[New York Times, 8 minutes ago] WAR!

[Bal-Sagoth]

I keep forgetting, you are the person who started the thread about how the USSR did not lose the Afghan war, that should tell all we need to know about your logic.


The North Korea infrastructure is a wreck, starvation and human rights abuse run rampant. The NK military is severely under trained and under equipped with a consistent fear of defection from the better trained personal such as pilots. And the "better trained" part means next to nothing compared to Western standards. You can go read up on the North Korean Air Force sitation, it is a pretty hilarious situation.
They are so far behind the curb on tactics and technology compared to the West it is embarrassing to even have this conversation. Forget the notion of a ground invasion, do you have any idea how easily that country could be crippled from the Air and Sea? NK has virtually no way to defend against it, It's Navy and Airforce would be obliterated in days by even a fraction of our own.

 

[Sander]

The DPRK was provoked, you guys did read the articles, right?

Wait, you actually believe the North Korean propaganda? Yes, both sides have their propaganda, but excuse me for believing the South Korean one over the North Korean one.

At the very most South Korea was performing military training nearby. That's hardly a valid excuse to start lobbing grenades at people, now is it?

The DPRK has been in "total war" mode since the 1950s. The army is well fed, even if the peasants aren't.

That doesn't mean they can actually sustain a war for a prolonged period. A war in which the food supplies courtesy of other nations would stop. Tough to keep that up.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

The DPRK is going to slap the RoK's shit. The US doesn't stand a chance, because by the time they bring out a decent military force,

Bring out? It never left S. Korea or Japan.

I couldn't imagine how badly an amphibious landing on the peninsula would go.

Ummm, never heard of Inchon then have you? How'd that one work out?

 

[Thomas de Aynesworth]

The DPRK is going to slap the RoK's shit. The US doesn't stand a chance, because by the time they bring out a decent military force,

Bring out? It never left S. Korea or Japan.

You mean the paltry US force in the peninsula? 28,000 or so Americans?

I couldn't imagine how badly an amphibious landing on the peninsula would go.

Ummm, never heard of Inchon then have you? How'd that one work out?

Comparing a 1950s invasion to a modern one? Anything is possible I guess.

I keep forgetting, you are the person who started the thread about how the USSR did not lose the Afghan war, that should tell all we need to know about your logic.

I said that the USSR's defeat was political, and the Soviet Armed Forces was never defeated in Afghanistan.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I couldn't imagine how badly an amphibious landing on the peninsula would go.

Ummm, never heard of Inchon then have you? How'd that one work out?

Comparing a 1950s invasion to a modern one? Anything is possible I guess.

Dude, it still is 1950 in N. Korea. They probably even regressed further backwards.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

Since I am not going to hold my breath that you are willing to read up on exactly why the North Korean military is in complete shambles compared to Western standards I will give you something a bit more simple.

United States: http://www.globalfirepower.com/coun...etail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

South Korea: http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=South-Korea

Japan: http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Japan

North Korea: http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=North-Korea


Take into consideration as well that NK would stand alone in open conflict, aid and support would be effectively cut to the country. I honestly just want to know at this point if you are trolling or just delusional.

North Korea cheerleaders are rare, even among the anti-West American bashing crowd.

 

[Alphadrop]

You need to factor in every other U.N countries military as well.

 

[Guiltyofbeingtrite]

The state of the military means nothing, insurgency means everything. Even if the US would invade, how the hell would they expect to keep it?

Nothing will happen.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

You need to factor in every other U.N countries military as well.

Seemed a bit redundant at this point, but you are right. I think most rational people here know that NK would not stand a chance in open warfare with the United States.

The state of the military means nothing, insurgency means everything. Even if the US would invade, how the hell would they expect to keep it?

Nothing will happen.

The state of the military means everything. Who said anything about keeping it? If the goal was to put an end to military aggression from NK (and in all likelihood destroy any chance for them having nuclear ambitions in the future, kill two birds with one stone and all that) it could be achieved quite easily with the resources at hand.

An insurgency is not going to pester South Korea or shoot missiles over Japan when the country's infrastructure and military have been reduced to rubble by Western military superiority.

But yes, chances are this will blow over. They have not crossed the line enough as of yet to warrant a military response from the West.

