Muslim Poster Kills Himself While Online (?)

John Uskglass said:
Not my problem? I want to know if the kid is okay. I mean...Jesus...the kid killed himself after what sounds like an affair with his cousin.

You don't feel anything for this kid?
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Jubilation for saving someone else the effort and cost?

Really, if he did something that is punishable by death, then he did the apropos thing. Welcome to civilization concepts at least a few thousand years old. At least the fellow had some sort of a conscience and was willing to pay for what he did, versus the drunktank redneck trash that will just do it all over again without hesitation.
 
uziel said:
You know, I think I just realized the meaning of the phrase, "If you want to change the world, do it one person at a time."
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Kharn said:
...jesus H christ, Rosh, I thought I was being harsh.
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Yes! I think that is now twice I have gotten you to say that. :D

Morality is a funny thing. It seems to always come after the fact sometimes. Some people are willing to accept their mistakes, and do so. I really can't say "Poor them, they didn't have the ability to understand what they were doing", but this fellow was obviously not a case of mental retardation.

I would think that either fucking or beating one's own cousin, in a place where it might be punishable by death (particularly if they knew the consequences beforehand), is a case of suicide in itself. If they were looking for martyrdom, they did it in wholly the wrong way.

EDIT:
Upon reading things over a second time, I have a few points that makes me believe this is bullshit, or that he did the right thing.

Mouth Sugar says:
did your family find out?
saracenknight2003 says:
no..
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Then later, it turns into...

saracenknight2003 says:
Ive already hit Jayhan in the face, and kicked him ...
saracenknight2003 says:
once his parents know what I did, i will be back to jeddah
saracenknight2003 says:
but now my father is saying on the phone he will kill me
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Oh, so now his father knows and says he will kill him. Wait, I thought that his family didn't find out. Quite a contradiction. Or he was just an idiot in just now telling his father, or it's a sham in continuing the attention-grabbing.

saracenknight2003 says:
if I will be punished, then let it be like a man
Mouth Sugar says:
fuck punishment
Mouth Sugar says:
they're wrong
saracenknight2003 says:
No
saracenknight2003 says:
they are divine
saracenknight2003 says:
the Quran is divine
...
saracenknight2003 says:
its a sin, but Moses asked the people of Israel to redeem themselves by kil themselves...
saracenknight2003 says:
some did, the majority didnt
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Apparently, he just followed his beliefs.

The following is just...think about it.

Mouth Sugar says:
would Jayhan run too?
saracenknight2003 says:
he cant run
Mouth Sugar says:
why not?
saracenknight2003 says:
I beat him
Mouth Sugar says:
bandage it up
Mouth Sugar says:
fix him
Mouth Sugar says:
how bad is it?
Mouth Sugar says:
both of you can run
Mouth Sugar says:
since you're both in danger
saracenknight2003 says:
he can not run
Mouth Sugar says:
yes he can
Mouth Sugar says:
why can't he?
saracenknight2003 says:
think what u wish
saracenknight2003 says:
hes very hurt...
Mouth Sugar says:
how bad?
saracenknight2003 says:
hes deserves it for being the impudent whore he is
saracenknight2003 says:
I love him very much as a brother, but he deserved punishment
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Sounds like he should have taken the pills before he left Jayhan unable to walk.

I have no sympathy for that kind of trash. Perhaps I spoke too soon in elevating him above abusive rednecks. Just a different hemisphere, different dirt pile, same stupidity. The only good thing is that he did have a conscience and was willing to pay for his deeds.
 
Well Kharn your right. Also for coming out of Russia talking about your personal sincerity towards them then acting like this Im quite surprised...

Well CCR I have quite a bit to say. Under most circumstances I think people are trying too garner attention in an attempt to feel better or act lame. HOWEVER when you consider the nature of the act this boy committed...

...CCR dont respond 'til you read this in its entirety.

