NDAA

[Hassknecht]

There is a song by a german songmaker that explains it perfectly.
They want total freedom. For them, at least. No goverment messing with their business, no pesky laws stopping them from doing absolutely anything to become richer.
And total freedom for the working class, too.
No responsibility but your own (which to the rich folks means that they don't have to pay money to the lesser people), having (in theory) the chance to do everything if you just set your mind to it.

So they somehow managed to twist a liberal far left philosophy to serve their conservativism and power hunger. That's just great. Choke on your caviar turds.

EDIT: Link me the song if you can find it please.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-4n9yxZ_s[/youtube]

 

[Token-not-found]

I really want to move to India right now. his is making me very nervous


TO bad they're hospitals are overstaffed so I wouldn't get a job there

A "fairweather citizen" ?

That's a good one.

 

[Yamu]

I think "a citizen of a fair-weather constitutional democracy" might be more precise.

 

[Crni Vuk]

So they somehow managed to twist a liberal far left philosophy to serve their conservativism and power hunger. That's just great. Choke on your caviar turds.

EDIT: Link me the song if you can find it please.

Its quite interesting to see how the many companies in the US try to "explain" the citizens how regulations on said companies by the government is taking away the freedom of the citizens. And they also sell those laws as communism/socialism.

I am curious when will the people over there wake up ?

 

[Sabirah]

I really want to move to India right now. his is making me very nervous


TO bad they're hospitals are overstaffed so I wouldn't get a job there

A "fairweather citizen" ?

That's a good one.

Blame will McIntosh and his book Soft Apocalypse. Now I'm deathly afraid of any type of societal collapse

 

[Courier]

Thx Courier. One more thing please. From what i've read the Ron Paul guy and his faction are supposed to be libertarians (anarchists) but they are right wing rich religious capitalists. WTF? Please explain me that, i can't wrap my head around that one. :I

There is a song by a german songmaker that explains it perfectly.
They want total freedom. For them, at least. No goverment messing with their business, no pesky laws stopping them from doing absolutely anything to become richer.
And total freedom for the working class, too.
No responsibility but your own (which to the rich folks means that they don't have to pay money to the lesser people), having (in theory) the chance to do everything if you just set your mind to it.

Not true, most Ron Paul supporters are liberal college-aged kids.

The best comparison I've heard is that Ron Paul supporters/Libertarians are to the 2000's what hippies were to the 60's. They're just sort of the modern version of hippies.

 

[Token-not-found]

Thx Courier. One more thing please. From what i've read the Ron Paul guy and his faction are supposed to be libertarians (anarchists) but they are right wing rich religious capitalists. WTF? Please explain me that, i can't wrap my head around that one. :I

There is a song by a german songmaker that explains it perfectly.
They want total freedom. For them, at least. No goverment messing with their business, no pesky laws stopping them from doing absolutely anything to become richer.
And total freedom for the working class, too.
No responsibility but your own (which to the rich folks means that they don't have to pay money to the lesser people), having (in theory) the chance to do everything if you just set your mind to it.

Not true, most Ron Paul supporters are liberal college-aged kids.

The best comparison I've heard is that Ron Paul supporters/Libertarians are to the 2000's what hippies were to the 60's. They're just sort of the modern version of hippies.

That's like the opposite description of paulfans , except the college part.

 

[Courier]

That's like the opposite description of paulfans , except the college part.

- Young college kids
- Want to legalize all drugs
- Want to end all the wars
- Want to stop big corrupt government

Sound familiar?


It's just a cleaner and less sexually focused version of the hippie movement in the 60's.

 

[Moe Canibo]

Americans, i suggest you vote for this guy, seems like a cool fella.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x9cn0M_AFWg[/youtube]

 

[Alphadrop]

- Want to stop all government.

Fixed, it's one of the main differences between liberals and libertarians.

 

[thegaresexperience]

If I had more idealism in me I'd be an anarchist, but as it stands I have none.

