NMA's General Consensus Debates

[Crni Vuk]

Real original using a Big Lebowski quote that makes no sense. I'm in my element, you're now trying to insult me because what you said made no sense at all.

Where did I insult you? Please point me to that part. If I am not as eloquent like some others, than oh sorry for hurting your feelings. On the other side you are complaing (I guess?) about the hostility around here. Show us those posts you feel are hostile and trollish and simply get it to the moderators for christs sake.

At the moment that's how it feels to me all this topic does is complaining about the complainers ...

 

[Marionettetc]

Dunno why you're still responding to these funboys, they both got the ignore weeks ago Crni Vuk

 

[Battlecross]

Real original using a Big Lebowski quote that makes no sense. I'm in my element, you're now trying to insult me because what you said made no sense at all.

Where did I insult you? Please point me to that part. If I am not as eloquent like some others, than oh sorry for hurting your feelings. On the other side you are complaing (I guess?) about the hostility around here. Show us those posts you feel are hostile and trollish and simply get it to the moderators for christs sake.

At the moment that's how it feels to me all this topic does is complaining about the complainers ...

I actually didn't complain about the hostility, I love it because I can always take it head on. I instead told you that your point that it wasn't there was false. Do you not understand the difference big boy?

Are you joking? I've told you multiple times about the posts in this very thread. Please do pay attention.

 

[Walpknut]

Didn't you complain about the hostility in the Leather jacket thread? You went on about it for a long time.

 

[Battlecross]

Didn't you complain about the hostility in the Leather jacket thread? You went on about it for a long time.

Incorrect, I called you obnoxious and abrasive which you are. You would argue the sky wasn't blue if you wanted to, you make that quite clear.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Real original using a Big Lebowski quote that makes no sense. I'm in my element, you're now trying to insult me because what you said made no sense at all.

Where did I insult you? Please point me to that part. If I am not as eloquent like some others, than oh sorry for hurting your feelings. On the other side you are complaing (I guess?) about the hostility around here. Show us those posts you feel are hostile and trollish and simply get it to the moderators for christs sake.

At the moment that's how it feels to me all this topic does is complaining about the complainers ...

I actually didn't complain about the hostility, I love it because I can always take it head on. I instead told you that your point that it wasn't there was false. Do you not understand the difference big boy?

Are you joking? I've told you multiple times about the posts in this very thread. Please do pay attention.

I was talking about the topic in general. The vibes I get from it.

What is actually your problem with the community? I mean really now.

 

[Battlecross]

Real original using a Big Lebowski quote that makes no sense. I'm in my element, you're now trying to insult me because what you said made no sense at all.

Where did I insult you? Please point me to that part. If I am not as eloquent like some others, than oh sorry for hurting your feelings. On the other side you are complaing (I guess?) about the hostility around here. Show us those posts you feel are hostile and trollish and simply get it to the moderators for christs sake.

At the moment that's how it feels to me all this topic does is complaining about the complainers ...

I actually didn't complain about the hostility, I love it because I can always take it head on. I instead told you that your point that it wasn't there was false. Do you not understand the difference big boy?

Are you joking? I've told you multiple times about the posts in this very thread. Please do pay attention.

I was talking about the topic in general. The vibes I get from it.

What is actually your problem with the community? I mean really now.

I have no problem with the community, I have a problem with obnoxious people and people who are so biased it's insane that someone can exist in that state of mind. So far that's only about 5 people here. You started smack talking out of nowhere when I pointed something out, so what's your problem with me?

 

[Walpknut]

People calling you out on your arguments being faulty and based on poor understandment of the game are not biased, you jsut tke being wrong rather poorly.

 

[Battlecross]

People calling you out on your arguments being faulty and based on poor understandment of the game are not biased, you jsut tke being wrong rather poorly.

Except that I'm not wrong, I take arguing from others without basis poorly even in the face of overwhelming evidence. You still didn't understand the issue I brought up with House's laser (missile?) defense system vs. the jackets. You went full insanity over it and seemed to misunderstand my point entirely. You then twisted my words about amnesia, and ignored the fact that the major nuclear destruction of an area is an event not brought up in the main game, nor is the Courier's involvement in the Divide despite it being so major.

That's bad writing, along with Ulysses's psuedo-philosophical rambling that tried to hard and fell flat.

 

[Walpknut]

Except all your arguments have been dependant entirely on faulty premises and incorrect assertions. You also focused on my line about Jackets way too much and got really pissed about it even when I said that it was a trivial detail but still something to think about, you claimed that the Courier has amnesia and you seem to actually have ignored mentions in the game about the Divide that are actually made by multiple NPCs even in the previous DLCs and your misunderstandment of the Courier's role.

that you can't pay attention to the game and you don't even bother fact checking doesn't make it bad writting, it makes your arguments poorly thought out. No bias there.

 

[Battlecross]

Except all your arguments have been dependant entirely on faulty premises and incorrect assertions. You also focused on my line about Jackets way too much and got really pissed about it even when I said that it was a trivial detail but still something to think about, you claimed that the Courier has amnesia and you seem to actually have ignored mentions in the game about the Divide that are actually made by multiple NPCs even in the previous DLCs and your misunderstandment of the Courier's role.

that you can't pay attention to the game and you don't even bother fact checking doesn't make it bad writting, it makes your arguments poorly thought out. No bias there.

I didn't claim the Courier has amnesia for the 5th time guy, you also can't read apparently. I explained to you that it was my belief that it was the only thing that made the Courier's complete lack of awareness of the major events make sense. I did fact check, you did not. You can keep lying all you want though.

