NFL 2010

Brother None said:
I thought we were in the middle of a superstar generation?
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Yeah, says who, NFL.com press release?
I'd say Eli, Rivers, Rothlisberger (they will always be lumped together) are a nice generation about to hit their mid-career peak. And these were all guys who started young. Rothlisberger's rookie season and Eli's NFL education were like textbook examples of how to ease a rookie QB into action without FUBARing your team's chances. Rodgers too - can't blame them for the whole Favre debacle, Rodgers has been everything you could hope for to replace a HOF QB.

I'm looking for that next gen QB - the gen with Flacco and Ryan at top. Followed by all these Quinns, Leinarts, Klausens, Tebows. The attirition rate for young QBs is brutal.

Flacco, he actually figured out the Jets D last night too. He read and felt the blitz really well 2nd half and at least rolled away, took his hits, but got the ball out, maybe not pretty, but at least enough to draw the PI calls.

Rex Ryan is getting predicatable - overload one side and blitz on 3rd all day.
You know, the Ravens have weaknesses, but they know what they're good at. They have an identity and play to it. They scare me. Lesser teams will not shut Rice down like that either. Especially lesser teams without Ty Warren. :cry:
 
I was never the biggest believer in Flacco and Ryan is regressing rather than progressing. The QBs drafted a year after well all badly overdrafted because of the Flacco/Ryan hype. No way Sanchez or Freeman should've gone that high. Still, Stafford and now Bradford might have what it takes. Waaayyy too early to tell.

Good to see Pats cut dead weight in Maroney and still get something back. I've been calling bust on that kid since his rookie year but who knows, maybe the change of scenery will do him some good.

Nice big headliner injury weekend. Jets's being legit was in doubt already so they're probably fucked now. Colts will just keep on trucking, they're used to not having Sanders.

Packers will be interesting. Grant was no superstar nor overly dependable but he was a weapon. Interesting to see if the offense stalls any, but I doubt it.
 
Brother None said:
I was never the biggest believer in Flacco and Ryan is regressing rather than progressing. The QBs drafted a year after well all badly overdrafted because of the Flacco/Ryan hype. No way Sanchez or Freeman should've gone that high. Still, Stafford and now Bradford might have what it takes. Waaayyy too early to tell.
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Yeah, that Flacco and Ryan lead that group is not very impressive. I think what both have going for them is a firmly screwed on skull (evidently this cannot be taken for granted) - and with that the understanding of what it takes to be an NFL QB, and they are pretty cool under pressure. Guys like Sanchez, Leinart et al,they just don't have the maturity, or commitment to being a starting NFL QB.
Matt Ryan's last year in college - he was so far ahead in getting his degree he only took one class - rest of his time was spent working out, studying, playing ball. He got his degree, got his shit ready for the next level. He still has a ways to go, but I think he and Flacco will be good QBs long term (probably Stafford and the Okie kid too). Sanchez came out after his junior year? One year as a starter? He wasn't ready for the expectations at USC and left early.

Brother None said:
Good to see Pats cut dead weight in Maroney and still get something back. I've been calling bust on that kid since his rookie year but who knows, maybe the change of scenery will do him some good.
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Too bad he never panned out, kid showed flashes of potential. I wouldn't call him a total bust, he's not Kijana Carter or anything, but waste of a 1st rounder for sure. Consider that Addai was taken next to him and what he's done (neither one has really set the world on fire though).
Maroney is a decent complementary back, he's a decent all around back, he just never excelled in any area and was hurt a lot.

Another shitty Pats draft pick from '05-'08. Add him to the list.

Still, I think Denver makes out worse for this deal, and Pats predictably stockpile more picks... Maroney's in the league 5 years now, we know who he is.


Brother None said:
Jets's being legit was in doubt already so they're probably fucked now. Colts will just keep on trucking, they're used to not having Sanders.
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Kris Jenkins is kind of sad. I really like watching him play pissed. But you got to figure they were #1 last year even without him, that's pretty impressive. Still, having him back was bigger than any of the free agents (no way Taylor sustains the level he did against the run yesterday).
Sanders too. Guy's a fucking wrecking ball.

Colts now on a 3 game losing streak headed to NYC. Giants are built to give them a tough time I think. Power running, sick pass rush, strong up the middle. Colts are so weak against the run, and looks like their O-line is in bad shape.
Go Big Blue!
 