I think he did commit suicide. Is that bad? Well I dont think anyone should try to alter anyone else's opinion so understand that this is what I say and I think you should form your own conclusion. If he was indeed in the situation described I think its best if he decides his own fate. Remember suicide is self-killing and hence murder. However then doesnt any act that leads to your death if you choose to do it a form of suicide? That would make a person who died rescuing a kitten from a burning building a perpetrator of suicide. Since I find this appalling I like to think that the circumstances you die under can be intrepreted differently. Were they going to punish him with death for his crime? Probably. If he was going to die to avoid the shame thats bad. Yet if he was doing it to punish himself or as Roshambo suggested to stop himself from doing it again then...well...

I feel he did the right thing. Its his life and his decisions that will lead to his soul's judgement. Here's what I want you to read CCR. You obviously tried beyond any means I could have to save him. Your links and knowledge of the situation are extremely commendable and surprise even me. Realise that you perhaps gave him the best consolation he got before he committed his final act. If he didnt by the way...I would bet you had a hand in it.

Special thanks to Roshambo for that concept.

On a bizzarely rated note my Uncle was a person who the entire family resented for being an egotistical jackass. Then one day at work he gets a phone call from someone who wants to commit suicide. The person just starts spouting off and he sits and listens. So when he calls the authority's to get the person he's hailed as a hero at his workplace. :wink:

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
CCR, because you are closer to this person than we are, you are more likely to be fooled, if indeed he is playing people for such a lark. I'm not really inclined to believe he committed suicide, it definitely seems like the less likely reality behind the situation.

If you are really concerned, go outside and take a walk. Spend some time with your pet, if you have one. Or pretty much anything else. What I don't recommend is that you continue to brood over the matter while on the internet.

Vault Dweller, what exactly was the point behind bringing up that story?
 
I really don't want to seem THAT harsh about it, but given what he said he did to Jayhan, then he was indeed a danger to others at that time. In fact, he still laid spite at Jayhan and said that Jayhan deserved it. The only thing that doesn't make me cheer that he is dead was the fact that he (claimed to, at least) got bandages for Jayhan. From the sounds of it, he did quite a number on him, and that's just sick if not done in self-defense.

There is a point where you can't help someone if they can't help themselves. I'm a pragmatist; even though I hate being so, sometimes. The fellow was offered several venues and he constantly shot everything down. He honestly felt guilt about what he did and seemed to honestly hold his beliefs close. The concept of honor is one held around the world, and I cannot fault someone for doing this if they did hold their beliefs that strongly. After all, depending upon beliefs, they have then just again condemned themselves - putting the punishment of eternity upon themselves; or honorably removed thesmevles without the further harm to others.

That is the only part of this where I have any shred of respect for the fellow. He fucked up, and perhaps the uncle won't know about what happened if his father was indeed told and in turn keeps HIS mouth shut, and Jayhan can return to a somewhat normal life if possible. Yes, this shit hurts now, but think about how fucked up it would have been if he had lived and the situation was indeed that serious. There could be two cooling bodies instead of just one dead and the other rendered immobile. If both were there, their guilt would have been out in the open. If one is dead by his own hands and the other crippled, then perhaps they will take mercy upon the crippled one for having suffered the crimes of the other. I am also led to believe that he may have been able to take up clergy work and possibly live a better life than he could have otherwise.

Would anyone have heard anything about what happened to the suicide suspect if his family found out and indeed killed him? By telling someone of his crimes, at least he was honest about what he did, and preserved the truth for those who did seem to care about him. To be blunt, it was perhaps the best he could have done at that point.

IF this fellow is dead, I could honestly care less other than to nod at his sense of honor and respect that in turn. I will put my care towards those who could use it - those on the mortal plane at this time, because that is the only thing that anything can be done about. What about Jayhan? I see a lot of sympathy going to what is presumably cooling jackal food, but little mention for the survivor who probably will get a whole load of shit their way now.

Reading suicide chat logs is like watching snuff films, only most of the time on the internet they are from goths and repeat themselves weekly. This has been a remarkable change from the norm, I'd say.
 
compassion for self-killers? I can't see the logic, why should i feel for somebody who WANTED TO DIE, and finally DID KILL HIMSELF because nobody else did.He got what he wanted, why should we feel bad?

