have gotten hold of high tech weapons. I do not think my first post mentioned Fallout2. :? And if the stuff is there lying around to be picked up, you can guarantee sombody will pick it up and try to sell it.



Cheers Thorgrimm
 
@Thorgrimm
It's because I wasn't replying to you. I was commenting on part of the argument going on on the first 4 pages of this thread.
 
Thorgrimm said:
@Silencer, Not more research, just the benefits of a 16 year military career. :D
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Wow. So I imagine you're the one to speak to concerning the potential availability of military-grade equipment in Fallout. :)

One other think popped to my mind. Remember Maxson's log and his story about how they seceded from the Union? This could be what happened to the personnel of other bases as well. They could then trade weaponry to other communities of the Wasteland for various other commodities vital to survival. They could also be a bit less disciplined than the Brotherhood and even turn into raider bands themselves over time, using their high--tech weaponry and tactical skills to unleash terror upon the Wasteland...

Of course, some of the facilities you mentioned would have been bombed and destroyed, thereby making it impossible to retrieve any equipment from them, but not all. At the end off the day, isn't the objective of building such bases not to have them nuked in the first strike ? ;)
 
The Army and Air Force Bases would probably be counted on to eventually turn raider as their histories are full of mutinies and desertions. But the Marine Corps bases if they had not been nuked would have remained true to their mission of protecting the Constitution of the US. As the Marines are the only branch of the armed services which has never had a mutiny.

Yes if there had been a war going on they would have dug in like badgers, and it would have taken enhanced neutron weapons to dig them out.


Also, if i am wrong please correct me, in the beginning of Fallout doesn't the narrator say "that in 2 hours the world was turned into cinders."?

If that was the case it would have to have been missiles, And the US had the Atlas ICBM by the mid 50's.

Cheers Thorgrimm
 
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