 

[Walpknut]

Then your theory is based on not paying attention to the game because there is actually dialogue refering to the Divide and Ulysses makes a point of talking about how minor but significant his/her actions where.

 

[Battlecross]

Then your theory is based on not paying attention to the game because there is actually dialogue refering to the Divide and Ulysses makes a point of talking about how minor but significant his/her actions where.

Again, I explained that the major events of the Divide are not discussed in the game. Two mentions of storms do not equal mentioning the nuclear apocalypse and war between the NCR and Legion there. Furthermore, the Courier never mentions it. That's my issue. Do you not see an issue with that? Why write the Courier into such a major event and then go "Oh he forgot" as Ulysses says? It's bad writing. That's it. Where does Ulysses say it's minor when he repeatedly states the importance of the Courier in the settlement there?

 

[Walpknut]

The major events of the Divide are actually alluded contantly in the Vanila game (The legion managing to reorganzie after the Dam thansk to the destruction of the Divide shortly after the first Battle of Hoover Dam) and the other DLCs allude to the Divide constantly. The Courier never mentions the Divide, uhmm why would he? That shit happened 5 years before the beginning of the game and it had very little to do with him as far as he knows, he delivers packages, what context is there for him to drop name the Divide in the base game? He also didn't forget, he just never had any personal connection to it. Again you misundertood a lot of writting and ignore a whole other bunch. So it's not bad writting, you just need to pay more attention.

In any case this is not the Thread to discuss this, and you have basically only lurked about the FO3 related topics complainning about bias when all yo uare doing is making rather factualy faulty assesments, yo uare wlecomed to liked FO3 and partake in other discussions, just don't get mad when you are argued against, that's kind of what this forum is about....

 

[naossano]

Would you mind continuing the divide debate on another thread ?

 

[Battlecross]

The major events of the Divide are actually alluded contantly in the Vanila game (The legion managing to reorganzie after the Dam thansk to the destruction of the Divide shortly after the first Battle of Hoover Dam) and the other DLCs allude to the Divide constantly. The Courier never mentions the Divide, uhmm why would he? That shit happened 5 years before the beginning of the game and it had very little to do with him as far as he knows, he delivers packages, what context is there for him to drop name the Divide in the base game? He also didn't forget, he just never had any personal connection to it. Again you misundertood a lot of writting and ignore a whole other bunch. So it's not bad writting, you just need to pay more attention.

In any case this is not the Thread to discuss this, and you have basically only lurked about the FO3 related topics complainning about bias when all yo uare doing is making rather factualy faulty assesments, yo uare wlecomed to liked FO3 and partake in other discussions, just don't get mad when you are argued against, that's kind of what this forum is about....

Who's mad about being "argued against"? I'm pointing out how obnoxious your bias and twisting of words is and your failure to admit you're incorrect no matter what. For example your point about the Legion being able to rebuild is from Honest Hearts and Graham, not the base game.

I like how your explanation of the Courier's lack of memory of the Divide is "why would he?" which highlights the bias I speak of. Anyone else would acknowledge it as a fairly significant plot hole. Ulysses's makes his connection to the divide clear and fairly significant, but you claim it isn't because of...something. Bias. Like I said.

It's very simple to see the issue with claiming big events happened to the PC that the PC "simply forgets" because the writers didn't have the whole thing planned out beforehand. They should've just made him a deliverer of the package to a place he had no connection to, but they instead made a connection that makes it puzzling why it is a non-event in his memory.

 

[The Doctor]

I rather like that they only give vague hints about the war between Legion and NCR

Let the fans make their own theories based on the information given

Keeping the Courier's backstory open for possibilities


'Course you'll always get people who want a solid concise clear story because they lack the imagination to fill in the blanks for themselves

 

[Battlecross]

I rather like that they only give vague hints about the war between Legion and NCR

Let the fans make their own theories based on the information given

Keeping the Courier's backstory open for possibilities


'Course you'll always get people who want a solid concise clear story because they lack the imagination to fill in the blanks for themselves

Yeah I'm all for that too, but it would be like saying the Lone Wanderer had been to Point Lookout many times and made friends there and then suddenly never mentioned it/heard about it until the DLC dropped.

 

[Walpknut]

Battlecross you keep defaulting to using the word bias and not even acknowledging your arguments are based on faulty premises, you call me bullheaded but you are the one who just keeps getting more and more agressive during dicussions and ignore when you are just wrong about the information you think you are using.

Also no Fallout Talk here

 

[SnapSlav]

The funniest thing I notice about Bethesda fans these days is that many of them seem literally incapable of playing the original Fallouts. Those games are simply too difficult for them to figure out. And I'm not talking about the challenge of playing the game (although that's often a problem too), I'm talking about the mechanics, interface, and the general way things work.

To be fair, we're talking about AGE GROUPS, here. For kids who grew up on games from the last 10-15 years, shift that actually demands of you your patience and cunning is a very alien concept to them. Fans of the originals are, simply, older on average than fans of the new *cough* stuff.

I am not sure if it is what you actually meant, but i am not sure you actually need to be young/old to like Fo2 or Fo3.

I meant that, completely unintentionally, age has a direct impact on which games you play(ed). If you grew up in the 80s, chances are you played games in the 80s. If you grew up in the 90s, chances are you played games in the 90s. So on and so on. It doesn't mean someone who grew up in the 90s, like me, can't possibly have played Pong, because I did. It just means that chances are less likely you were to engage in something "before your time". The originals and the Bethesda games are a decade separated from one another, so age does make a difference in the fanbases. The fans of the originals are predominantly older than the fans of the new games PRECISELY because of their age. Not because they're 18 they therefore play this title and not that title, but because of the time period itself.