My Landscape Idea

Richoid said:
Erm yes i did its not about the erosion, thats completly irrlevent anyway, the erosion is only why there are silt deposits it is not the firm of it.
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This:
"As rain falls on the mountains they are broken down and go into the sea leaving silt deposits, thus the greater the global warming the more the rain and the more the silt deposits."
Is not an explanation of what erosion of rocks has to do with silt deposits. Erosion of rocks (oh, sorry mountains, ie. huge rocks) has nothing to do with silt deposits causing the coastline to move miles into the ocean. It's saying 'It does!!!111111'


Yes there is fallout across the globe however there is more radiation in areas where nuclear strikes dismayed, like the glow...
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And we all know all radiation and mutation in the Fallout universe depended on the Glow.

Richoid said:
This is all nothing to do with the toopic at hand, i have explained clearly why Islands are the only viable location and you have started talking about random things of no consequence.
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Eh, what?
Okay, you're the one who tried to call islands relevant by saying that the rest of the locations are not available due to flooding. I've completely and utterly buried that and offered, as a mocking satire, the Netherlands as a decent place (which is at the same time a counter-example to your statement that everything is flooded). And you say 'not enough radiation', I explain why that is bullshit, and then you say that I started talking about random things of no consequence?
You've got a really, really weird vision of reality there, pal.
 
Sander said:
the NCR has been founded somewhere in Twente.
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Is that a good thing, or a bad thing for Enschede?

Sander said:
the Netherlands (Holland is a province)
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I thought North and South Holland are the provinces and that Holland is just another name for our little, not flooded, but apparently soon to be nuked to death country...

And Richoid, you're saying the erosion is not relevant but it is the reason why there are silt deposits and therefore California goes blub and we should all go to Hawaii?

If you're not gonna smoke that joint, you'd better pass it to me...
 
Morpoggel said:
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing for Enschede?
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Ehehehe. Depends. Enschede then did start out as Shady Sands...

Morpoggel said:
I thought North and South Holland are the provinces and that Holland is just another name for our little, not flooded, but apparently soon to be nuked to death country...

And Richoid, you're saying the erosion is not relevant but it is the reason why there are silt deposits and therefore California goes blub and we should all go to Hawaii?

If you're not gonna smoke that joint, you'd better pass it to me...
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Sometime way, way back Holland was a province in itself. Although having to explain that Holland is actually South and North Holland put together, and that those are two provinces is usually just too much trouble for me. ;)
 
Sander said:
Ehehehe. Depends. Enschede then did start out as Shady Sands...
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Sweet, that means Tandi is somewhere in my town... :P

And Ian... :shock: Could someone from the US like... send me a gun... or fax it...

Sander said:
Sometime way, way back Holland was a province in itself. Although having to explain that Holland is actually South and North Holland put together, and that those are two provinces is usually just too much trouble for me. ;)
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Ah, thanks for the history lesson...

Anyhoo, to sorta get back on topic... it would be cool to play a game that is based on Waterworld... but then they shouldn't put Fallout in the title... maybe call it "Waterworld: A Post-Global Warming Adventure"...
 
Sander said:
Eh, what?
Okay, you're the one who tried to call islands relevant by saying that the rest of the locations are not available due to flooding. I've completely and utterly buried that and offered, as a mocking satire, the Netherlands as a decent place (which is at the same time a counter-example to your statement that everything is flooded). And you say 'not enough radiation', I explain why that is bullshit, and then you say that I started talking about random things of no consequence?
You've got a really, really weird vision of reality there, pal.
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I think it's funny that somehow islands would still be around when there is noticeable continental flooding. So the whole island-hopping experience would be limited solely to the tips of some volcanic isle summits.

Exciting.
 
Yes that is what i was saying, archepeligoes of small island based communities would make a perfect setting, it has the same atmosphere as fallout while in a diffrents setting and there are numerous plot petitions.
 
To be perfectly honest your idea of islands suck. I've been holding off saying it because everyone has a right to their opinion but compared to everything else it just doesn't work.

You say mountains don't make for good game play, neither would tiny volcanic tips. Similar amount of culturable land and even hard to trade from place to place. In the mountains you use Brahmin but who is going to be a decent ship wright after 165 years. You're not even considering the huge storms and typhoons that cause wide spread havoc on such islands.

An example. Take Easter Island. That was HUGE compared to your tiny little volcano tops but, when the islanders expanded and used up all the trees to make their gaint heads, no more trees, no more boats, no more food, Dead Islanders. To be truthful, there is no way you can support anything more than a very basic comunity on even a large pacific island, let alone a tiny one or even a string of them. There just isn't the resources.

Full stop.

And no rising sea levels

And it has nothing to do with the FO setting. Can you imagine a load of Jamacan/Hawaiian style tribals having anything to do with the Vault dweller? No, and they ain't gonna be playing steel drums for him either.

Plot twists. Oooooh, underneath the giant volcano (with the appropriate skull carved into it) is the master's lair (returned from the dead) who has a secret space rocket to blast off to B.O.M.B. 001
 
It is time to change the landscape. No more talk of green house gas , nuke warming climate, rising water and islands containg Dr. Moreau. Fallout happens in the wastes of Nevada and California(or Canada).
 
