Luck Fallout 4 SPECIAL video

Gamers?

Dignity?

Those are two words that don't belong anywhere near each other.

(And yes, I don't consider myself a gamer anymore than someone who reads the occasional book considers themselves a booker)
 
Yeah that's usually the case. There are plenty of people who recognize FONV as being a game that has superior story but I don't think they really understand the way storytelling and worldbuilding go together in that game. They have really no appreciation for the setting. In Fallout 3 that is honestly the laziest shit from BGS I've seen, yet they ignore that stuff and give praise for Fallout 3's exploration instead. Whilst the exploration can be fun in a very forced/railroady kinda way, it still feels like you're going from filler location to filler location. The locations are incredibly shallow in FO3 needless to say. Just Super Mutants, ghouls and terminals with wacky stories on them. I mean the ONLY thing I give BGS credit for, related to these locations, is their environmental storytelling. The visuals really help in that regard.

I don't know if these people think dogs or power armor is actually cool or actually interesting to them. Sometimes I think people are just so obsessed with Fallout they can't even play anything else and they NEED a new Fallout game. They admit that Fallout 3 might not be a good game to everyone and that FNV is superior but they don't care who makes it. It's Fallout. They waited so long for the FO4 countdown yet didn't even take time to think if it's actually gonna be a good game. New. Fallout. Reddit is full of this shit where it looks like for those people Fallout is the ONLY thing that exists for them. Whatever, reddit is reddit.
 
When your primary method of establishing identity is that you play lots of games, there is a very serious lack of identity there.

I play plenty of games, but I also read and write, go outside and run around and am generally a fairly well-rounded person.

To establish your entire self on a singular hobby and become so vociferously protective of it to exclude others and mindlessly consume whatever you're given is generally not something to have dignity in.

I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong or embarrassing about liking games.

It's this weird concept that there is some uniform culture that exists solely for games that gets on my nerves.

It's a marketing gimmick more than anything else.

"Play this game, buy this console or you're not a real gamer.

Fuck Nintendo, there's not enough killing, 420 dank memes are the height of comedy, etc."

It's like, holy shit.

When did it all go pear-shaped like this?
 
The concept of "gaming" as a uniform culture is something I personally hope dies off in the near future. There can be subcultures dedicated to a particular series, sure. But one would think that gaming as a whole has become mainstream enough that it's simply something that many people have as a hobby. Maybe even as their main hobby, but a hobby nonetheless. Very few are able to have their entire lives be about games, and those people either make games, or are content creators in some fashion. Even they still do other things with their time.

I imagine it's likely a result of a lot of young people being really into games is all. People who are still developing as... well people. The idea of latching onto something and making it your identity is a tempting one to a lot of them. I like to think that the young teenager I hear screaming racial obscenities into my ears during a match of Counter-Strike is simply still in the process of learning how to be an acceptable human being. I still mute them, but I hold onto the hope they will mature in a decade or so.
 
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raynor009 said:
Damn you guys are fast, the video was just released an hour ago.

I still cannot believe how much they gimped everything! Luck only affects the amount of crap you find in containers now? What the hell? What about criticals? Can you only score a critical now by just using VATS? I don't understand why would they make it that way? I can't remember how many times criticals saved my ass in Fallout 1 and 2. This is really stupid man, why the hell did they have to mess with the stats system again. Beth-shit-sda making RPG's for idiots since March, 2006.

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I read some feedback from FO4 Gamescom Gameplay video. A few people confirm that their were indeed critical hits outside of VATS. I never doubted this honestly.
 
Also, holy shit.

Has there been any hands-on previews of this game?

Two weeks out from release and the only info is the steady trickle of meaningless videos from Bethesda.

That's kind of scary as a consumer.

It's the reverse-hype gambit.

Just as bad as over-hyping.

Probably worse.
 
There have been zero hands-on previews. The only people who have played the game are Bethesda employees and the authors of the strategy guide.

Many of the consumers who have bought the game enjoy Bethesda's past games, including Fallout 3 and Skyrim, so they do trust Bethesda with Fallout 4 even if it blows as a Fallout game.

It's still bad in my opinion that they haven't allowed any hands-on previews. To me, it feels wrong to not have some impressions of how it plays, regardless of how the game turns out.
 
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This video knew Luck was a dumpt stat. It needed to resort to gore to keep any interest. So to recap we no longer have skills but now we have an Automatic Critical Hit button.... I may sound like a brokn record, but Pokemon has more hardcore RPG mechanics than the New Fallout, that's just sad...
 
Walpknut said:
This video knew Luck was a dumpt stat. It needed to resort to gore to keep any interest. So to recap we no longer have skills but now we have an Automatic Critical Hit button.... I may sound like a brokn record, but Pokemon has more hardcore RPG mechanics than the New Fallout, that's just sad...
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If you look at the the perk chart,their are still skills in the game.
 
generalissimofurioso said:
When your primary method of establishing identity is that you play lots of games, there is a very serious lack of identity there.

I play plenty of games, but I also read and write, go outside and run around and am generally a fairly well-rounded person.

To establish your entire self on a singular hobby and become so vociferously protective of it to exclude others and mindlessly consume whatever you're given is generally not something to have dignity in.

I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong or embarrassing about liking games.

It's this weird concept that there is some uniform culture that exists solely for games that gets on my nerves.

It's a marketing gimmick more than anything else.

"Play this game, buy this console or you're not a real gamer.

Fuck Nintendo, there's not enough killing, 420 dank memes are the height of comedy, etc."

It's like, holy shit.

When did it all go pear-shaped like this?
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Well I wouldn't say primary as i'm learning survival training, weapon training, computers, ect. I do more then gaming, hell lately I barely do that as I have a parrot to take care of among other things.
 
Removal of everything...is a good thing? Hey I guess having more options would be a bad thing too! They were so thoughtful to remove all skills so that Bethesda fans don't have to make decisions on what kind of build they want.
 
frajaq said:
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Thank you Todd, I know it was hard but it was necessary to make this game even better
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I seriously don't get it how anyone could look at this list and seriously think that it is a good thing. Dumbing down a game is now ... seen as progress? How is it progress to make an established series worse and removing everything that made it unique? Has the IQ of gamers really droped so much over the last 15 years? I have seen so many franchises totally ruined over time. X-Com, Commandos, Jagged Alliance, Resident Evil and Silent Hill, and probably more that I can't remember right now.

I have absolutely no problem with games that play and feel like Call of Duty or the Sims or what ever is extremly popular. Casual games are NOT a bad thing! I do love some of those. But turning Fallout in such a kind of game is seen as progress? For who? Not the kind of people that loved actually RPGs, the kind that was Planescape Torment or Fallout 1/2. Every game that Bethesda has made in the last decade is just a copy of the same old formula. They are a one trick pony. You can jump from Oblivion to Fallout 3 and from Skyrim to most probably Fallout 4 and the only real difference is the foilage and the NPC lines. The rest is pretty much the same formula.

What has happend with the diversity in gaming?
 
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