NFL 2010

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TwinkieGorilla, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Try an US internet proxy maybe?

    Yeah, I don't know if the Pats consciously abandoned it to adapt to the rules changes or if "genius" doesn't extend to personnel.
    I personally love the old Parcells/Belichik approach circa the Giants and early 90s Pats of smashmouth D, pounding ground game and at best "efficient" passing attack.

    It turns my stomach to see the Jets assume that ID and then beat the Pats who've seemingly been trying to emulate the team they dominated with that same formula (Colts '01-'06).

    edit:
    Great article just today on how soft the Pats have become. Much like myself, they're not faulting the D, but Brady.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=lundblad_jeremy&id=5606325
    These numbers are pretty damning over the last couple years. The icing on the cake is the Manning comparison.
     
  2. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    How could you blame Brady for that? It seems lazy as Brady has been playing at a high level except against the Jets. Blaming the defense makes a lot more sense, as that's very clearly the weakest link on the team. That late game passer rating is probably just fluky because that's a sample of what, 2 maybe 3 games?
     
  3. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    I'd blame that '06 AFCC game and '07 SB on the D, because Brady pretty much walked off the field having scored, with the lead. Call it the Boomer Esiason SB defense "Hey, when I walked off the field we were winning, I didn't give up the gamewinner."

    The sample size is last year + 2 games so far this year. Did you watch that Indy game, Denver, Miami, Jets last year? The Jets this year. Very winnable games if the offense could do anything in the 4th. a 44QB rating isn't going to cut it. From 1st to 34th in a league of 32 teams. That of course means the whole league plus 2 backups outplayed Brady situationaly.

    You look at those numbers too, who were his receivers back then - Troy Brown, Deion Branch and David Patten - scrubs. He's likely playing with 2 HOFers now.

    Yet. How many catches did Welker or the new TEs have in the 2nd half of the Jets game?

    Brady is making shitty reads and shitty throws and he forces it to Moss way too much instead of taking the underneath shit like he used to.
     
  4. Guiltyofbeingtrite

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    Oct 13, 2008
    I love this cartoon:

     
  5. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    That's called being a hater. It clouds your reason concerning him. There are lots of Favre haters, and he's earned it, sure. But he wasn't horrible in the Miami game - which is not to say he was good, but he's not the reason the Vikings lost - contrary to his 3-INT, 1 fumble in the end zone stat line. Shiancoe, Peterson, and maybe Hutchinson are the only guys on that offense pulling their weight so far. Actually Shiancoe was partly responsible for letting the pass rush get to Favre in the end zone. He and Loadholt the RT didn't do a good job blocking on that play.

    I view it as injecting some sanity into the Favre discussion. It's a tough job.

    That's the crux of what I'm saying. People are jumping on him for 3 INT, 1 fumble game, but that one INT - on the goal line, no less - was a fluke that was out of his control. In fact he made a very good pass to Harvin. The fumble was also out of his control, and he did nothing wrong on that play. It could easily have been a two INT game and Minnesota would've won. He would still be responsible for two bad picks, but people wouldn't be calling for his head.

    The real fun will start if the Vikings lose to Detroit this weekend. Favre has never lost a home game against Detroit ever in his career.

    I agree. Favre is to the U.S. sports media what Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton are to the Hollywood paparazzi.

    Which brings me to the Moss contract rant...

    That rant fit exactly with what I've always thought about him. He's not malicious, but he's prone to doing and saying really dumb things sometimes. He just doesn't seem to think before he acts.

    I expect NE to light up the Bills big time this weekend. The bigger question is whether or not Fitzpatrick and the Bills will light up NE.

    Is it a second-offense or third-offense? Third-offense means a one-year suspension if I remember correctly. He can spend the season having bi-weekly Purple Drank mixers with Johnny Jolly.

    EDIT: FWIW, I'm not the only one defending Favre:

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_16158498
     
  6. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Yes yes, not the point. The fact that other people on that offense are playing offense only serves to obscure the fact that he's playing poorly. Which he is.

    It has to be a third offense because of the length of the suspension, but the first offense was never publicized.

    You realise there are two ways to look at that reasoning? The 'he's still just as good' reasoning, and the 'He was as bad last year if it wasn't for some luck and Sidney Rice'.
     
  7. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    That's pretty stunning considering how far that goes back, and that it carries back to the Barry era.
    I never realized before, just how ... pathetic Randy Moss can be. We haven't really seen the 'bad boy' since he came here. The press, fans and org all love and praise him. Which is a rare thing in NE sports scene.
    I appreciate he wants a new contract and he wants it here, and that was his awkward way of expressing it I guess. He's got an awfully fragile psyche. I don't even think he was whining, it was just kind of a resigned sadness - weird, can't picture that from a guy who may go down as one of the best at his position.
    I'm not taking anything for granted with the Patriots anymore.
    15 1/2 point spread? Vegas is nuts.

    Holy shit, frost warnings already? and I thought New England was brutal.
     