Yeah, I think him & Merriweather the only one from those years still on the team. That really sucks.
The Patspologist would say "yeah but we got Welker for a 2nd and Moss for a 4th in '07", but it doesn't change the fact that they had some pretty shitty college scouting in that span. Last couple years make up for it - Mayo, Chung, Butler, Spikes, Voellmer, Edelman, Brace, McCourty, Tate, Price, Zoltan Mesko. I tell you those 2 new TEs are pretty fucking nasty too, Hernandez and the Gronkosaurus.

So isn't Cincy's new 1st rd. TE, Greshem, he looked nasty Sunday too. Really nice draft class all around.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Yeah, that Flacco and Ryan lead that group is not very impressive. I think what both have going for them is a firmly screwed on skull (evidently this cannot be taken for granted) - and with that the understanding of what it takes to be an NFL QB, and they are pretty cool under pressure. Guys like Sanchez, Leinart et al,they just don't have the maturity, or commitment to being a starting NFL QB.
Matt Ryan's last year in college - he was so far ahead in getting his degree he only took one class - rest of his time was spent working out, studying, playing ball. He got his degree, got his shit ready for the next level. He still has a ways to go, but I think he and Flacco will be good QBs long term (probably Stafford and the Okie kid too). Sanchez came out after his junior year? One year as a starter? He wasn't ready for the expectations at USC and left early.
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I like Flacco a lot more than Ryan at this point. Ryan regressed in his second year, though his situation got worse, but he now looks even worse than he did last year. That's a really worrying trend, you expect player to get better as they get older, if not in the second year then at least the third year.

Sanchez just looks like a total bust now. He looked shit last year, and sure he played the Ravens D now but he didn't look any good in the preseason either. He may be able to turn it around, but I don't give him much of a shot. It's a shame too, if he doesn't improve he'll be known as the reason Rex Ryan's Jets couldn't win a Super Bowl. Very '97-'01 Bucs-like.

I wonder if the Bucs are going to get something for Lumpkin from the Packers. They held on to him after having to cut someone today.
 
I see Flacco as a better game manager, Ryan as a better slinger. But the sophomore slump is nothing new to NFL QBs.

Sanchez though, when you pay somebody 1st rd. QB money, bust or no bust, you almost have to start them. I question if he's even better than Kellen Clemens.

They were better off with Pennington, at least he was competent and efficient. Favre fucked the whole AFC east over on a whim and you're still seeing the ripple effects.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I see Flacco as a better game manager, Ryan as a better slinger. But the sophomore slump is nothing new to NFL QBs.
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The sophomore slump isn't. The third year slump is what's worrying, though.
 
By year 3, it's no longer a slump, you just suck.


What exactly is accomplished by Reggie Bush forfeiting his Heisman? Wouldn't it make more sense to return the money? Either way, the most oppressive sanctions of all are being shouldered by the current kids at USC who never shared the field with Bush. PC, Bush and the agents skate free, while the current kids at USC whose hands are clean play NCAA sanctioned meaningless ball for the next few years.

Meanwhile OJ still votes on the Heisman Committee - from his jail cell. Nice.
 
Sander said:
Sanchez just looks like a total bust now.
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The problem is he came out of college early, he's only a second-year QB, and the Jets have been going around bragging about how great they're going to be this year. Way too much pressure to put on a kid like that. He's not ready. He could look like garbage this year and still end up being good one day, but because of the foolish behavior of the Jets organization he's going to end up being blamed for their failure.

Sander said:
I wonder if the Bucs are going to get something for Lumpkin from the Packers. They held on to him after having to cut someone today.
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Nope. The Packers signed a RB named Nance from Atlanta's practice squad. He's guaranteed a roster spot for three weeks, so nothing is going to happen trade-wise for at least that long. Or at least it's very unlikely. I suspect Nance is a guy Ted Thompson had on his secret "guys I like" list, just like Grant was.

Besides, Ted is miserly with his draft picks. If he makes a move it will be some crazy trade no one is talking about at the moment. The Marshawn Lynch rumors are absurd. He would never go after a player like Lynch unless he got him at a bargain basement price. I don't see the Packers making any panic trades unless Jackson and Nance both look like garbage.

I see Jackson getting lots of opportunities for the next couple of weeks with John Kuhn getting the short-yardage work. Depending on how that goes, Nance will start getting some carries too. Could end up being a three-headed monster.
 
So the Bucs are 2-0 now.
What?

