NFL 2010

[UniversalWolf]

My notes from this weekend:

1) Vast overreaction to Favre's stat line (overreaction to Favre - surprise!). He threw a couple legitimate picks, sure, but one was a fluke on a ball batted up in the air. The fumble in the end zone was the result of horrible pass blocking. Despite all that, the Vikings almost won that game. The o-line failed them again on Peterson's last run. That team has some serious problems and the schedule gets monster tough after Detroit this week, but Favre isn't the main culprit.

2) Ryan Grant has been generally underrated and isn't easy to replace. On the other hand, Clay Matthews has six sacks in two games, and neither of the QBs he's played against have made it to the next start.

3) To win games this year, the Patriots are going to have to score, score, score.

4) I'm tired of hearing how Dallas is the most talented team in the NFL. No they're not, and they haven't been close to it in years. If they had good chemistry and leadership and played as a unit, they'd be a good team, but they're not so much better than everyone else that they can overcome bad chemistry.

5) The Bills are horrible. Just a lost franchise at this point. I feel bad for Lee Evans.

6) Jason Campbell demoted to 3rd string QB. Wow, that didn't last long.

 

[Brother None]

Oh hey look guys, it's UDub championing Favre. What a shocker.

 

[Sander]

My notes from this weekend:

1) Vast overreaction to Favre's stat line (overreaction to Favre - surprise!). He threw a couple legitimate picks, sure, but one was a fluke on a ball batted up in the air. The fumble in the end zone was the result of horrible pass blocking. Despite all that, the Vikings almost won that game. The o-line failed them again on Peterson's last run. That team has some serious problems and the schedule gets monster tough after Detroit this week, but Favre isn't the main culprit.

There's another way to lose games for your team that doesn't involve throwing picks, and it involves not scoring or moving the ball down the field well. Which would fit Favre's day pretty well if you ignored his interceptions and lost fumble. At best he did nothing to help the Vikings win.

So what about that Vick, huh? Kolb's apparently being given up on after just one half of 2010 play. Impressive.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

So what about that Vick, huh? Kolb's apparently being given up on after just one half of 2010 play. Impressive.

benching Vick when he's this obviously hot would be foolish. let him play like he's been playing until he stops playing like that. Kolb ain't going nowhere.

 

[Brother None]

Neither QB is under contract much longer. Vick is up at the end of the year, so it's not like he has trade value. Then factor in he's still Vick, and 30, and doesn't have much time left in his career, and it's pretty vital to know if Kolb is actually the answer for the future, a question still left unanswered.

It's a bad decision, pure and simple, but it's very win-now. Guess Reid fears for his job. As he should.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

yes, it's certainly very "win now" but i honestly think putting Kolb back in would have been a mistake if they wanted to race for the prize this year.

if the entire franchise was willing to take one on the chin and sit back while Kolb either develops or falters...well, that's something different altogether. 'sides, if Vick plays well at all this year he'll have plenty value in places like Buffalo or Oakland, etc.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I don't know, going to the pen is like the NFL's equivalent of red-shirting. Those years don't count against his NFL age.

 

[Brother None]

I don't know, going to the pen is like the NFL's equivalent of red-shirting. Those years don't count against his NFL age.

Red-shirting or not, age is still age, and Vick has a very little leeway for physical decline as QBs go.

But while he certainly does provide an upgrade for plenty of teams in the league next year, that is of no interest to the Iggles, they don't gain anything from it but a comp pick.

 

[UniversalWolf]

Oh hey look guys, it's UDub championing Favre. What a shocker.

My championing is backed up by solid evidence.

As for Vick, I don't see how the Eagles could not let him start. He's earned it. Maybe they plan on sticking with Vick for the next two or three seasons until they find a replacement QB who isn't Kolb. Don't discount that possibility. If Vick has a great season, why not resign him?

Red-shirting or not, age is still age, and Vick has a very little leeway for physical decline as QBs go.

I'm not sure that's a safe assumption. True, he's going to decline quickly when he hits the wall because his success is reliant on his incredible quickness and speed, but when that happens...you can never tell. It varies widely from player to player. Missing a couple seasons while he was in the klink could actually end up prolonging his career because he wasn't getting beaten to a pulp every weekend (that we know of).

 

[Brother None]

My championing is backed up by solid evidence.

Man I'd love some of whatever you're snorting. All I see is a QB who has delivered 3 shitty to terrible seasons in the past 5 years, this season excluded. With this season going as it is, we're at 4 out of 6. Yet he's untouchable. Magic? Age can't touch him? Please, keep it coming, nothing like protecting the greatest Minessota Viking of all time, whooo.

Wonder if Chilly could ever manage to bench him.

I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

What assumption? I didn't say anything about when I expect his decline, just that he's old and has less leeway.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Favre is not above reproach, he definitely deserves shit for skipping camp and showing up flat and rusty. But those two years you're failing to mention he fell one OT period away from the SB. He had an MVP-worthy year last year. He's relevant.

I'd also say he had a great statistical year last year and that INT in the end-zone Sun was a circus catch that touched 3 or 4 guys before it was caught. That play is going on the blooper reels. On paper it's his INT, but I wouldn't hang it on him.

