Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Of course you have a problem, you spent money on the Matrix.
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Akratus
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I don't see what the problem is.
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
As long as you didn't buy any other Matrix shit besides the first film, you're okay.
Akratus
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I gave you rads. But. There's this:
Want it. Need it. Bought it.
Want it. Need it. Bought it.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Animatrix is the only good Matrix thing, except the cgi short, that one was crap.
Akratus
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I agree that the Matrix is overrated, but bad? ComeOnNow.gif
Walpknut
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In my opinion it is pretty bad, and extremely pretentious while spouting rather safe messages.
Akratus
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I think you may just have a problem with people pretending it contains some kind of deep philosophy. Like the people that hate inception because of blockheads who say it is so deep.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Maybe, grew up surrounded by people that thought it was super deep, so I developed a deep dislike to it. But to me it still is a pretty safe Sci-fi story, doesn't go into the interesting things that the setting offers and feels more like a very wish fullfillment animu than anything else.
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Having something against people who tend towards pretentiousness and spouting "it's so deep" does NOT mean something they praise isn't deep. Inception WAS a deeper film than most of its contemporaries, and it was compared to The Matrix with good reason for some of its better qualities. Hipsters being hipsters and running their mouths about how the movie was "so deep" that "you just don't understand" was them being douchebags, not the movie being shallow. That being said, it wasn't so deep and complex that you could write some kind of Nobel Prize winning thesis on the themes of the film. It was discussion worthy, but not Steinbeck or Fitzgerald.
The Matrix too was a very deep film. The problem was that the first film was subtle in its themes whereas the films that came afterward (Animatrix included) were obnoxiously heavy-handed in how they shoved their messages down the viewer's throat. Ooh, what does it mean to be self-aware? Does that make them human? Is killing that murdering robot the same as murder? Ooh, is choice really real or is it something that can be quantified? So does that mean there's no such thing as free will? Ooh, Christian iconography! Etc, etc. The first film gave you its mind-fuckery quandaries and let them rot on you from within in a very clever way. It made you question your own reality. It made you consider morality and choice and consequence and all kinds of thought provocations. Everything else LITERALLY told you what it wanted you to think about AND told you the answer. There was nothing philosophical nor deep about them, NOT because they had nothing to consider, but because they quashed all opportunity for discussion by having the discussion with themselves in the film, leaving no room for the audience to contemplate on their own. Using the above example, it would be like Inception POINTING OUT that it was all really a dream, ending any chance for discourse on the meaning of the film. The Matrix works were shallow because they didn't allow themselves to be inviting towards their audience to delve any deeper than the surface. If they had maintained the same subtlety as the first film, they could have been great... that, and not retconned the shit out of their own canon. XD
The Matrix too was a very deep film. The problem was that the first film was subtle in its themes whereas the films that came afterward (Animatrix included) were obnoxiously heavy-handed in how they shoved their messages down the viewer's throat. Ooh, what does it mean to be self-aware? Does that make them human? Is killing that murdering robot the same as murder? Ooh, is choice really real or is it something that can be quantified? So does that mean there's no such thing as free will? Ooh, Christian iconography! Etc, etc. The first film gave you its mind-fuckery quandaries and let them rot on you from within in a very clever way. It made you question your own reality. It made you consider morality and choice and consequence and all kinds of thought provocations. Everything else LITERALLY told you what it wanted you to think about AND told you the answer. There was nothing philosophical nor deep about them, NOT because they had nothing to consider, but because they quashed all opportunity for discussion by having the discussion with themselves in the film, leaving no room for the audience to contemplate on their own. Using the above example, it would be like Inception POINTING OUT that it was all really a dream, ending any chance for discourse on the meaning of the film. The Matrix works were shallow because they didn't allow themselves to be inviting towards their audience to delve any deeper than the surface. If they had maintained the same subtlety as the first film, they could have been great... that, and not retconned the shit out of their own canon. XD
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TorontoReign
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Basically there should have only been one Matrix movie.
Akratus
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Like Highlander, there can be only one!
I don't think there's any discussion to be had on the idea of whether Inception was all a dream or not. Here's my reasons:
1. If it was all a dream he doesn't really get back to his kids, so the movie loses it's meaning and pay-off. Not just that, but none of the events in the movie really happened at all, and the only real person in it was Cobb. How is this better than a face-value interpretation?
2. The only thing the filmmakers themselves put into the film that hints at the interpretation of it all being a dream is the ending. And we all know that was merely a technique to bait online discussion and word of mouth and shove in some ambiguity at the end.
I would also not call the animatrix that shallow. More shallow than it could have been, but definitely not on the same level as the sequels. But it is true, and I already felt, that the second renaissance is very straightforward, a mere morality tale on treating robots right because obviously humans would never put any value in (near-)sentient beings they created. But segments like Program, Final Flight of the Osiris, Kid's Story, World Record, Beyond, A Detective Story, and Matriculated are pretty straightforward too. But they were never meant to be that kind of story. Maybe Matriculated raises a question or two, though, but I never much cared for it.
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"What the king dreams, the hand builds."
Sorry for the shitty pic.
I don't think there's any discussion to be had on the idea of whether Inception was all a dream or not. Here's my reasons:
1. If it was all a dream he doesn't really get back to his kids, so the movie loses it's meaning and pay-off. Not just that, but none of the events in the movie really happened at all, and the only real person in it was Cobb. How is this better than a face-value interpretation?
2. The only thing the filmmakers themselves put into the film that hints at the interpretation of it all being a dream is the ending. And we all know that was merely a technique to bait online discussion and word of mouth and shove in some ambiguity at the end.
I would also not call the animatrix that shallow. More shallow than it could have been, but definitely not on the same level as the sequels. But it is true, and I already felt, that the second renaissance is very straightforward, a mere morality tale on treating robots right because obviously humans would never put any value in (near-)sentient beings they created. But segments like Program, Final Flight of the Osiris, Kid's Story, World Record, Beyond, A Detective Story, and Matriculated are pretty straightforward too. But they were never meant to be that kind of story. Maybe Matriculated raises a question or two, though, but I never much cared for it.
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"What the king dreams, the hand builds."
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SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Basically yes.
Yet I hear the Wachowski siblings get VERY defensive about the entirety of the Matrix series if it's ever criticized, because they apparently believed in them and felt that they were masterpieces. <_<
Akratus
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Holy shit holy shit! I may just have placed an order on EA number 5022366813945. Which google tells me is a 2008 pre-2.0 collector's edition GitS steelbook. Gotta wait and see, but holy shit! The DVD was ass.
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Edit 4: I spent another 140 bucks somebody stop me
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Received Grand Budapest Hotel, Aliens and Thunderbirds series on bluray.
Edit 7: I'll do another video going through my stuff if anyone is interested. Added, I have no idea. . 20? blurays. Probably more.
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