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Sabirah said:
All the sudden Canada is looking like a potentially nice country to live in...America is a dying dog - morally - economically - socially.
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TorontoReign
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As much as America is guilty of these things many other countries are doing the same thing. It isn't like Europe is doing a great job in comparison. You can't even drive through London without a thousand cameras watching your every move. If I could I would move to Canada though. They don't get as involved in everyone's business like the US.
Sabirah said:
Why? The US is pretty much the shittiest first-world country on Earth right now.
Edit: Also, I'm begging my fellow Americans in this thread to vote for Ron Paul. I don't agree with him on several things, but he's the only candidate that actually might stop shit like this.
Anyone who votes for Obama at this point is a fucktard.
Moe Canibo
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Sub-Human said:
Depends. Your statement may be true if you compare it to Sudan. Compared with most of the other modern democratic countries it's one the most coservative-reactionary ones. If you compare it to some of the most democratic countries in the world then it's as if you compared Tories to FSLN.
While we're at american polidicks, WTF is wrong with your whole political scene? You don't have a single semi-normalesque candidate. If the best choice you can make is Ron Paul then
fuck, it, good luck guys.
Well, considering the late rallies in Russia (finally), I'm considering I could come back there. Russians are really creative people, I think one day people will want to visit us like people wanted to visit the US some years back.
All we need is a good government. I mean come on, we have so much oil and gas, by this time every Russian citizen is supposed to have a house made from gold and platinum, but now it all goes to those corrupt bureacrat bastards.
All we need is a good government. I mean come on, we have so much oil and gas, by this time every Russian citizen is supposed to have a house made from gold and platinum, but now it all goes to those corrupt bureacrat bastards.
Courier said:
Because American citizens tend to shy away from being elitist jerks because they happen to live on another peice of land than somebody else.
That and the whole horrific racism and oppression of Muslims going on in Europe pretty much guarantees I'd never move there.
Thats where your issues startSub-Human said:
Russia was never a democracy to begin with. Not in my eyes.
Moe Canibo
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Sabirah said:
What? USA is one of the most elitist and isolationist countries in the world. No one tries to look on others from such a high horse as USA.
Muslim discrimination is worse in Europe then in USA?
Have you ever been to like Germany or any other european country for that matter? The most liberal and tolerant countries in the world are the european ones and the most liberal laws in the world are the european ones. Not to mention some of the european countries ARE muslim.
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Sub-Human said:
No, I'd relate it to an empire. Hands everywhere, wild and corrupt.
Moe Canibo said:
Depends on where you are. Here in New York we are chill to every race and religion. My sister lives down in Virginia and they are really cool there too. There's always that one guy who is a nationalist, but it's nothing compared to some Canadians for example who seem to think that by virtue of living next to America gives them privilege to be snooty about it. It's so hypocritical to read them go on and on about how "Canada is so cool guys. We have better health care, are so tolerant, are not American, and are not American. Plus we are really humble too! I don't dislike Canadians but I hate that attitude that they and a lot of other nations share that they can just blame all of society's ills on one country.
Moe Canibo said:
Muslim discrimination is worse in Europe then in USA?
Go out in public in London wearing a headscarf and see if you say the same thing. There are Anti burqa laws, and the banning of ziggarats, and tons of other just random acts of intolerance. Europe is at a crossroads ethnically right now. They can be nice and fuse together with their immigrant population, or they can continue and treat them like second class citizens and then act shocked when they fight back like any cornered animal.
Moe Canibo
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Sabirah said:
And in USA? I imagine that could get you killed in Alabama or some other Bible belt state.
Outlawing burqa is completely justified and rational. Letting someone to enter let's say a bank wearing one would be absolutely ridicilous and batshit crazy.
Europe is really much more tolerant towards the immigrants (muslims included) then USA is, and when i say much more, i mean MUCH more. You just need to google a bit to see just a fraction of what kind of effort EU does with various multiculti organizations, programs, etc. and what kind of gargantuan quantities of money go for the purposes such as nurturing immigrant's culture, religion, traditions, etc.
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I'm in the Bible belt, and that is bullshit. We hate all people equally.
Not to sound offensive, Sabirah, but I usually follow a fairly simple rule in my life 'If I don't like it, I leave'. Essentially I live in a country with people where the majority seems to be a bit... slow on understanding things. But of course, I don't voice it because then I can go back to Russia, enter the military, and do some other dictator shit.
After all, if you're in a European culture, you should try to be European too. You can follow your own religion sure, but just practice it at home in a Muslim environment, with Muslim friends etc.
Then again, not trying to sound offensive or anything.
After all, if you're in a European culture, you should try to be European too. You can follow your own religion sure, but just practice it at home in a Muslim environment, with Muslim friends etc.
Then again, not trying to sound offensive or anything.
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Sabirah said:
Anti-burqa laws? I'm sorry but where are you getting this information from? We don't have anti-burqa laws, and since I live in England, I think I would know a lot more than you. Yes there is racism in the UK and Europe, but it isn't 'oppression' like you say it is. Please making untrue statements about other parts of the world.
There are anti-burqa laws in France and Belgium. You are not allowed to fully conceal your face in public there.
In Germany you are not allowed to wear one if you work for the public (in two states or so).
Nobody gives a crap about headscarves anywhere, though.
In Germany you are not allowed to wear one if you work for the public (in two states or so).
Nobody gives a crap about headscarves anywhere, though.
White Knight
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Hassknecht said:
I was only talking about the UK. I have heard about those though. Still, I don't think its 'oppression', just unfair.
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Hassknecht said:
This is true, not that this law is intended as a tool to "oppress" Muslims. Arab women were often pressured into concealing themselves by their family/ husband thereby severely limiting their freedom and chances on the job market etc.
It's also forbidden to wear Catholic and Jewish symbols when working in the public sector.
We don't oppress anyone, we have mosques, churches, synagogues, shrines for Thor, kids are allowed to pick "their" religion of choice in schools, etc.
edit: I was talking about the situation in Belgium.
Sabirah said:
This is so wrong I can't even find a point to begin with. For starters, you should maybe read about Europe and realize that Great Britain is not representative of the entire Europe nor is it the only country in it.
Furthermore, you are obviously heavily prejudiced towards Europe, which is surprising, considering you don't even live here. Most muslims in Europe have integrated into society well and have no problems with conforming to existing laws and regulations (which aren't all that demanding). Yet you take the word of most vocal minorities as indicative of the state of affairs in Europe. Why is that?
White Knight said:
It's a matter of security. A burqa is very effective camouflage; you can pass as a woman in it and store anything you want underneath. And it does happen.
On a personal note, I find burqas highly demeaning and fuck ugly. Got nothing against normal religious headwear, though (and some of it looks quite nice).
And really, not wearing a full body potato sack is not a great concession to make. Really.