People who kill themselves are either weak or stupid, since i noticed the word 'intelligent' implying to the brownie i would assume he was one of the weak minded.Suicide is not the answer for anything.You just eliminate another person from this huge globe, rather stay and take what ever the world gives you.Of course it is every person's own choice.That's my perspective.
 
I believe this topic should be locked only when we find out what happened, if we find out that is.
 
I'm not spamming it up. That statement sums up my feelings on this subject very well. Someone died. Or maybe they didn't.

If they killed themselves, then its just one more body. I've seen a lot of bodies and I can't say I'm impressed with this particular one from what I've heard. Why would people get overly upset about this? Lots of people die everyday.

Everyone eventually leaves behind a corpse that smells bad and contains nothing of the person they once were. However I have a great deal of other dead to mourn before I will feel compelled to give some sort of emotional attachment to some random person, let alone one who killed themselves for crimes they willingly committed.
 
I can understand this from a personal view Lauren, and I can understand the logic of Rosh and Kharn on this.

Maybe this is all a big joke, or maybe it's all real.

Assume it's a joke and some sick bastard has played a nasty game with John in which they played with his feelings and compassion. Sorry John, but I have to agree with much of what has been posted above and think you're being played with by someone hungry for attention.

Nothing gets attention these days like death or violence.

Assume it's real. Ok, based on your judgements this guy either has it coming or doesnt' deserve our compassion. That's your choice in this- to feel compassionate or not.

That said, honestly, I read through the post and didnt' pay it much heed, and reading Rosh's posts, I dont' feel much for this guy. It's tragic for him. Perhaps as Lauren suggests, I have more personal relationships whose lose is worth mourning.

But honestly, this habit of people to kill themselves or to do acts of destruction is just bizarre and sad. Suicide just pisses me off because to me it's a waste of life. Same think if a person commits an act of destruction on another in some kind of nihilistic rush, it's a waste of life. This is a waste of life and that, in of itself, is sad.

John, you're more involved in this than the others. Sad reality is that people will die and you will, in someway, be a witness. The more you see it, the easier it is to turn off the emotions. The more personal it is, the harder it becomes.

So I sympathize for you. The others won't be as sympathetic to this peson because they aren't connected to it. Honestly, get away from the computer, go for a walk, play with a pet, get out and do something else.

People make crappy choices that often lead to their own destruction. It's tragic, but it happens every day, thousands of times.
 
Roshambo said:
Yes! I think that is now twice I have gotten you to say that. :D
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Damn you, man! One day...one day! *shakes fist*

Lauren said:
Oh no someone died!
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Marry me, woman!

TVD said:
Well Kharn your right. Also for coming out of Russia talking about your personal sincerity towards them then acting like this Im quite surprised...
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Really? Why? Compassion and a moral compass aren't currency. You can't barter one for the other. "I saved a kitten so I can steal this loaf of bread." No you can't. Morality is in my mind always measured at a by-the-moment stance first, a life-long perspective is a secondary case.

In that vein, I would say I am simply saying that I refuse to be a hypocrit. I did not care about death #1,000,000 in Congo, I will not care about this. Maybe in an objective sense, I would care, but do I personally feel anything about it? No, it doesn't affect me.

For comparison, I remember hearing about Beslan. Peacefully the days had passed in Kitezh, though amusingly we had missed the first day of school and had started on the second. Not prone for panic , the situation still tensed and we watched army trucks pass by with worried eyes (in Russia, there are always army trucks passing by wherever you are). Personal involvement, 'ey? Hence I can understand John's reaction, though I consider it far from advisable.

Meh, everything's been said.

ckv said:
Moderators I suggest locking this topic!
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Suggestion noted and discounted. We do not lock topics just because people don't agree with each other or because the topic subject is pretty harsh. Everyone has a right to an opinion and nobody is crossing any lines here.

Also, your name is an abbreviation in Dutch for the school subject called "Cultural Art Schooling", or sumfin'
 
Complex

This topic is very complex, very.... i can see both sides of the story but im still not sure if i can beleive something that seems so far fetched (from what i've read) if its true let us hope that he will be ok.... if it is a joke then he is very sick and needs psychiatric help...
 
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