 

[Threepwood]

North Korea has destoryed a South Korean warship, and now it launches artillerey strikes into South Korean territory.

South Korea returned fire, but never mobilised it's fighter jets. The more South Korea shows it's weakness, or any sign that it dosen't want to escelate hostility, N Korea seizes the oppurtunity and attacks.

South Korea should not tolerate such attacks, they should have returned fire with everything they had, if N Korea dared invade en mass, the UN and the West would crush N Korea near immediatley.

The US needs to start acting like the leading super power, put pressure on these bastards, limit thier supplies, anything?

 

[Hoxie]

and westernized hipsters will be hanging from lamp posts.

Fuck off cheering on killing innocent people you twat.

It'll be funny to see Kim talk big, then start crying when his pissant little army is dropping like flies.

 

[Threepwood]

Westerners are so cute when they're overconfident while their walls crumble.

The DPRK is going to slap the RoK's shit. The US doesn't stand a chance, because by the time they bring out a decent military force, all of the Korean Peninsula will be the DPRK, and westernized hipsters will be hanging from lamp posts.

I couldn't imagine how badly an amphibious landing on the peninsula would go.

Quite frankly, nukes are the only option for the old man known as the West.

Are you Russian?

Nuclear warheads are not necissary. The US could easily bombard the beach into dust with the Navy from miles away, undetected by radar, then send in aircraft to slaughter any resistance, then move in the troops to secure a beachead with minimal casualties.

Heck, why would one need nukes? The N Korean peasents aren't the issue, bomb a couple of embassys, kill the leadership, not the civilians, thats what we want to prevent.

 

[Shoveler]

Again, we tried to invade in the 50's and it was a stalemate, and both USSR and China joined the fight with NK. Not saying that would happen again but the worst idea on Earth would be to actually invade NK after pushing them back to the DMZ.

Wrong mostly, initially NATO/US was nearly pushed off of the peninsula by North Korea & Allies. But NATO/US surged back after being reinforced and retook very nearly all of the peninsula. The "stalemate" was basically due to pushing farther would mean going into China, which we were not willing to do. After losing nearly all of it's land mass to it's enemies North Korea begged for a cease fire. Which has been in effect to this day. North Korea was defeated militarily, read about it, they cried foul after getting the beat down. Not to say it wasn't a hard won campaign, but it was won. Even with having help from Russia and China. North Korea exists today only because we placated China and Russia. Not due to North Korea stalwart-ness in any sense.

Shov

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

I would be curious to know Thomas Des nationality as well. The hostility towards American and seeming to sympathize with an anti-Western mentality/communist ideals make it even more interesting.

He also seems to have a very romanticized vision of the lone and broken underdog North Koreans rising up and smashing the capitalist invaders. The reality of which I think he would be very sore to see the truth of if open war actually came. That is not my "America Fuck Yeah!" mentality showing either, I give credit where credit is due. Credit however does not deserve to be handed out to the North Korean military, either he knows next to nothing of NKs military situation or he is a troll.

 

[Brother None]

His nationality has nothing to do with the validity of his arguments. Don't try to dismiss him on the basis of him being from somewhere "anti-Western" (which he's not, let's not even talk about how "Russian" came up as an example here). Dismiss him because he makes no sense, because he rarely does.

Also don't call trolls. Moderator's job.

 

[Threepwood]

His nationality has nothing to do with the validity of his arguments. Don't try to dismiss him on the basis of him being from somewhere "anti-Western" (which he's not, let's not even talk about how "Russian" came up as an example here). Dismiss him because he makes no sense, because he rarely does.

Also don't call trolls. Moderator's job.

Unfair, I suggested Russian due to his alledged knowledge in Russian history, not because I was trieing to discredit him on nationality.

 

[Brother None]

Heh, ok, sorry.
Take a look at the Afhan-USSR war thread. He doesn't know anything about Russian history.

 

[AskWazzup]

I think desertion might be a "slight" problem for NK, if it were to try, to invade SK - a random thought.

 

[Alphadrop]

Heh, ok, sorry.
Take a look at the Afhan-USSR war thread. He doesn't know anything about Russian history.

He is highly qualified in Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness though.

 

[Tagaziel]

But if this does turn into an actual war, North Korea's fucked.

If I recall correctly, the North has a lot of artillery pointed at Seoul, so both Koreas are fucked.