  8. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Detroit hasn't won in Green Bay for something like 18 years. Sanders was definitely still on the team the last time it happened. Hopefully the Packers will beat the Bears tomorrow, because GB is at home against Detroit the next week.

    I don't think he has bad intentions. He just does really dumb things sometimes. He's not the brightest bulb in the pack.

    Albert Haynesworth, on the other hand...

    Last summer we had frost in the middle of July, but that was unusual. This time of year frost is pretty ho-hum. It's not too early to have a cold-weather night game at Lambeau or wake up to a thin layer of ice on water outside.

    The most impressive team so far this season: Pittsburgh.
     
  9. TwinkieGorilla

    TwinkieGorilla This ghoul has seen it all

    Oct 19, 2007
    good ol' rivalry game tonight. i'm already anxious. here's a video from the golden days of hard-nosed football with the NFL's oldest rivalry:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFk_TdRu_0[/youtube]

    this whole video is just fucking golden.
     
  10. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Tonight should be good.

    In other news, Bucs got beat down hard by the Steelers. Steelers look really strong, though Batch wasn't playing nearly as well as his statline suggests - Bucs defense was handing stuff to him on a silver platter.

    But hey, still tied for first in the NFC South.
     
  11. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    And we're tied for the NFC West!

    Who gives a shit? Shitty division is shitty.

    Fun game tho.

    So Trent Edwards has been releases. Huh?

    EDIT:

    Awww shit, Blanda died

    :(

     
  12. TwinkieGorilla

    TwinkieGorilla This ghoul has seen it all

    Oct 19, 2007
    that was, in all seriousness, the worst game i've ever watched the Packers play. a close game, a tough game, a good game...that's all well and good.

    but when your team loses because of 18 penalties, shitty special teams and bad coaching? i'm honestly...for the first time ever...not looking forward to another game.
     
  13. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Didn't you say the same thing after the Bucs loss last year?
     
  14. TwinkieGorilla

    TwinkieGorilla This ghoul has seen it all

    Oct 19, 2007
    who knows. that game was a meltdown for sure, but this? 18 penalties? what the fuck is that? what team am i fucking watching here? i don't remember ever seeing anything like that in my life.
     
  15. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    So, you think Leon Washington's femur is going to be OK or what?

    Least : Giants. Even when the Giants aren't good they're supposed to play smart, physical, disciplined football.
    Coughlin's old-school approach won't last much longer in NYC with a sub .500 showing. I'm not a fan of the Titans chippy tactics, but you can't fall into the trap of retaliating like G-men did.
    Fucking team hasn't bounced back from Plaxico. Took his buddy Pierce down with him too.

    And Eli with the off-hand shovel pass, Brees too. Truly Favrian.

    I'm all for senseless violence and aggression, and I was hoping for more '85 Bears D mayhem in that vid (I loved that 46 front of Perry, Dent, Mongo McMichaels, Dan Hampton, Singletary, Rivera etc.
    BUT that hit on McMahon at the end is absolutely criminal.
    And, correct me if I'm wrong, because I was a kid back then. But that hit was so stupid, and so late, and so malicious that it was basically the birth of "special faggy rules to protect the QBs" era of the NFL. Everyone was pretty outraged that a starting QB could have their season ended in such a senseless and unnecessarily stupid way.
    80s was kind of the end of the head hunting era in the NFL and NHL. Buddy Ryan being the only longtime adherent.
     
  16. TwinkieGorilla

    TwinkieGorilla This ghoul has seen it all

    Oct 19, 2007
    yeah, but come on. it was fucking Jim Mcmahon. that guys parents couldn't have even loved him.
     
  17. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    He was and remains a Class-A douchebag to this very day. Overrated?
    But the backlash against that ushered in a whole new era of coddling and separate rules for QBs which, I think even then as a kid, I knew was kind of a knee-jerk overcompensation to assuage people who got caught up in the whole '85 Bears hoopla (i.e. fans like my mother).

    Everybody loved Jimmy Mac, but those were only the casual bandwagon fans that got wrapped in in the '85 Bears and only knew Mac superficially as "oh that loveable, quirky QB with the wacky headbands and mullet". So there was major outrage that someone went headhunting on America's QB. If that hit happened to Neil Lomax nobody would even know.

    edit:
    Didn't McMahon actually get a SB ring with the Packers? Against the Patriots no less.
    Fuckers. Why not sign the Fridge and let him score on us a few times too, pricks?
     
  18. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Hey look guys Cimms is talking about mollycoddling rules again

    These schticks are getting old
     
  19. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Don't ever get me started on what they've done to hockey.

    That kind of hit has no place in sports though.
    Something like Bernard Pollard on Brady - Pollard was playing football and trying to get to the QB and make a play. That hit on McMahon - it's not even football, it's assault.

    I'm defending QBs here, I'm just not a fan of the typical American knee-jerk response of overcompensating whenever the mainstream fixates their outrage on something for all the wrong reasons.
     
  20. TwinkieGorilla

    TwinkieGorilla This ghoul has seen it all

    Oct 19, 2007
    ehehe. but in a good way, amirite?