It has been discussed before in a couple of threads that even though we consider global warming a likely scenario, in the Fallout universe it was completly unheard of and doesn't merit a look in. Search for them Richoid if you are in any doubt but NMA has spoken on this issue and trust me, there is no arguing with it. :roll:
 
Well you have to remember that i did not actually bring global warming up, it was bought up to say that my idea was impossible as the islands would disapear, so if NMA says the islands wont disappear because it was wrong time period (which starfury questions and i tend
to agree due to the obvious flood defences in SF) then my idea is completley valid and the islands are the only valid location as i have been saying all along.
 
Richoid said:
Well you have to remember that i did not actually bring global warming up, it was bought up to say that my idea was impossible as the islands would disapear, so if NMA says the islands wont disappear because it was wrong time period (which starfury questions and i tend
to agree due to the obvious flood defences in SF) then my idea is completley valid and the islands are the only valid location as i have been saying all along.
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You didn't bring it up? As I've said before: stop lying.
Let's quote that post shall we:
Richoid said:
Well if you think about it, the only place that it is logical to set it is the Pacific ocean, no?

Lets look at possible locations:-

1) West Coast
Cannot be set here as the last two were set here, story lines are exhausted within reason.

2) East Coat
This is a vague possibility, however it seems likely that most of the built up east coast would have sunk after global warming, plus there is not much interesting here anyway and no reason why the story line would travel such.

3) Central/South America
Had nothing directly to do with the fallout hence it cannot be set here.

4) Antarctica
Well no one live here plus it would have melted.

5) Africa
As there is no developed civilisation here there is nothing to condense to wasteland.

6) Europe
Most of Europe would be under water, most of Europe was previously destroyed in the middle east- EU conflict prior to the fallout.

7) Asia
Western culture simply would not accept a game set in Asia, plus Asia would mostly be under water.

So the only viable option is the Pacific ocean, plus think of all the potential.
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Gee, and you didn't bring up Global Warming? Nice little bullshit spin there, and a really dumb one at that.
You first used Global Warming to excuse any useful location not your islands and as such 'prove' that the islands are the only viable place. Once we completely disproved that theory, you now turn a full 180 degrees and say that *we* started using global warming to *disprove* your theory of the islands being the only valid place.
So no, the islands aren't the only valid location 'as you've been saying all along'.

And the 'obvious flood defences in SF' are still non-existant, since they just aren't on any map! Now, start basing your future arguments on facts and solid reasonsing, and not on bullshit wordspin or you'll not be long on this forum.
 
Richoid said:
Yes that is what i was saying, archepeligoes of small island based communities would make a perfect setting, it has the same atmosphere as fallout while in a diffrents setting and there are numerous plot petitions.
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No...there wouldn't be anyone living on the tops of volcanic isles, genious. Well, not for long. It is one thing to be living down around sea level, where there is some greenery and other important factors for sustaining life, another when that is flooded. The peaks of volcanic isles are also far smaller than the surrounding base floral level.

So if most of the world is going to be under water, what makes you think that ISLANDS are going to be inhabitable, or that there would be remotely any access to any unflooded underground vault? There isn't any point to such a location because anything man-made would be unexplorable and destroyed from being flooded for that long.
 
What? i never siad naything about a vault Roshambo although that would be a good idea, but the vault would be on the volcaneo so it makes no diffrence. The fact that all the island dwellers are doomed could be the story line, it could be the players job to save them!

And if you still not accept the fact about global warming then normal, non flooded islands are still a viable location...
 
Rosh said:
So if most of the world is going to be under water, what makes you think that ISLANDS are going to be inhabitable
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ISLANSD R TEH FLOAT LOLOLOLOLOL!
 
Richoid said:
What? i never siad naything about a vault Roshambo although that would be a good idea,
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Well, there must be SOME reason for people to waste their time writing along your idiocy other than "I want islands! I slands would be kewl! Islands are only possible because, like, everywhere else would be under water."

but the vault would be on the volcaneo so it makes no diffrence.
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Huh? Are you fucking retarded? First, volcanoes have that problem of not being entirely dormant, in particular Hawaii. Second, building on a volcano, in particular a vault (which is by nature underground if you still didn't know), is so fucking stupid, I'm not surprised you said it.

The fact that all the island dwellers are doomed could be the story line, it could be the players job to save them!
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Moron, Fallout is set 80 years after the Great War. Fallout 2 is 160 years after the Great War. If there were any effects of global warming due to the nukes, they would have been felt before "OMG suddenly everywhere is being fllooded!." at a potential 200 years after the Great War.

To put it simply enough for you - Global Warming = A Global Rise in Sea Level = NO ISLANDS.

And if you still not accept the fact about global warming then normal, non flooded islands are still a viable location...
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Only as a single location, as they have little else to do with the ruined 50's science fiction style Americana that Fallout has at its core setting. It isn't a wasteland when you're hopping around tropical islands. Which we've now pointed out again for your benefit, so my guess is that you'll dredge up global warming again as some reason why you're right and that islands float like icebergs.

Given the dark ironies of Fallout and the setting, an oil rig is far more of an ironic and fitting location than a tropical island. So, until you can come up with better than the brain trust of BIS for the oil rig (though I suspect that the location was left over from when the real storywriters left their foundation for Fo2), or even try for similar, don't go for material that would make Chuck and Bethesda blush with envy. Yeah, I'm talking about that F:POS magazine promo with the typical scantily clad female casually leaning against something in the tropics, which is everything everyone thinks about when they think of "post-apocalyptic wasteland".
 
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