My Landscape Idea

[Ratty Sr.]

Yes, thats my point tropical does=desolate.

Idiot. "a != b" stands for "a does not equal b".

Though now I'm beginning to understand why you didn't get my joke about "float".

Fiji or Vanuatu would both make far better locations than Hawaii

Why?

Yes but Hawaii is to large as it would be just a single community and after the Enclave going up in a mushroom cloud i doubt you could get to Hawaii with the tanker.

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Why?

Yes but as Fallout 2 proved, tribals fit the scene very well.

No, they don't. Tribals are widely regarded as one of the worst elements of Fallout 2, because they don't exactly fit into the Fallout setting at all.

 

[Roshambo]

Whats happened to my avatar? Why is it some random person in black and white and why does it say Gilligan? And why can i not chnage it?

That "random person in black and white" is Gilligan, and your ignorance of said element really gives us extra background of how much of a fucking clueless retard you are. Yet you try to tell us what does or doesn't fit into the setting, when we have the words of the designers themselves.

Tropical != desolate. We've only been trying to beat this through your skull about as many times as we had to for your lies about global warming.

Yes, thats my point tropical does=desolate.

Aside from your laughable ignorance regarding expressions, tropical != a wasteland. Which is the entire point of the setting, as Fallout had "Remember Wasteland?" on the inside flap.

Hawaii is perhaps the best example of any island beingg of use to the storyline, and still doesn't quite fit.

Fiji or Vanuatu would both make far better locations than Hawaii

Care to explain, or are we supposed to believe this assumption as well? Have you even bothered to try understanding what the "American" in Americana stands for?

Really, if you're not going to try to educate yourself and instead post this stupid shit, the next time I simply won't just give you a new avatar, you will be sent back to whatever cesspit of ignorance spawned your ignorant belief that you can post stupid shit and anyone would be happy, smiling, and coddle your idiocy.

Yes but as Fallout 2 proved, tribals fit the scene very well.

No, it didn't, and you're still a moron.

 

[Hotel California]

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Ignoring totally whether or not they can exist - Complex comunities on modern islands aren't self sufficient. Therefore you can only have basic tribals. This doesn't seem to make much of a FO game to me. AND seeing as you've said they'd be "devestated" i fail to see how they could support anything. (however, consider that FO3 will probably be set a good 200+ years after the bombs so stuff regrows)


Thats the point, on large islands it would demonstrate how badly hit they have been, they have to adapt and be self sufficant before they die, your main game quest could be to help them.

How they hell does that equate - bomb hits, resources ruined, people need to adapt 200 years later. Why in the name of the Holy Bomb would this happen 200 years later? Or are you advocating FO3 being set just after the bombs, thus negotating all other FO story lines and making it into just another PA game. Surely FO3 should be set in the West or even at least in America!

No everyones disagreed that it can be used as the basis of the game, many have said tehy like the idea of an island hence there is intrest tehy just havnt realise taht you cannot have the best of both worlds, if you want islands then you must have only islands.

NOONE ever said islands would be good for the basis of a game. I heard a few "they'd be a great SINGLE location or something" but no-one has advocated what you've said. This whole idea is just barmy. Tribals suck! A tribal culture like that takes generations to develop. Noone forgets the whole cultural heritance of America, the bombs and the 20th Century just like that. Or is this like the shitty Village movie where its just a load of elders making it up. You can't be that obviously stupid to reailse there is a whole struggling civilisation out there that has guns, beer and damn technology (abiet poor)! And don't just say they'd have that on islands. They'd be pretty much in touch with the world of the 50s by then (being military bases in WW2 mainly) and for goodness sake: what on earth you are you going to do?. What makes you think that you, the Vault Dweller (as if, just another jet junkie) can do anything better with thier resources than they can. Where do you come from; the lone survivor of a shipwreck? A simple tribal like them? HOW do you fit in with FO lore? Do you advocate there being a vault on one of them? And why would that be. I could come up with some possible reasons but i'd love you to make one.

And i totally agree with Requiem on the Random encounter thing. WTF do you think will happen.

You encounter a bad storm. Your boat was hit for 20 points, sunk and you drowned

Sea monsters or pirates, lone merchant ships, Jack Sparrow ... need we say more?[/quote]

 

[Ghoullove]

Richoid has not responded to any furhter inquiry into this diatribe for quite sometime. I think the Holy Bomb was delievered on to him for he is silent.

 

[Hotel California]

its only been one day,

Maybe he is choosing not to, or maybe he just hasn't checked.

Still, for a rather silly idea, this thread has recieved over 100 replies - around the same as the big discussions - location, enemy, etc. It certainly has been a laugh!

 

[Ghoullove]

It has caused quite the controversy, a lot of talk on the enviroment as well . Well it's time to watch Beneath the Planet of the Apes and get my Heston fix and pray to the almighty Holy Bomb.

 

[Richoid]

Yes, i did not respond sooner as i only had time to visit briefly yesterday...

Idiot. "a != b" stands for "a does not equal b".

Ok i did not know that i have not seen the internet for long. But in their own way, islands are desolate, especially after a Fallout.