Which is why something like this doesn't surprise me, the fact that it took so long is the real surprise. Ever since I was old enough to actually read and understand the PATRIOT act, it seems like something like the NDAA was ALWAYS possible.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Again, my sister lives down in a rather rural area. When I go down there the only ones who are mean it seems are the dollar store clerks. (who are always mean for some reason, no matter what the city it's uncanny)

What is "rather rural"? City population of 50,000? 20,000? 5,000? 500?

Ones that I doubt will pass because of the first amendment.

That's not how US law works, the law can be passed and can/will be enforced until someone takes the government to court over it. Private schools can hire other people over those in burqas claiming other reasons.

young men (or men in general ) rarely see the reasonable way of doing things.

Pot, say hello to Kettle.

I think if it ever came down to it the vast majority of Americans will completely sacrifice their freedom for security, even though they don't necessarily understand the implications behind that choice.

They are will to sacrafice freedom which they don't feel effects them for the illusion of security.

Obama just has too much going against him. After all the shit he's done you'd be stupid to vote for him again.

Mitt Romney is a better option?

BTW, what is the difference between the republicans and the democrats? I know the democrats are supposed to be left but here where i live they would be considered far right, wich makes me scared to even ask what the republicans who are actually supposed to be far right represent.

The political scale of left and right is centered to the right of the actual scale so many Democrats, especially viable presidential candidates, are pretty close to center. Depending on what district in what state you live in, the scale tends to move. I'd suggest reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

Not true, most Ron Paul supporters are liberal college-aged kids.

The best comparison I've heard is that Ron Paul supporters/Libertarians are to the 2000's what hippies were to the 60's. They're just sort of the modern version of hippies.

For a lot of reasons, no. For starters, "hippies" weren't as unified of a group as you make them out to be as there were socialist/communist/"liberal" hippies and libertarian hippies. It's somewhat like discussing the civil rights movement and ignoring the difference between the Black Panthers and MLK's movement.

 

[Courier]

Mitt Romney is a better option?

Ron Paul is a better option.

Mitt Romney is ≤ Barack Obama. I'd still vote Romney over Obama though if that's what it came down to, simply on principle. Romney's just as crooked as Obama, but at least he doesn't have a creepily loyal fanbase that defends him despite the evidence (for whatever reason).

Paul is the best candidate running though (who actually has a chance of winning at least).

 

[TorontoReign]

Mitt Romney is a better option?

Ron Paul is a better option.

Mitt Romney is ≤ Barack Obama. I'd still vote Romney over Obama though if that's what it came down to, simply on principle. Romney's just as crooked as Obama, but at least he doesn't have a creepily loyal fanbase that defends him despite the evidence (for whatever reason).

Paul is the best candidate running though (who actually has a chance of winning at least).

This. Ron Paul isn't perfect, but he beats the alternative.

 

[Sabirah]

None of the candidates are good this year IMO. I just hope it doesn't make the country worse.

 

[TorontoReign]

None of the candidates are good this year IMO. I just hope it doesn't make the country worse.

I think we are fucked no matter who wins.

 

[Ben]

None of the candidates are good this year IMO. I just hope it doesn't make the country worse.

I think we are fucked no matter who wins.

Unless Steven Colbert gets that nomination

 

[TorontoReign]

None of the candidates are good this year IMO. I just hope it doesn't make the country worse.

I think we are fucked no matter who wins.

Unless Steven Colbert gets that nomination

Yeah. That's change we can believe in.

 

[Courier]

There's always Vermin Supreme:

Free ponies and mandatory oral hygiene for everyone!

 

[Hoxie]

None of the candidates are good this year IMO. I just hope it doesn't make the country worse.

I think we are fucked no matter who wins.

Honestly, since Rick Perry's pretty much done from his own stupid campaign videos and so on, most people see Bachmann is just trying to ape Palin and get her kind of voters, Santorum's just one big joke, I'm at least decently hopeful for someone with at least one iota of decency making it in. They were pretty much the ones where it would honestly be "I'm leaving this country now." levels of hate if they somehow won. Though as much as Obama has/hasn't done, I don't regret him making it in over bag 'o' bones and Palin, I can still say that with all certainty, even if that's all he might have going for him nowadays.