NCR vs Legion Opinion

Doomsdayprepper said:
For the NCR to even consider assaulting Legion territory, they would have to have won in the Mojave, which means they would have had the courier on their side.
When the courier enters the divide, he would choose to fire the nukes at Arizona due to his loyalty to NCR.
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I was NCR on most of my playthroughs and I've never once nuked Arizona.
 
I was NCR on most of my playthroughs and I've never once nuked Arizona.
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It's just your comment that the Courier would of absolutely nuked Arizona is a false equivalence
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I guess you are right, however it is the most likely outcome.

Anyway the NCR could invade and occupy Legion territory, but it would be a cast iron bitch.
However once Caesar and Lanius are dead the Legion will swiftly collapse into infighting factions, making it easier for the NCR to destroy them. Divide and conquer.
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
For the NCR to even consider assaulting Legion territory, they would have to have won in the Mojave, which means they would have had the courier on their side.
When the courier enters the divide, he would choose to fire the nukes at Arizona due to his loyalty to NCR.
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Who even said that they won? Aren't we looking at a Legion victory?
 
Doomsdayprepper said:
I guess you are right, however it is the most likely outcome.

Anyway the NCR could invade and occupy Legion territory, but it would be a cast iron bitch.
However once Caesar and Lanius are dead the Legion will swiftly collapse into infighting factions, making it easier for the NCR to destroy them. Divide and conquer.
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Why is it the most likely outcome? The Courier is decided by the player, it's just as likely the Courier wouldn't of nuked them.
 
I would say Vegas still has the Mr House anti-nuke system in place. Even if it is deactivated I don't think it would be too hard to activate it again.
So nukes wouldn't work against Vegas and nearby territory.
 
Why is it the most likely outcome? The Courier is decided by the player, it's just as likely the Courier wouldn't of nuked them.
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I meant that the most likely outcome for an NCR loyal courier is that he nukes the Legion.

Also just go back and read my posts and you'll understand why NCR would wanna nuke the Legion
Remember we were discussing a legion victory.
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Aren't we looking at a Legion victory?
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No, we aren't.
What we are discussing is an NCR victory in the Mojave, then them considering an invasion of Legion territory, and deciding to nuke them to save money, resources and manpower.
I would say Vegas still has the Mr House anti-nuke system in place. Even if it is deactivated I don't think it would be too hard to activate it again.
So nukes wouldn't work against Vegas and nearby territory.
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Your correct, but that's not what were talking about.
 
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I've always deactivated the nukes. Nuking civilians and slaves is not something I would even consider doing. Even when I'm role playing it just seems wrong (although I've never RPed as a Legion frumentarius or anything)
 
Actually, Risewild is referring to the other post saying how using the nukes would be bad for Vegas.
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He needs to include quotes then because his statement is out of sync with what everyone else is saying.
 
From what you see in the game, both the Legion and the NCR have almost equal chances to beat each other on the battlefield.
However, I think the game does not show us enough information and content to say if one force could totally defeat and conquer the other. But I am leaning to the opinion, that the longer a fight would go, the more would it tip in favour of the NCR. I just don't see the Legion as an army that could effectively fight a war of attrition.
 
SpecialHands said:
I think Tom has a good point about a war of attrition, although I do not think it'll be enough to stop the legion it'd certainly put them in a very uncomfortable place.

Although equally, maybe more so, the NCR cannot take many hits to their supply lines or they'll lose more troops than they can afford. They rely heavily on logistics, ammunition, food rations etc. Legion are, as Dr Fallout said, skilled in bushcraft and procuring necessities on the move and in enemy territory.
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Which never made that much sense to me. Fallout being such a desolate and dangerous setting, foraging for supply is fine for an individual or small groups, but for an army as massive as the one the Legion fields? I feel it also strains belief. An organized supply chain seems absolutely essential to any army in post-apocalyptic america, especially in the desertic regions where NCR and the Legion are likely to fight. What are you going to feed all those thousands of soldiers with, cactus apples? And that's assuming your guys with machetes don't run into Cazadores or Deathclaws and get torn to pieces.
 
Ilosar said:
Which never made that much sense to me. Fallout being such a desolate and dangerous setting, foraging for supply is fine for an individual or small groups, but for an army as massive as the one the Legion fields? I feel it also strains belief. An organized supply chain seems absolutely essential to any army in post-apocalyptic america, especially in the desertic regions where NCR and the Legion are likely to fight. What are you going to feed all those thousands of soldiers with, cactus apples? And that's assuming your guys with machetes don't run into Cazadores or Deathclaws and get torn to pieces.
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That's only applicable in the Mojave, and even then the Legion seems apt at raiding towns, caravans and other areas where they can get supplies so it is plausible. While an army can't sustain itself in the Mojave on foraging alone, it's easy to imagine that happening in the fertile and populated lands of the NCR.
 
Didn't Napoleon send the Grand Armee into enemy territory without supply lines, hoping that they'd just forage and live off of that? Of course, that could be a myth, but still if it's been done before I don't see why Caesar couldn't do it.
 
Izak said:
Didn't Napoleon send the Grand Armee into enemy territory without supply lines, hoping that they'd just forage and live off of that? Of course, that could be a myth, but still if it's been done before I don't see why Caesar couldn't do it.
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I don't think so, and that probably failed. But the thing is, Napoleon's army isn't like the Legion. All legionaries are at top physical condition, they're trained and encouraged to scavenge from the dead and they're all tribals meaning that they know how to survive.
 
Napoleon's army were advancing across the bread basket of the Russian Empire though. The Legion would be advancing across a desert. It doesn't matter how good a survivalist you are, if you keep pumping troops into the Mojave at some point there isn't going to be enough geckos to hunt or banana yucca to forage. You need supply lines. I think the fact that legionaries often carry fresh fruit and maize points to strong supply lines and agriculture back east. Can you recall seeing fresh apples growing wild in the Mojave, for instance?
 
peadar87 said:
Napoleon's army were advancing across the bread basket of the Russian Empire though. The Legion would be advancing across a desert. It doesn't matter how good a survivalist you are, if you keep pumping troops into the Mojave at some point there isn't going to be enough geckos to hunt or banana yucca to forage. You need supply lines. I think the fact that legionaries often carry fresh fruit and maize points to strong supply lines and agriculture back east. Can you recall seeing fresh apples growing wild in the Mojave, for instance?
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So? Only in the Mojave, past that there's the fertile lands of the NCR. Also keep in mind that they can raid settlements, farms and caravan routes. But otherwise, good points.
 
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