I know it's en vogue to Favre bash, but I don't think you need to lay the anti-Favre case out for U-dub, a Packers fan of his vintage is all too familiar with the lows that Favre is capable of.

Missing a couple seasons while he was in the klink could actually end up prolonging his career because he wasn't getting beaten to a pulp every weekend (that we know of).

It's the Ricky Williams effect (albeit he went into self-imposed exile). Every time I see Ricky I can't help but think that the only reason he's still playing today is because he spent a couple years smoking ganja in Nepal instead of having his knees chopped at by 300lb. behemoths.

 

[Brother None]

He's relevant.

He is?

He doesn't look it.

I know it's en vogue to Favre bash,

I don't care about what's in vogue. Favre isn't worth anyone's time to defend as a person, as UDub well knows. As a player? Well...
I dismissed him going into last year but hey, it's not the first time an old QB gets a last miracle season slotted into a perfect team/system/situation combo. But he looked like shit in the pre-season and looks like shit now. Will he knock of the rust and lead the Vikes to the promised lands? It's possible. It's also possible a lot of people forgot he's still a human being and shit catches up to all of us eventually.

I don't care much either way, other than watching Vikes fans eat crow. But if I were a Pack fan I certainly wouldn't be up in defending him.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I'm dispassionate about his character until it impinges on the on-the-field product. Like when he laid down for Strahan (funny how that never shows up in the Favre restrospectacular video clip montages on ESPN). I'll cut him to ribbons for that, but the tabloid-type drama I don't follow. I don't really care about his character or his personal life or foibles.

That's what's great about football - helmets (college is even better, some teams don't even put names on jerseys). We don't need to see your face or hear your mouth during the game. There's no room for personal expression outside of performing on the field within the confines of the game. All the extraneous off-the-filed stuff after the game, it's all pro-wrestling, tabloid type sludge to me. I even find it distasteful that I have to sift through Florio's sludge to dig out a nugget of a scoop.

I'll slag him all day for what he does on the field, anything else is superfluous to me.
I'll take it a step farther. I don't give a shit about his dead father either. Yeah, it's sad to lose your father, but I don't know this guy personally, why should I be personally affected, and why do I have to have those ESPN fairy tales shoved down my throat? How many more times do I need to hear that story? I watched it. I don't need to relive it over and over again.

it's not the first time an old QB gets a last miracle season slotted into a perfect team/system/situation combo.

Nor is it the first time someone's led that team to the Conf. Champ. game in his first year like that. The only one joining Favre there is Joe Montana to my knowledge. Pretty select company.



Nice Francesa rant.

I haven't seen Mike turn up the anti-Jets agitprop this bad in a while.

 

[Brother None]

Nor is it the first time someone's led that team to the Conf. Champ. game in his first year like that. The only one joining Favre there is Joe Montana to my knowledge. Pretty select company.

Very impressive.

Still spent most his time as a 35+ old QB sucking dick. But let's ignore the negatives for the positives. The bad seasons don't count against his HoF career, rite?

Nice Francesa rant.

I haven't seen Mike turn up the anti-Jets agitprop this bad in a while.

Pay-but-don't-play is a valid point, but isn't exactly the kind of rumormongering personal matters interfering with football you were just raging against?

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Only insofar as it impinges on his eligibility to continue to play. I'm not really interested in what kind of a person Braylon Edwards is, or his ethics. He fucking burned my team's secondary bad last week, that's the only reason why he's relevant to me. I'm not interested in his dirty laundry. I watch football to see football, not the peripheral soap opera drama.

 

[Brother None]

Dude a grandma with two broken hips could burn the Pats secondary.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Well, the good news is they play Buffalo this week, so chances are pretty good the QB won't be able to connect with grandma anyway.

 

[Sander]

Nor is it the first time someone's led that team to the Conf. Champ. game in his first year like that. The only one joining Favre there is Joe Montana to my knowledge. Pretty select company.

So I guess Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco are in the same group, right?

What Favre did last year was very impressive. What he did in '08 or what he's done so far, not impressive at all.

Anyway, Tanard Jackson, the Bucs starting FS, got suspended indefinitely for violating the drug policy of the NFL. He was suspended for four games last year, and he got caught before that at some point too. And this isn't steroids: it's recreational drug use. Idiot.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

it's not the first time an old QB gets a last miracle season slotted into a perfect team/system/situation combo.

Not to diminish what Flacco or Sanchez accomplished, but we're talking traded vets in year 1.
You could throw Roethlisberger's rookie year in with the rookies too where they went 15-1 and lost the AFCC game at home in brutal fashion to some underdogs. That game was a thing of beauty.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/124402/game-of-the-week-2004-patriots--steelers-afc-champ
Oh fuck yeah Hulu. Watch the Steelers fans pour out at the end.

Who knew the Patriots were once capable of smashmouthing the whole league. Now they're a bunch of soft, Colt wannabe faggots.

Fucking A I miss Corey Dillon.

And indoor Championship games should be outlawed. Faggotry I say.

 

[Brother None]

Hulu isn't available outside the US. You dick!

Pats sure seem to have abandoned their identity. I don't know if they were ever a pure smashmouth team but yeah, Corey was a truck.