New Fallout 3 Screenshots
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FeelTheRads
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The conclusion is simple. It doesn't matter whether it's Bethesda or not. It matters whether the company in charge is doing a good job at creating a true sequel - or at the very least trying to - or not.
In this case it just happened to be Bethesda.
Admittedly, pretty much no one here likes their games (boring, unimaginative, mainstream - you know the drill) and probably a company with a better record would have been met with a somewhat nicer attitude, but this is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is they don't care about creating a true sequel and they lie like cunts about it. And any company doing that would've have been treated the same as Bethesda is treated now.
In this case it just happened to be Bethesda.
Admittedly, pretty much no one here likes their games (boring, unimaginative, mainstream - you know the drill) and probably a company with a better record would have been met with a somewhat nicer attitude, but this is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is they don't care about creating a true sequel and they lie like cunts about it. And any company doing that would've have been treated the same as Bethesda is treated now.
Sorrow said:
My personal experiance with designing games, levels and modifications has little if nothing to do with the subject.
Edit:
Yes it is the latest evolution, by deffinition its the most up to date release of the game.
Perhaps you missed the idea of an evolution? A game doesnt have to have the exact same mechanics and core gameplay to be 'the next step'.
Look at the Command and Conquer serise. Renegade was a FPS from an RTS, it was nothing like the RTS in a lot of ways and no doubt some of the original fans of the RTS didnt enjoy it, but it brought a lot of new fans and fresh blood to the serise.
If you have no intention of playing the game why are you even posting in this thread? If you dont want to play the game why open, read and post in a thread which is titled "New screen shots".
Just because you dont like the look of the game you think you will throw nasty names around and let everyone know that you dont like the very idea of it, like a child?
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
It's not evolution, but degenerationTycell said:
.Because *gasp* it's a Fallout fansite? One doesn't need to want to play a game to critically evaluate the direction it is taking.Tycell said:
Tycell said:
I hate talking in analogies, but I'll follow this one a bit.
What if this hipothetical CD has crap quality and was invented by marketing specialists only because it's cheaper to make? What if they can develop something faar better, but they do not want - it'd be more expensive?
Do you still call this evolution?!? Or maybe deevolution caused by the market and its law...
(I'm not saying that CD is crap quality, although I heard such voices - only 16bit depth, etc...)
Hey, btw:
MP3 is currently being more and more popular over CDs...
Evolution...fuck yeah.
Mord_Sith
Mildly Dipped
However CDs have never been a true successor to the vinyl record, nor were cassettes, hence why nobody collects either of them.
The world doesn't move on, it repeats the steps it knows to the same dance it's done for several millennia now, however what those steps are tend to be independent based on the person dancing to the tune.
Look at entertainment for a bloody good example, what's Hollywood making in movies these days hmm, re-makes and dull comedies save a sparkling piece of inspiration here and there.
The people are different, the direction is different, but it's the same movie.
What Beth is doing is it is forcing Fallout to dance to it's tune rather than adapting their dance to Fallout's tune, hence it will inevitably fail in capturing the essence of Fallout and only appeal to the one celled wonder known as the X-Brick 12 year old.
The world doesn't move on, it repeats the steps it knows to the same dance it's done for several millennia now, however what those steps are tend to be independent based on the person dancing to the tune.
Look at entertainment for a bloody good example, what's Hollywood making in movies these days hmm, re-makes and dull comedies save a sparkling piece of inspiration here and there.
The people are different, the direction is different, but it's the same movie.
What Beth is doing is it is forcing Fallout to dance to it's tune rather than adapting their dance to Fallout's tune, hence it will inevitably fail in capturing the essence of Fallout and only appeal to the one celled wonder known as the X-Brick 12 year old.
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
It's quite possible that Fallout 3 will be forgotten pretty soon.
scypior said:Tycell said:The point is;
In 10 years time, which games will be played more?
Fallout 1 & 2 or Fallout 3? ( Fallout 4?)
It's not the point.
Not of the entire thread, no. But its the point about CD's and cassettes and all that jazz. Damn this thread is off topic.
Mord_Sith
Mildly Dipped
1 & 2,
There's no staying power in Oblivion or it's subsidiaries, there are modders for Oblivious and whatnot but I can't see the fan base lasting longer than 5 years post initial purchase.
At least nothing compared to Fallout's longevity, it's already got it's 10 year stripes and still played strongly by those that enjoy the game.
There's no staying power in Oblivion or it's subsidiaries, there are modders for Oblivious and whatnot but I can't see the fan base lasting longer than 5 years post initial purchase.
At least nothing compared to Fallout's longevity, it's already got it's 10 year stripes and still played strongly by those that enjoy the game.
Sebastian of the Wastes said:
Not really. You're comparing apples and pears.
Cassettes to CDs was a change of the medium that carried the music, not the music itself. I can buy the same music on CD as I could buy on cassette. It's just the carrier is different.
If you want to draw a musical analogy, your whinge-binge mocking would be better put at "why would any one buy jazz music anymore? It's old!" Yes, it is, but people still listen to it, because they still consider it superior to pop. And jazz compositions are still being made, the North Sea Jazz Festival is a widely visited event. Guess those people are just fools, don't realise times have changed, and that you must submit to tyranny of what is popular now.