Also, Sanchez must have multiple personality disorder. He was terrible in the first half, and now he looks great in the second. The Pats secondary looks really bad, too.
 
I don't think Jerry Jones will ever get back to a SB post Jimmy Johnson. Johnson was the only justification that absolved the firing of Landry. So what justifies the firing of the greatest championship football coaches ever?

So the Bucs are 2-0 now.
What?
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Yeah, thanks for accelerating Klausen's debut. I thought we'd get a reprieve from him and Tebow for a while.
Also, Sanchez must have multiple personality disorder. He was terrible in the first half, and now he looks great in the second. The Pats secondary looks really bad, too.
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Yeah but they've been blowing leads on the road all last year, going back to that AFCC game against the Colts, and that other game we don't talk about here. And then they did nothing to improve the pass in the off season. Lost best CB before the season starts.
blah blah blah
It's apparent that the formula is predicated on the offense scoring 30 points a game. Which they couldn't. The D looked like shit, but I'm not going to slag a couple Big East rookie CBs for not being able to cover guys half a foot taller than them.

Random thoughts:
-Singletary is starting to disturb me. I'd rather play for Rex.
-Brees is wearing down on me. I hate when the media overexposes guys a like to pander to the mainstream.
-I'm no NFL or college scout, but am I the only one that doesn't understand why the Eagles are so enamored with Kolb?
-If Mike Vick is the future of your franchise, you're in bad shape. Still, with a (single) game on the line, I'd take Vick over a dozen other NFL starters. Still a poor man's Randall Cunningham.
-best Direct TV commercial?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVKtmRoh6Mo&feature=related[/youtube]
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I don't think Jerry Jones will ever get back to a SB post Jimmy Johnson. Johnson was the only justification that absolved the firing of Landry. So what justifies the firing of the greatest championship football coaches ever?
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I never was around for the firing of Landry, but I'm fairly sure the game had passed him by at that point.

As for Jimmy Johnson - yeah that was a pretty epic screw-up.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Yeah, thanks for accelerating Klausen's debut. I thought we'd get a reprieve from him and Tebow for a while.
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Tebow didn't even get on the field against the Seahawks.

And yeah, Clausen. He didn't look special at all against the Bucs.


Cimmerian Nights said:
Yeah but they've been blowing leads on the road all last year, going back to that AFCC game against the Colts, and that other game we don't talk about here. And then they did nothing to improve the pass in the off season. Lost best CB before the season starts.
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It's apparent that the formula is predicated on the offense scoring 30 points a game. Which they couldn't. The D looked like shit, but I'm not going to slag a couple Big East rookie CBs for not being able to cover guys half a foot taller than them.
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Tough to put up 30 points on the Jets D. You'll do better against weaker defenses, but it's not looking like a good year for you guys.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Random thoughts:
-Singletary is starting to disturb me. I'd rather play for Rex.
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Singletary makes for great quotes, but man is he starting to sound stupid on his meltdown rants. 49ers seem to be in Panic Mode.

Cimmerian Nights said:
-I'm no NFL or college scout, but am I the only one that doesn't understand why the Eagles are so enamored with Kolb?
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Young guy who looked good last year. He looked bad against a solid Packers defense, but that was just half a game, a bit early to give up on him.


Cimmerian Nights said:
-best Direct TV commercial?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVKtmRoh6Mo&feature=related[/youtube]
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I love these commercials but you know they were struggling to come up with a rival for the Saints to make that one. So they just went with a division 'rival'. NFC South doesn't have a big rivalry.
 
Holy shit the 49ers are horrible. Like, 1-15 horrible.

UPDATE: Scratch that, these 2nd quarter 49ers look nothing like the first quarter 49ers.
 
Best Grudenism ever - "Patrick Willis leads the league in 'Holy Smokes' plays." Fucking incisive analysis Chuckie. Does he script these or are these off the cuff?

edit:Looks like the NYPD did what Darius Butler couldn't.
 
pretty sure Gruden's off the cuff. either way, i fuckin' love that guy.

after one of the Jersey Rats got leveled last week he just mumbles "that was a hard knock". fucking lolz.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
pretty sure Gruden's off the cuff. either way, i fuckin' love that guy.

after one of the Jersey Rats got leveled last week he just mumbles "that was a hard knock". fucking lolz.
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I'm starting to like Gruden more as a commentator this year. More in-depth analysis, less 'THIS GUY is the best ever at what he does' and some actual criticism of players and teams.
 
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