Why?

Because they are nearer China and we have seen nothing of the chinese yet, wouldn't it be great to know how they fair?

No, they don't. Tribals are widely regarded as one of the worst elements of Fallout 2, because they don't exactly fit into the Fallout setting at all.

But they do, what would Fallout 2 have been without Arroyo? Nothing.

Care to explain, or are we supposed to believe this assumption as well? Have you even bothered to try understanding what the "American" in Americana stands for?

So you are saying it has to be set in the USA?

And i totally agree with Requiem on the Random encounter thing. WTF do you think will happen.

Yes sea monsters, tribal warriors and pirates would all work.

 

[Wooz]

Sea monsters in Fallout is probably the worst idea I've ever heard.

 

[Richoid]

Sea monsters in Fallout is probably the worst idea I've ever heard.

Well, the concept was in Fallout 1 with that giant monster you could here about from a guy and his boy fishing on the coast, and in Fallout 2 there are loads of references.

 

[Ratty Sr.]

But they do, what would Fallout 2 have been without Arroyo?

A better game?

Sea monsters in Fallout is probably the worst idea I've ever heard.

Sea monsters are a fairly frequent element of '50s sci-fi, no?

 

[RPGenius]

What time period were John Wyndam books?
Just the sea creatures mention made me think about the Kracken.

 

[RPGenius]

What time period were John Wydam's books.
There could be a great Kracken reference.

 

[Wooz]

Sea monsters are a fairly frequent element of '50s sci-fi, no?

So?

Lots of Hawkmen and Lizardmen in Flash Gordon and such, and they'd still be out of place in the Fallout setting.

Well, the concept was in Fallout 1 with that giant monster you could here about from a guy and his boy fishing on the coast, and in Fallout 2 there are loads of references.

Funny, I recall neither that particular line from the fisherman, nor any references whatsoever in Fallout 2.

For your information, not all that is in Fallout 2 is 'canon' for the setting. New Reno and talking deathclaws are two examples of things that don't fit.

 

[Richoid]

Yeah i have to agree slightly about New Reno, it was far to modern, but i liked the deathclaws they seemed to fit the setting very well.

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Deathclaws do, talking deathclaws don't.

 

[uziel]

Fallout 2 without Arroyo...Hmm...You would probably have an ALTERNATE to Arroyo. Such as a formal town. The Vault Dweller starting a Tribal village doesn't really fit as most Vault Dwellers were very, very prejudiced people (Then again the Vault Dweller was a goody-two-shoes.)

 

[Richoid]

Well i think after his adventures and all he became a bit more open minded about others?

 

[uziel]

I have considered that, but having been all around it all of his life, it's unlikely he would have encouraged something like that to happen, unless it all just kind of...Happened. People start to follow him and they settle where Arroyo was, and they became Tribals based on the Vault Dweller's stories.

However, after twenty someodd years of being brainwashed by Vaul-Tec, that's still not likely. I still think it's unlikely that Tribals would form in this universe. People would try too hard to bring about a sense of normality in the world, not go back to a shamanistic society like that, except for maybe fanaticals.

 

[RPGenius]

Sorry about double post, computer sucks, wasn't sure it had posted, because it hasn't posted before. So, apologies.

 

[Roshambo]

Ok i did not know that i have not seen the internet for long.

No, it means you suck ass at math as well to figure that funny ! thingie in front of a = should mean that it equates.

But in their own way, islands are desolate, especially after a Fallout.

Spoken like a CHILD that hasn't seen anything of pre-industrial islands. They are not desolate, they would turn a bit more primitive and lose some of the population as the mainland infrastructure can no longer support it. This thinning would have happened long before Fallout took place, as it would be an immediate concern right after the Great War. Otherwise, there's nothing desolate or wasteland-like about them to rationalize them as the entire basis for a setting.

Islands do not have the desolate, wasteland theme (since I have to use more than one word since the mention of one word alone escapes your ability to think of the setting). If you have actually BEEN to a typical tropical island, and see how little actual technology is involved with "tribal" life, and it.

And if you think an island will be nuked, you're mistaken, unless it was a location of military importance. Anyone who knows anything about the flora and fauna of tropical isles knows that a nuclear blast will only clear the island or a part of it for so long - in a matter of a decade all vegetation should be restoring to healthy amounts if it's a partial burn, easily within the time from the Great War to Fallout if the whole island was scorched.

Because they are nearer China and we have seen nothing of the chinese yet, wouldn't it be great to know how they fair?

Fare.

Americana still not registering with you? Too bad you didn't really play Fallout.

But they do, what would Fallout 2 have been without Arroyo? Nothing.

Wrong, a far better game. A settled village from the Vault Dewller would have made more sense, as going to a tribal state of life does nothing but allow them to be raped when someone like the Enclave comes along. About the only reason why I can see tribals being used is to drop technology down a notch at the beginning, but it didn't work too well in practice.

So you are saying it has to be set in the USA?

If you couldn't already figure that you, yes.

Yes sea monsters, tribal warriors and pirates would all work.

Lay off the Jet, kid.