Tycell said:
Is that a joke? Fallout 1 and 2 have a longevity that is pretty much unmatched. "Major hits" don't see much playing time unless there's no "upgraded" version to replace them. Aside from Blizzard, no one produces games that get replayed like the Fallouts.
And how is that the point, anyway?
Tycell said:
I think you missed the idea of evolution. Evolution is a movement in series by anything to slowly evolve from one stage to the next. It's not making a completely different type of game and then slapping the Fallout 3 tag on it. This isn't evolution, it's revolution. And indeed, a game does not have to have the same mechanics, but it does have to have the same core gameplay, because that's what constitutes a franchise.
And yes, there are game series this has worked for, but generally these game series work in spin-offs and constant change (FF) or retain the core "idea" in the sequels even when the mechanics are wildly different (Grand Theft Auto, Metroid). But Bethesda is dropping the core "idea" of the Fallout series, that means its incomparable to those successful jumps around.
ivpiter said:
Of course they had them, they're printed in PSW magazine. CVG just thought the exclusive right to use it in the magazine extended to using it online, which is a bit silly but an honest mistake.
TheSHEEEP
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Brother None said:
A great modifiability and functioning, more-or-less-easy to use modding/SDK kits also help a lot when it comes to the longevity of a game.
And Fallout 1 + 2 didn't even have those, which makes their longevity even more impressive.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
C'mon dude, look at your avatar. Do you think anyone will listen to you?Sebastian of the Wastes said:
Also, who the hell said that?
Also, why the strawman?
Also, why do you lie?
Azrael-Arkangel
Still Mildly Glowing
Morbus said:
Is funny that in his sig says.
"Sebastian of the Wastes
FMF Public Relations Director
http://www.fanmadefallout.com/"
And if you check the site says:
FAN MADE FALLOUT - THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE
"Also, given how Fallout 3 is going to turn out, it's safe to say we're not too worried about the competition from Bethesda."
Why are you working on a FO mod? Move on to the future, wait 'till FO3 and create a mod of it.
Sebastian of the Wastes
It Wandered In From the Wastes
EDIT ... and so the personal attacks begin.
Jeez, some of you guys ....
The Fallout world we know and love (FO 1 and 2) is gone, relegated to our memories and replaying of two great games in a time when the industy was more heavily PC based and not as commercially mass market as it is today.
In the end (in an attempt to get this thread back on track), when I look at those screenshots I see a game that will be a completely different experience then it's predecessors. I'm curious how it will all play out in the end and I wonder if it will still have that same Fallout feel when it's moving and telling me a story. The super mutants look pretty cookie cutter and less like they did in Fallout 1/2. But then, all the super mutants looked the same in FO1 and 2 as well...
Exploding cars? Eh, I've know about this for a while ... I would think that any nuke fuel cells would have been harvested by survivors long ago and the chance to have a car explode just by shooting it (at this point) would be rare. We'll see how it feels once gameplay starts.
I'll miss turn-based play (which is why I still play X-Com) but I'm willing to give it a try. In the end, it was the RPG system in place and the story the game told that was most interesting to me, personally, with FO1 and 2. Until I'm actually PLAYING the game, it's really rather unfair of me to call it total shit.
When it comes out, I'll play it. If I like, I'll say so... if I hate it, I'll say so. Until then ...
Jeez, some of you guys ....
The Fallout world we know and love (FO 1 and 2) is gone, relegated to our memories and replaying of two great games in a time when the industy was more heavily PC based and not as commercially mass market as it is today.
In the end (in an attempt to get this thread back on track), when I look at those screenshots I see a game that will be a completely different experience then it's predecessors. I'm curious how it will all play out in the end and I wonder if it will still have that same Fallout feel when it's moving and telling me a story. The super mutants look pretty cookie cutter and less like they did in Fallout 1/2. But then, all the super mutants looked the same in FO1 and 2 as well...
Exploding cars? Eh, I've know about this for a while ... I would think that any nuke fuel cells would have been harvested by survivors long ago and the chance to have a car explode just by shooting it (at this point) would be rare. We'll see how it feels once gameplay starts.
I'll miss turn-based play (which is why I still play X-Com) but I'm willing to give it a try. In the end, it was the RPG system in place and the story the game told that was most interesting to me, personally, with FO1 and 2. Until I'm actually PLAYING the game, it's really rather unfair of me to call it total shit.
When it comes out, I'll play it. If I like, I'll say so... if I hate it, I'll say so. Until then ...
Sebastian of the Wastes said:
That's not a word.
Sebastian of the Wastes said:
Odd, they weren't gone a few years back, when BIS was working on Van Buren.
What, you're saying it's somehow impossible to make these kind of games anymore? That seems like an odd thing to say.
Sebastian of the Wastes said:
Until then you'll be telling other people they're "rabbid" because they don't agree with your personal views?
That makes sense.
Also, are you really FMF's public relations director? Your attitude towards the very people FMF is meant to service is a bit odd, if you are.